Topic 'Re: Its time' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27637444 en Fri, 25 Mar 2022 10:45:09 EDT Fri, 25 Mar 2022 10:45:09 EDT Re: Its time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27646911 said by grega711:

So people who are STEALING on Torrents and the like, are BUYING from Apple.???? OOOOOOOOOOOOOOH KAAAAAAAAAAY.

Whatever you say buddy.

....... Rest of ITAL926 quote edited out here but commented on below.

I promised I'd be back today and answer the rest of your rantings right below my post of ยท 2012-10-21 02:52:47. (Bottom 1/3 of previous page on my computer). So I'll copy your "reply" below and answer your ranting by interlineation in bold .

You said --

"So people who are STEALING on Torrents and the like, are BUYING from Apple.???? OOOOOOOOOOOOOOH KAAAAAAAAAAY."

I never said that. I said pirates are the ones putting pressure on the music/movie companies so that they will allow people like Apple to sell movies/music at lower prices.

And BTW, you never answered my questions about what you do for a living. Are you a cop? A professional do-gooder? Do you work in the movie/music industry? Why are you ignoring that question?

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Whatever you say buddy.

Huh? I don't think you even read what I said. You certainly didn't reply to any of it.

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If nobody ever went after original Napster 2001, and shut them down, online retailers wouldn't exist. Oh, they may exist, but they'd be doing 1/50th the business cuz everyone would still be using Napster ! Its the people that were scared to use such methods of STEALING!

Where do you get your numbers, ITAL? In your dreams?

Napster was a drop in the bucket compared file sharing today. The amount of stuff available now *dwarfs* Napster.

But I don't see retailers doing 1/50th of the business they used to do. Do you? And I don't see movie/music companies going out of business. Do you?

I hear a lot of complaining, and I see a lot of mediocre products. But I also see *good* movies like Avatar grossing BILLIONS of dollars.

How can that be? You said that if Napster hadn't been shut down, "they'd be doing 1/50th of the business", right? OK, so let's do the numbers:

Avatar grossed over $2,000,000,000 at the box office only, despite all the copies that might have been pirated. And you say that's only 1/50th of what they could have sold if pirating had been eliminated. So are you saying Avatar could have grossed 50 X $2,000,000,000+ or $100,000,000,000+, ITAL? (That's one hundred billion dollars, BTW.)

Sorry, Pal, but no movie has ever grossed anything near that much. It's a silly number. Just like your estimate above. If Avatar grossed $2,000,000,000+ at the box office, then the pirates didn't hurt it very much. Take another look at my math. Does it make you, maybe, want to rethink your "1/50th" estimate above?

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Copyright Infringement is STEALING. And before another braindead fool argues my use of the English language, see my quoted definition from Merriam Webster ten posts above. This is an opinion, and I have the right to use words however I see fit. . You dont like it? Tough. You turds are allowed to voice your opinion that its not stealing, in order to cherry-coat, but one day, you may find yourself in court for doing "nothing wrong". You people with sub 70 IQ's continue to argue definitions in order to make it seem as though what you do is legal. Its still against the law !

Guess what? We agree on something. "Copyright infringement is stealing." But I never said it wasn't.

Intellectual property (IP) is a form of property -- intangible property. You can't touch it or weigh it, but it's still a form of property under our laws. An author has IP property rights in what he/she writes, and a movie maker has IP property rights in what he/she produces. Those property rights are defined (in part) and protected by copyright law, and although the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) went a little crazy on the subject, violating somebody else's IP rights is a form of stealing.

We do disagree, however, that I'm a "turd" and that my IQ is sub 70. I'm tempted to say something like, "It takes one to know one", but since I'm not a turd and my IQ is above 70, I won't. :D

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It would be soooo simple to play by the rules, but you want to roll the dice, go right ahead. You are the same leaches that buy counterfeit movies, still in theaters,, in subway stations from illegal immigrants. The same leaches that steal/borrow a neighbors wi/fi before paying for your own. The same leaches that bought cable cheater boxes in the analog days. The same losers that blame the banks for allowing you to take out a mortgage $200,000 over your limit causing the whole system to collapse. To this day millions of people are foreclosing on their homes even though they dont have to. They declare bankruptcy just because the house is worth less than they owe ! They say "oh well" and move into an apartment for $2000+ a month . Then theres a new breed of people who stay on unemployment for as long as the laws allow, because starting a new job at the bottom pays the same money. Leaches on Society.

