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Libra
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join:2003-08-06
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·Verizon FiOS
reply to birdfeedr

Re: Will Verizon shut down copper phone accounts?

said by birdfeedr:

We've improved their battery backup for longer-term peace of mind, so now they have the best of both worlds. An external battery and cable to plug into the Auxiliary power jack on the BBU works for them.

We're not technically inclined. Would we be able to do what you describe or would Verizon do it for us?

I don't understand what regulated POTS is over fiber wires. Is that what my digital phone line is?

My main reason for keeping the copper right now is it's reliability in case of an emergency. (But I do like the difference in price if we switch.)

Thank you for your reply.

Sincerely, Libra


More Fiber
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West Chester, PA
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said by Libra:

Would we be able to do what you describe or would Verizon do it for us?

No, VZ won't provide you with an auxiliary battery. Use of the aux battery jack on the BBU is unsupported.

birdfeedr See Profile put up a long post a couple months ago after researching the aux battery jack very thoroughly. Read his post and decide if that's something you want to tackle.
said by Libra:

I don't understand what regulated POTS is over fiber wires.

Regulated POTS is Freedom Essentials delivered over fiber.
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There are 10 kinds of people in the world; those who understand binary and those who don't.


PoloDude
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Northport, NY
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And POTS =
Plain Old Telephone Service


birdfeedr
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Warwick, RI
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reply to Libra
said by Libra:

said by birdfeedr:

We've improved their battery backup for longer-term peace of mind, so now they have the best of both worlds. An external battery and cable to plug into the Auxiliary power jack on the BBU works for them.

We're not technically inclined. Would we be able to do what you describe or would Verizon do it for us?

Maybe not, but you've given me an idea or two. Stay tuned.
said by Libra:

I don't understand what regulated POTS is over fiber wires.

POTS is an acronym for Plain Old Telephone Service.

Freedom Essentials is one package that includes local and long distance, but that one and the Lifeline service and all of the legacy phone services (and there are quite a few different plans) are all regulated by state and federal government. These services used to be delivered over copper wires. VZ has to get permission to raise rates on regulated services, and they are taxed differently. There are other regulated conditions they need to meet including time to repair.

I'm not sure about other states, but Verizon Communications (or similar) provides the regulated service and Verizon Online provides the data service. Billing services from the two companies can get very complex and is part of the reason VZ is working very hard to get everyone who has a Verizon Online service off of Verizon Communications services. They are not renewing Freedom Essentials (regulated), and are forcing bundle renewals over to Digital Voice (unregulated). That's the end result of only offering Digital Voice.

I do not believe they can force an existing subscriber on a pre-Freedom Essentials plan off of it. An example is my two friends, and the residential measured service we're still on at the home/office I referred to earlier.

But if I just moved into town from Nebraska, and called up to get only telephone service, I think I'd have to pull out all the stops to get a regulated telephone plan. I'm sure I would be offered only Digital Voice, unless I were to specifically request a lifeline or measured service tariff. There are still legacy copper wires available on my street, and I'm sure Verizon Communications would deliver measured service to me on copper.

Whether it's delivered over copper or fiber is distinct from whether it is regulated or not.

Hope this explanation helps.

said by My April Bill :

Service Providers
Verizon RI provides regional, local calling and related features, other voice services, and FiOS TV service, unless otherwise indicated. Verizon Long Distance provides long distance calling and other services identified by "VLD" in the applicable billed line item. Verizon Online provides Internet service, HMC service and FiOS TV equipment.

I don't know yet what my new bill will show, I've been switched to Digital Voice. TV will still be regulated and will still be provided by Verizon RI.

Libra
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Thank you for explaining the difference between copper POTS and digital voice. I imagine that since the digital voice is unregulated it may not remain in our favor in the future. I read the information you wrote about using the auxiliary bbu. It's quite interesting but the initial warnings stopped me, not to mention I wouldn't be capable of doing that.

I'll keep the copper for now. I'm glad Verizon can't force a switch.

Sincerely, Libra


birdfeedr
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Warwick, RI
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said by Libra:

I read the information you wrote about using the auxiliary bbu. It's quite interesting but the initial warnings stopped me, not to mention I wouldn't be capable of doing that.

I wrote those warnings as a caution to non-technical readers. They were included in response to public as well as private comments that I was publishing instructions to modify VZ's equipment. Done improperly, it could result in equipment damage.

I am testing a fairly easy non-technical solution, which I will publish when complete.

