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OZO
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reply to Name Game

Re: Who controls the internet?

said by Name Game:

The Internet might be something that needs to be 'free' but unless you are taxed to get it or pay out of your own pocket..if it were not subsidized by ads..the cost to run it will not come from the tooth fairy.

It could be free. But I pay for it each month. With regards to the alleged role of advertisement industry subsidizing the Internet - I'm sorry, but I block all ads on all web sites I visit. May be that has caused the worst one-day drop (7.74%) in four years for Google stock. If it has, I made my point - I don't need those freaking ads...
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OZO
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said by Blackbird:

Only since 1947 has the ITU been part of the UN. From that time onward, in harmony with the political emphasis and disposition of the new parent organization, less focus has been made on the standards/allocations themselves and much more on the "balance" and "fairness" overtone of whatever is decided.

I personally all for it, unless it tries to make its job political. We all need (and benefit from) good standards, and don't need a new "control" in one form or the other.
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goalieskates
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said by Name Game:

These are some of the mundane but essential logistical achievements of the International Telecommunication Union, a specialist UN agency that dates back to 1865.

1865? The UN was founded in 1945, and the telephone was invented in 1876.

Prime example of why the UN shouldn't be in charge of anything. They're sloppy, they make stuff up, and they're gosh-darned expensive.


Name Game
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reply to OZO

said by OZO:

said by Name Game:

The Internet might be something that needs to be 'free' but unless you are taxed to get it or pay out of your own pocket..if it were not subsidized by ads..the cost to run it will not come from the tooth fairy.

It could be free. But I pay for it each month. With regards to the alleged role of advertisement industry subsidizing the Internet - I'm sorry, but I block all ads on all web sites I visit. May be that has caused the worst one-day drop (7.74%) in four years for Google stock. If it has, I made my point - I don't need those freaking ads...

Yes you cause that knee jerk ..now Bob will be looking for ya He has a portfolio full of binders.

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DannyZ
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Made up? The ITU was indeed founded in 1865 and is currently a UN agency...

You do realize there were telecommunications before the telephone, right? »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telegraphy···legraphs
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Name Game
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Yup..blame it on the French

»www.itu.int/en/about/Pages/history.aspx

And it goes back to the telegraph...and maybe that then is the problem..telegraph companies turned into telephone companies..they existed today..now we have the internet..and all of those are not telephone( land line) companies with infrastructure..some telephone companies have to give the Internet Service providers free physical space..and in other parts of the world those telco companies want their fair share and so do their governments.

As other's have commented at that link:

"While most of the world follows the ITU, North America does not. They have ANSI/Bellcore. China and Japan have their own specifications also.

After years of promoting CDMA against GSM and finally giving in, I doubt the Americans will give up their hold on the internet that lightly."

"TED 2009 - Jonathan Zittrain: The Web as random acts of kindness

»www.ted.com/talks/jonathan_zittr···ess.html

Trying to control how every computing device on the planet talks to each other is impossible. Better that corps and agencies spend their time on finding common protocols, removing walled gardens, and accept the fact that the Internet is probably the single-most important; and single-most uncontrollable tool that mankind has at it's disposal."

" rather suspect the Internet is controlled by the US government except for the bit in China which is controlled by the Chinese government. Given its origins in the US military it is hard to get worked up about this.

In general I tend to view Google as the biggest threat to the western Internet because of its worrying use of people's confidential data and its corruption of search facilities. I suspect it has enough information on our politicians to shut them down if they cause it trouble. Fortunately it can't seem to get a handle on the faceless Eurocrats that are causing it so much trouble. It is a weird world when our only defence against Google is the EU."

"Telcos are always trying to get a slice of the content revenue. The reason isn't hard to spot, over 80 percent of the cost of broadband is incurred by the telcos building the access networks but they get a very small slice of the revenue."
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"..over 80 percent of the cost of broadband is incurred by the telcos building the access networks but they get a very small slice of the revenue."

Really? Why not take a look at Verizon's revenues last year, one of the so-called telco monopolists in the US (ATT and Verizon have a majority of the mobile customers). In my book $ 110 billion of annual revenues at Verizon is not "a very small slice."

»www.marketwatch.com/investing/st···nancials

What about £ 46 billion in revenues at Vodafone last year? Small too?

»www.marketwatch.com/investing/st···nancials

"Some people think of the telco operators/carriers as "dumb pipes". With the great service your telco apparently provides you (singing their praises), you are paying them through the nose for getting in the way of your content in actual fact. They throw all sorts of roadblocks and barriers up ---- bloatware on your mobile device, carrier customisation, etc--- between you and your content. All in the name of "value added". Not bad revenues for a dummy?"



ashrc4
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reply to AVD

said by AVD:

said by dave:

said by StuartMW:

I guess that depends on your viewpoint. DARPA (funded by the US military and hence gummint) came up with the protocols etc that form the internet.

Fair enough, but keep your American hands off the European-invented web.

no problem, as long as you use carrier pigeons to shuttle the packets all around.

That suits us fine too...... no more aussie Wi-FI...until we go thirds.
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goalieskates
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And yet the ITU is exhibiting all the problems of being taken over by the bloat that is the UN, which is the whole point of the article.

I realize more than you think. It doesn't matter what they were.



Name Game
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Debunking the Rumors...

»www.nytimes.com/2012/06/11/techn···all&_r=0

Expand your moderator at work


J E F F
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Re: Who controls the internet?

Well, since it was Canada that invented the first long distance telephone call, which the Internet at first had to use with 300 baud modems, we'll let the US and UK keep its Internet, just as long as service is provides to Canada, free of charge.
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NormanS
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said by Woody79_00:

...who cares about the rest of the world...

What? No more cute kitty girls? I'll be devastated!

»www4.ocn.ne.jp/~gap/index.html
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EGeezer
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reply to Name Game

Does this mean Bob is ceding control to the UN?



Dustyn
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You mean it's not the Internet King???