Whew! I'll bet your wife is glad to see you leave in the morning! :p

Really, you sound like a very angry person. I didn't say anything about any of your ranting in my post, so you weren't replying to my post. But I'll reply to yours --

What do you do, ITAL? Walk around keeping lists of all the people who piss you off? How long since you were last la_d? ;)

Get some help, man. I don't know how you became so angry and self-righteous, but remember that old Beatles song? "And in the end, the love you take, is equal to the love, you make."

Passed around much love lately? Try it. You might be surprised at what you get back.

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The world would be a much better place if people had stronger morals, ethics, and self responsibility.

Like you, right? Mr. Poiffekt?

Haven't you ever driven over the speed limit? Crossed a double line? Parked in a no parking zone? Ignored a parking meter? Passed on the right? Littered? Jaywalked? Smoked in a no smoking zone? Played a game of penny poker with friends? Taken a questionable tax deduction? Torn up a parking ticket from out of town? Had a beer when you were underage? Had a drink after hours in a bar? Broken any other silly little law?

What do you do with your spare time? Go to the library and look up laws so you can be sure to follow them? And then strain your arms patting yourself on the back?

Lighten up, man. Why does it bother you if somebody uses somebody else's wi/fi? Buys a cable cheater box? Pirates a movie? Signs up for too big a mortgage? Offers too big a mortgage? Declares bankruptcy? Collects unemployment?

But wait! Wait! Bankrupcty IS legal. Collecting unemployment IS legal. Offering/signing up for too big a mortgage IS legal. So those guys ARE playing buy the rules. But you're criticizing them, too. First you start off saying it would be soooo simple if everyone played by the rules. Then in the same paragraph you're calling a bunch of people who ARE playing by the rules "Leaches on Society".

So let's see. How can we make ITALIAN026 happy, and avoid his "Leach on Society" label? Well, I guess we all just need to live by the rules as laid (there's that word again) down by ITALIAN926 -- one of the few perfect, ethical, moral, self-responsible, law abiding people around. And if we have any questions, we can just ask you. How does that sound?

I'll bet your friends and neighbors give thanks every Sunday that they have you for an example. (not) Or maybe they just pray you'll move away. :p


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Over and Out
You sure are. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27646911 Mon, 22 Oct 2012 08:48:53 EDT Re: Its time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27645535 said by ITALIAN926:

Did you see my copy and pasted definition from Meriam-Webster? If its in there, my use of the word STEAL is legit. You can go speak English your way as well.

So in effect YOU "STOLE" a portion on Meriam-Websters dictionary.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27645535 Sun, 21 Oct 2012 22:10:31 EDT Re: Its time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27646187 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27646187 Sun, 21 Oct 2012 21:30:42 EDT Re: Its time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27645834 said by ITALIAN926:

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I love how you ignore all the argument posted and assume everyone is engaged in piracy. Apparently you also don't have any idea about how economics works, since then you would understand how supply and demand works, as well as market models among other things.


LMAO, supply and demand.

The entertainment industry facing a competing technology that offers a potentially unlimited supply at a cost of ZERO for consumers.

Apparently you aspire to such lowly heights as to arguments and demonstrate your unwarranted self-importance when anyone has an opinion contrary to yours.

Additionally, supply and demand regulate an industry that holds a total monopoly over itself with a product that regularly has a huge markup on all of it's products.

Take for example the film "Avatar" by James Cameron, one of the most pirated movies to date. The film cost 20th Century Fox $237,000,000 to produce, and grossed $2,782,275,172 at the box office. Even accounting for net losses, the cost to produce the film was a mere 10% of total profits gained from the box office alone not even counting DVD and BlueRay sales. That means that 90% of box office net, as well as profits from DVD sales are surplus for the studios, and do not "trickle down" to the "middle class" workers like so many Keynsian economists beleive.

said by ITALIAN926:



That takes a lot of nerve making such a judgement against me, nitwit.

