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pflog
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Re: [NCAA-F] Penn State molester Sandusky gets 30-60 yrs in pris

More nonsense. People simply identify with the direct impact TO THEM more than the victims, and at the time many of said interviews/etc happened before the whole story was known, so yeah people thought a single sick asshole was single-handedly destroying the school they love and support. I can completely understand their first thought being about how it affected their lives, it's just human nature. To suggest that people in State College or who went to Penn State would rather cover it all up to save their football program is an ASININE and ignorant thing to say and I take offense at you implying that.

It's much easier for someone with no allegiance to the school to not see that fact. But the reality is, a handful of people screwed up big time in not stopping a very, very sick man. The rest of the hundreds of thousands of faculty, staff, alumni, etc are not the blame, yet the media would have everyone else believe we are.
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Where was all this compassion for human nature back when McQueary was being held up for contumely?

The fact is there is a culture that pervades all college athletics that contributes to this sort of thing going unchecked for so long. The ill effects of such a culture can manifest in different ways at different times in different places. I don't see a whole lot of the wild accusations by homers in denial having much attendance in reality.
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Those Who Know Not also feel, very strongly, that the football program should be shut down for good or, at the least, a few years. Some of them, on the fringe, actually believe the whole university should close.

As long as you, Holly, and all the rest who are part of that culture, in whatever small part, eschew responsibility for changing it, raising such a specious clamor, instead, of how they have been violated, it will not get better.


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said by pflog:

To suggest that people in State College or who went to Penn State would rather cover it all up to save their football program is an ASININE and ignorant thing to say and I take offense at you implying that.

Some of the people who went to Penn State wanted that, yes. Most did not.

Fortunately those who wanted it covered up are not nearly the majority of the Penn State community. That community's a pretty big, strong one and it'll go on just fine with or with a football program, with or without a good reputation for a good football program. There's a lot more to Penn State than football.

Things got out-of-whack for awhile, however. The football program was given almost blind deference and even reverence by students, alumni, administrators, and members of the football program. It made its own rules, nobody supervised it. That's what allowed Sandusky to get away with what he did for so long. And that's what allowed people in the football program to cover up for him as long and as well as they did.

The exposure of Sandusky and the coverup was a good thing, because it exposed those involved to public scrutiny and even to prosecution where needed, and because it pretty much destroyed the blind deference to the football program. That was very much needed.

Each year Penn State gets a new incoming class, and each incoming class is further and further removed from the "football is god" mentality. And they're not going to get terribly upset about criticism of Penn State like some older alumni do. Things change.
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pflog
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said by rolfp:

As long as you, Holly, and all the rest who are part of that culture, in whatever small part, eschew responsibility for changing it, raising such a specious clamor, instead, of how they have been violated, it will not get better.

And once again you totally missed it. If you'd read ANY of my comments on this entire thing, you'd know your accusations are a load of crap and that I value the school for much more than football. But go on believing whatever you like.

I know the truth, and I know the real culture, not what you believe it to be. When was the last time you were in State College, hmm?
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pflog
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Well hopefully it makes the tons of other programs do the same. There are plenty of such schools, where football really is the only thing going for them (no offense). Hopefully they take heed.
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What year did you graduate from Penn State? Great school!
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pflog
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said by jabarnut:

What year did you graduate from Penn State? Great school!

2000 (should have been 1999, but I did a long internship ).
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pflog
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said by pflog:

Well hopefully it makes the tons of other programs do the same. There are plenty of such schools, where football really is the only thing going for them (no offense). Hopefully they take heed.

Case in point. Here's a tweet of NCAA graduation report data (emphasis mine):

Onward State @OnwardState

The latest @NCAA report: Penn State football sets a school record with a 91% graduation rate. That's 23% above the Division 1 average.


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