[edit to add]It's obvious that an additional BBU would improve run time, but I'm thinking of a battery supplement or replacement.

Libra
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I will be interested in seeing your non-technical solution when you complete it. Thank you.

Here's a copy of the Notice Verizon put on my Verizon page:

"FiOS is Here!

We are in the process of converting your entire service area to our state-of-the-art fiber-optic network and we need your help!

Products you may currently subscribe to such as High Speed Internet (DSL) or voice services over our copper phone lines will no longer be available in your area once this transition is complete. In order to transfer you to our fiber network, we need to schedule an appointment to install new equipment at your location. Scheduling this appointment immediately will ensure you a worry-free experience with no service interruptions. Act now to avoid any disruption of your service by simply selecting an option below.

As a result of upgrading to fiber, we will be able to offer you a complete bundle of services to address all your communications and entertainment needs. The upgrade allows you to keep the voice service you have today and also gives you the option to subscribe to our amazing FiOS TV and FiOS Internet services.

Reminder: The move to fiber optics will not change your current Verizon services or rates and you will not be charged for the installation or for the equipment required for the fiber upgrade
NOTE: If you wish to simply disconnect your existing service, please contact your local business office."

This sounds a bit ominous to me. But I will probably wait it out.

Sincerely, Libra


birdfeedr
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said by Libra:

I will be interested in seeing your non-technical solution when you complete it. Thank you.

One really non-technical solution is to run a BBU in front of the FiOS BBU. But this is not efficient.

My solution will be an adapter that will allow you to connect to an external battery to provide power to the ONT during an extended power outage.

I am testing operation with a 35AH battery. I will provide part numbers and step-by-step instructions.

My question for you is how long an extended power outage do you want to plan for? Longest I've ever seen here in 30 years is 4 days once, 2.5 days once, and 1 day three times, although I know others nearby have seen up to 7 days of outage. Very rare that a power outage lasts more than a few hours.

Others might say that the copper lines put the burden for power backup on the telco, but I say the difference in service price will pay for the added cost of backup power in your home.

This is really off-topic, so when ready, I will make a new topic.


birdfeedr
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reply to Libra
Staying on-topic:

The letter says that VZ will *eventually* migrate everyone off of copper. While they're thinking years, they want you to think months.

If you make the transition soon, they will be able to offer you a wider variety of services including TV and Internet. If you migrate you can retain your existing voice phone service with no change in rate.

What they're not saying clearly is that DSL is a copper service, not available on fiber. You will be migrated from DSL to FiOS internet, and if you choose to retain a similar speed/price package, they will offer you their 3/1 package which will be comparable performance to DSL, but I'm certain it will be a higher monthly price, with pressure and incentive to go faster. Once you've selected a speed which is part of a bundle (15/5 is current bundle minimum), you'll never be able to go backwards to slow and cheaper.

If you really want to keep your copper service, wait until they tell you they're shutting it off. Then migrate. But you already know that a second DV line will be cheaper than holding on to your existing copper line.

Weigh the pros and cons.

Light Guy

join:2006-05-12
Somerville, NJ
reply to birdfeedr
Unplugging the battery leads before a major Storm, and if power is lost, connecting the battery for outgoing calls only, would give you 6-8 hours of outgoing service, this could last you through an extended outage.
It would be nice if there was a setting on the BBU to NOT activate the BBU during an outage unless manually switched on.
Furthermore being able to remotely wire that switch using a spare pair of phone wiring would give one the ability to control the battery usage from the phone location.
Obviously not a great solution for Lifeline, but if such a switch existed it would extend outgoing service enough to give most people confidence during an extended outage.


birdfeedr
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Warwick, RI
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said by Light Guy:

Unplugging the battery leads before a major Storm, and if power is lost, connecting the battery for outgoing calls only, would give you 6-8 hours of outgoing service, this could last you through an extended outage.

While it would work as you describe, one flaw is ONT bootup time, which I've never tried to measure. And the possibility of accelerated ONT failure with repeated bootup cycles.

Extended outgoing service is a little different than confidence during emergency use.

But I like your idea.

Libra
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reply to birdfeedr
I apologize for the delay. The longest blackout we ever experienced lasted 24 hours, so that's what I would like to plan for.

Meanwhile Hurricane Sandy is suppose to be heading up the east coast and I hope it won't be as bad as they are predicting.

Thank you for looking into this.

Sincerely, Libra