Go back to school before you try to start sh!^ with someone who knows better. The nitwit is you, sir.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27645834 Sun, 21 Oct 2012 18:48:48 EDT Re: Its time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27645729
As long as artists don't have to mingle with us plebs and actually depend on live performances for money.

THE HORROR!!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27645729 Sun, 21 Oct 2012 18:04:17 EDT Re: Its time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27645208
"Lets start stealing everything in life because CEO's make too much" See the bigger picture buddy.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27645208 Sun, 21 Oct 2012 13:16:59 EDT Re: Its time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27645196 said by ITALIAN926:


The entertainment industry facing a competing technology that offers a potentially unlimited supply at a cost of ZERO for consumers.

They seem to be doing ok. Artists are still getting paid millions of dollars.

The worst that could possibly happen is artists must actually perform in person for fans for money.

Imagine that!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27645196 Sun, 21 Oct 2012 13:11:44 EDT Re: Its time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27645109 quote:
I love how you ignore all the argument posted and assume everyone is engaged in piracy. Apparently you also don't have any idea about how economics works, since then you would understand how supply and demand works, as well as market models among other things.

LMAO, supply and demand.

The entertainment industry facing a competing technology that offers a potentially unlimited supply at a cost of ZERO for consumers.

That takes a lot of nerve making such a judgement against me, nitwit. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27645109 Sun, 21 Oct 2012 12:40:36 EDT Re: Its time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27645075 said by ITALIAN926:

Remember, stop breaking the law. Cool.

I love how you ignore all the argument posted and assume everyone is engaged in piracy. Apparently you also don't have any idea about how economics works, since then you would understand how supply and demand works, as well as market models among other things. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27645075 Sun, 21 Oct 2012 12:27:08 EDT Re: Its time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27644785
Hillarious. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27644785 Sun, 21 Oct 2012 10:00:06 EDT Re: Its time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27644728 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27644728 Sun, 21 Oct 2012 09:25:32 EDT Re: Its time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27644727
But do us all a favor? READ what I said before you bluster on. OK?

See you tomorrow.....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27644727 Sun, 21 Oct 2012 09:24:30 EDT Re: Its time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27644699
Whatever you say buddy.

If nobody ever went after original Napster 2001, and shut them down, online retailers wouldnt exist. Oh, they may exist, but theyd be doing 1/50th the business cuz everyone would still be using Napster ! Its the people that were scared to use such methods of STEALING!

Copyright Infringement is STEALING. And before another braindead fool argues my use of the English language, see my quoted definition from Merriam Webster ten posts above. This is an opinion, and I have the right to use words however I see fit. . You dont like it? Tough. You turds are allowed to voice your opinion that its not stealing, in order to cherry-coat, but one day, you may find yourself in court for doing "nothing wrong". You people with sub 70 IQ's continue to argue definitions in order to make it seem as though what you do is legal. Its still against the law !

It would be soooo simple to play by the rules, but you want to roll the dice, go right ahead. You are the same leaches that buy counterfeit movies, still in theaters,, in subway stations from illegal immigrants. The same leaches that steal/borrow a neighbors wi/fi before paying for your own. The same leaches that bought cable cheater boxes in the analog days. The same losers that blame the banks for allowing you to take out a mortgage $200,000 over your limit causing the whole system to collapse. To this day millions of people are foreclosing on their homes even though they dont have to. They declare bankruptcy just because the house is worth less than they owe ! They say "oh well" and move into an apartment for $2000+ a month . Then theres a new breed of people who stay on unemployment for as long as the laws allow, because starting a new job at the bottom pays the same money. Leaches on Society.

The world would be a much better place if people had stronger morals, ethics, and self responsibility.

Over and Out]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27644699 Sun, 21 Oct 2012 09:00:57 EDT Re: Its time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27644539 said by DataRiker:

said by ITALIAN926:

You people are amazing, absolutely amazing.

Yes we are.

I have a really hard time with self righteous guys like, you, ITALIAN926. But leaving my own prejudices aside ....

Have you considered that it's the pirates who are finally forcing the MPAA/RIAA to bring down their prices to reasonable levels? That it's the pirates who are forcing them to abandon their monopoly pricing models? And bundling models? (Bundling = forcing customers to buy X,Y,& Z if they want A. Sound familiar?)

The MPAA/RIAA don't let the Apple Store sell music/movies unbundled for reasonable prices because they like what Apple is doing. They let Apple do it because if they didn't, more people would just go the pirate route.

They cooperate with the Apple Store because they finally figured out that half a loaf is better than nothing. And the rest of us benefit. Millions and millions of us.

Get it?

So IMHO you're a little confused, ITALIAN926. Those pirates you bash away at are the ones who are making outlets like the Apple Store possible. It's in consumers' self interest to be able to buy entertainment for less. Your self interest, too, no?

Why don't you see that?

Are you so pumped up with self-righteousness that you can't see it even when something benefits you?

Are you so rich that you just don't care?

Do you like to pull out a fat roll of cash and "impress" your friends by spending a lot of money? (Gucci loves buys like you.)

Is what really bothers you that other people are enjoying something you can't or won't enjoy? [I know the feeling, ITAL926, I sometimes hate watching other people having a good time, too. Especially if I'm not invited to the party. :)

Or, are you part of the music/movie biz? What *do* you do for a living? Nothing specific. Just enough so the people in this thread can get an idea of whether your self interest might be influencing your posts. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27644539 Sun, 21 Oct 2012 02:52:47 EDT Re: Its time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27644227 said by ITALIAN926:

You people are amazing, absolutely amazing.

Yes we are.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27644227 Sat, 20 Oct 2012 22:43:05 EDT Re: Its time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27642490
even if every one stopped pirating RIGHT NOW the MPAA and RIAA would still say people where to prop up a dieing model

they are selling buggy whips and the world moved on to cars ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27642490 Sat, 20 Oct 2012 07:15:02 EDT Re: Its time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27642479
YOU DONT STEAL SHIT YOU DONT WANT !!! YOU DONT BUY THINGS YOU CANT AFFORD ! This is so simple !

Music and movies are not a necessity of life.

You people are amazing, absolutely amazing. You think the entertainment industry exists to entertain you FREE OF CHARGE. Go play solitaire. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27642479 Sat, 20 Oct 2012 06:55:25 EDT Re: Its time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27642287 said by elios:

lots of good bands out there not on a major label and tons of good movies that arnt huge budget

Video games will over take movies in the next 5 years any way
and bands can already sell music directly over the net though any number of websites and services

the MPAA and RIAA are fighting to hang on to outdated model
its sad really they had a chance to adapt and didnt time to move on

MPAA/RIAA = buggy wipe
internet = motor cars

evolve or die

ever think MAYBE JUST MAYBE they are losing money becouse no one wants what there selling? and i dont even want to waste my bandwidth on there crap ether
i have more fun with great games like Xcom and Civ V
and watching Lets Plays of them on youtube

ill wait for a movie to hit the 2nd run and pay 3 bucks to see it or wait till redbox gets it and rent it for a buck
THATS why they losing money people dont want to pay 50 bucks to see a movie or 20 bucks for cd with 1 good song

people could stop all downloading to day and the MPAA and RIAA would still cry about piracy its the boggy man they use prop up bad numbers
downloads are make small number of "lost sales" the MPAA and RIAA want there cake and eat it too

Right on! The MPAA/RIAA have been sticking it to the customers for years. As long as they were the only game in town, they could charge *outrageous* prices for mostly crappy movies, force people to pay a lot of money to buy an album with only one or two songs on it they really wanted, and jam whatever they wanted down peoples' throats. That's what MONOPOLIES do.

Heck, the MPAA even codes their CD's so they can really stick it to customers in the US and Canada while selling the same products to people in other countries for less. Why? Not for charity. It's just that they've decided they'll make more money selling their stuff outside the US at lower prices, but they code the DVD's so they won't play inside the US or Canada. What a crock!

But now along comes Apple selling millions of copies a month of what people *actually want* at *reasonable prices*, and surprise surprise, people are lining up to legally buy it and pay for it! How does the MPAA/RIAA explain that when they whine that piracy is killing their businesses?

Why are people lining up to buy stuff from the Apple store when they could pirate it and get it for free? Maybe it's because Apple is finally charging a fair price and people know it.

Will the MPAA/RIAA ever admit that maybe they've been using their monopoly power to gouge their customers for years? And technology is finally undermining their monopoly model and forcing them to charge what their stuff is actually worth? And give it to people in the forms they want it in?

I mean, after all, why should an actor or director make $20,000,000 or more for 6 months or less of work, when most people work all their lives and don't make that much money? Why should a movie with no story but lots of special effects have to cost $150,000,000 or more to make? When some great movies with great stories cost just a small fraction of that?

Have you ever studied the moviemaking process at a large studio? The way they piss away money is *breathtaking*! Truly breathtaking. Same for the music business. The artists (musicians) don't get to see much of the money, but the suits sure do well. Same question. Why should the suits ride around in limos and private jets while people who work just as hard, probably harder, make a small fraction of what music industry suits pay themselves?

And the music they're turning out these days? Have you noticed it all kind of sounds the same? Google it. There have been studies showing the same chord progressions and music components are being "sampled" and used more and more, over and over again. That's why there's less variation in today's music than in the music from the 1970's and 1980's. The RIAA is grinding out the same sausage over and over again and blaming piracy for the reason their sales are down. I'd like to suggest that maybe their sales are down because they're turning out (in large part) boring, crappy products.

So IMHO you're spot on elios. Hollywood and the music business are using piracy as a way to divert attention from their outrageous profits and second rate products. But the gravy train is over guys. Kicking and screaming you're getting dragged back into the real world where people get paid reasonable prices for the work they do and the products they turn out. Sorry you might not be be able to live in 12,000 sq foot+ mansions and fly around in your private jets, but sometimes life can be tough. Welcome to *our* world. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27642287 Sat, 20 Oct 2012 01:20:41 EDT Re: Its time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27641575 said by ITALIAN926:

Yea, theyll just pack it up and desert their respective businesses. The musicans will sing songs about Chevrolet and Pampers, and the movies will be nothing but 2-hour commercials for Tide and Pepsi. Of course that wont happen, and we'll end up low budget B movies and Amateur Youtube crap. Maybe the collective brains at Pirate Bay can give a suggestion on how to make music and movies ( books and software for that matter ) ON ZERO FUCKING REVENUE? Any of you dipshits can answer this question as well.

Isnt it amazing that humanity has such issues? Simply because people have no morals. Leaches.

Perhaps they become real artists and do live performances?

Just a thought.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27641575 Fri, 19 Oct 2012 19:44:35 EDT Re: Its time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27641112 said by ITALIAN926:

Like Ive said in the past, one of my favorite things is listening to people justify stealing content. In response to your statement... BUT THEY WILL WATCH/LISTEN to that stuff for FREE, right !? If you dont want it, you dont pay for it, you dont entertain yourself with it for free either.


File-Sharers More Likely to Pay for Movies, Books, Games and Concerts.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27641112 Fri, 19 Oct 2012 17:08:58 EDT Re: Its time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27640104 said by ITALIAN926:

one in the music and movie business, (and the entire TV business) aside from the actors and musicians must MAKE MINIMUM WAGE.

WOW ! Thanks for clearing that up ! LMAO

Glad we got that cleared up. Now we know where you're coming from. Fresh from licking the boots of your cronies at the RIAA.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27640104 Fri, 19 Oct 2012 14:14:52 EDT Re: Its time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27639775 said by ITALIAN926:

Did you see my copy and pasted definition from Meriam-Webster? If its in there, my use of the word STEAL is legit. You can go speak English your way as well.

So you are saying you would like it under the other way so the owners cannot reclaim what is theirs and cannot recover the damages?

Oh and I'm speaking the english of federal law, not my own lol.
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"I like to refer to myself as an Adult Film Efficienato." - Stuart Bondek]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27639775 Fri, 19 Oct 2012 11:58:22 EDT Re: Its time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27639457 I never knew Chris dodd made good music!. That's like saying you can't find a good prostitute without a pimp. RIAA and MPAA are nothing more than hoarding pimps that take up 60-90% of the money that the artist should be making. Piracy actually helps the sales. Piracy or no piracy people who are not going to buy a product will not buy it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27639457 Fri, 19 Oct 2012 10:43:32 EDT Re: Its time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27639213 said by verizonlteda :

Yeah but at the same time same people say i'm not buying that crap then go's and steals it. Why steal it if it's not good ? it's just some people just like shit free bottom line.

steals what ? i pay a blank media levy so the next time you ask that im going to sue this board to get your identity for slander and defamation of character...
now back off loser....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27639213 Fri, 19 Oct 2012 09:43:32 EDT Re: Its time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27639077 said by ITALIAN926:

The MPAA and RIAA protect THOUSANDS upon thousands of middle class families, and jobs. Not just rich actors and musicians.

No they don't. They protect themselves and a handful of corporate giants. In fact, the RIAA and MPAA cheat the actual artists out of millions upon millions of dollars every year. And they make it so consumers can't get the content they want legally, so in effect, the MPAA and RIAA are forcing people to pirate. You may like supporting a MAFIAA, but I don't. I send monies directly to the artists I like and buy from independent labels. I refuse to support a crime syndicate like the MPAA or RIAA.
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Teabaggers: Destroying America is Priority #1]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27639077 Fri, 19 Oct 2012 09:17:15 EDT Re: Its time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27639021 said by ITALIAN926:

Thanks everyone for justifying your BREAKING THE LAW once again. Whether its called THEFT, or INFRINGEMENT, its still against the law. You nitwits dont get to rewrite laws that affect billion dollar industries, and a million working familes.

Explain to me how a movie that made $440 million at the box hasn't made a profit. I dare you...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27639021 Fri, 19 Oct 2012 09:01:46 EDT Re: Its time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27638793 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27638793 Fri, 19 Oct 2012 07:01:47 EDT Re: Its time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27638784 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27638784 Fri, 19 Oct 2012 06:54:23 EDT Re: Its time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27638781
Now, if what you say is true, its still wrong. You dont get to write your own rules my friend. On top of that, you wouldnt admit that youre one of a very tiny minority of infringers? That is an absolute joke if you think otherwise.

PS, there are a dozen sites out there that allow you to listen to not only PARTIAL songs before you BUY, but the ENTIRE song. Also, theres this brand new invention called RADIO, where you get to hear the songs for free as well.

Honestly, think youre full of it, and when you explained yourself in court, receipts or not, theyd laugh at you. "EVERY TIME I DOWNLOAD ILLEGALLY, (AND LIKE IT) I THEN DELETE THE STOLEN SONG AND REPLACE IT WITH A PAID VERSION." hahahahhaha Id like to be that jury.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27638781 Fri, 19 Oct 2012 06:52:10 EDT Re: Its time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27638759 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27638759 Fri, 19 Oct 2012 06:05:52 EDT Re: Its time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27638748 said by 29393955:

Every time you download copyright-protected content without paying for it, you are taking food off my table, as I work in the entertainment business in a support role (of which there are thousands of people employed in), and every un-paid download takes more money away from our support industry. So you are taking food from my wife and 3 wonderful children - I'd absolutely call that theft!!

Do you also understand that every time your competition gets a job that your company could have done it also takes food off your table?? Since -by your definition- they are committing theft, why aren't you going after them with your second amendment??]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27638748 Fri, 19 Oct 2012 05:37:17 EDT Re: Its time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27638736 said by 29393955:

Now you call it whatever makes you feel good about it, just picture my sweet, innocent kids every time you do it, and think how YOU would feel if someone was taking food from YOU and YOUR FAMILY.....

Think how David Prowse feels! He was the actor inside the Darth Vader costume for the bulk of the original Star Wars movies and he still hasn't been paid for appearing in Return of the Jedi because the studio claims that the movie hasn't made any profit.

Think about that for a second; One of the most famous movies of all time, that has helped to create an entire merchandising empire, supposedly has never made any money. How is that possible?

Its budget was $35 million and it made $475 million at the box office. Care to explain to me how a movie that made $440 million more than it cost to make, has never made a profit?

If your family is starving, maybe you should ask the studio what they're doing with all the extra money. Especially since Hollywood has boasted of making record profits for the past five years straight.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27638736 Fri, 19 Oct 2012 05:06:17 EDT Re: Its time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27638732 said by ITALIAN926:

If there was no internet, these leaches WOULD be going to the theater, theyd be buying/renting books, CD's and DVD's legitimately, they would still pay for cable TV.

Yeah! Back before I got broadband internet service, I only had dialup and it was completely impractical to download any large files. I was buying 20-30 DVDs a week and going to the theater every other day and paying for all the movie channels on my cable service!

Oh wait, no I wasn't, because I didn't have that kind of money.

My entire DVD collection fits inside a shoebox with room to spare. I've been to less than a dozen movies in the last decade. And the only time I had the pay movies on cable was when they gave them to me free for six months.

At the moment, I'm paying for basic cable, because I got a package deal from my ISP. At the end of next March, the price for just basic cable more than doubles to $75 a month. Of course that's before they tack on a bunch of taxes that will probably bump the price to $80. I can't even escape the $7 box rental fee because they encrypt the basic channels. So in a little less than half a year, I'll be canceling my TV service. My friend up the road is paying over $160 a month and they're getting ready to raise his rates as well.

After the first year of my cable deal was up, they wanted to charge me an extra $12 a month to use the DVR! That's not the rental fee for the box, that's on top of the rental fee. Please explain to me how it costs them anything for me to use a DVR? It's just a bullshit charge that they figure people will pay. Not me. I returned the DVR and told them to take it off my bill.

What about DVDs? You buy a DVD, pop it in, and then you have to sit through a dozen trailers and 3-4 anti-piracy warnings, none of which you can skip. I already bought the damn disc, why do I have to be subjected to this crap?

Or you go to theater, pay $10+ for your ticket, pay outrageous prices for popcorn and soda, go into the theater and then they start showing commercials! I don't mean the trailers, I mean actual commercials! What's next? They stop the movie every ten minutes to show ads?

Can you buy movies and shows in digital format, like you can with music in MP3 format? Nope. At best you can rent it. It requires special software, only works with certain devices and your ability to watch it can be revoked at any time. They can take that crap and shove it.

The copyright industry's response to the digital world has been the equivalent of a store telling customers who ask for fresh vegetables to buy cans of V8 juice at $10 apiece.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27638732 Fri, 19 Oct 2012 04:57:50 EDT Re: Its time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27638720 said by ITALIAN926:

Maybe the collective brains at Pirate Bay can give a suggestion on how to make music and movies ( books and software for that matter ) ON ZERO FUCKING REVENUE? Any of you dipshits can answer this question as well.

Here's how they make money; Each studio digitizes their entire back catalog of movies to common, DRM free formats, then sets up a store where people can easily buy copies of those movies.

Imagine if you could go a web site and for a couple dollars, buy pristine copies of all the old, out of print movies that you remember watching years ago, and then watch them on any device you want.

You say that the files will get "stolen". Guess what - that's happening already and the studios aren't making a cent from it. The pirates aren't waiting for the studios to supply them with digital files, they're making their own.

It would cost the studios next to nothing to have their films digitized. In fact, if they asked for volunteers and maybe gave them free copies of the movies that they processed, they'd probably have more applications than they could handle. The server costs would be pocket change to them.

Would everyone stop buying pirating and buy these copies? No. Piracy will never be completely eliminated. However, many people would buy them. Look at iTunes: When they started, they had DRM and a bunch of bullshit restrictions just to buy songs that were already available for free on file sharing networks. They should have failed, but they didn't. People paid for legal copies of content that they could get for free.

Why wouldn't the same thing work for movies and TV shows?

Oh wait, the studios can't put most of their old movies and shows up for sale, because they contain copyrighted music and thanks to the ridiculously complex copyright laws, which they all begged for, all that content is now permanently locked up. The studio would either have to pay a huge licensing fee to use the music, or pay to have the old music replaced with all new music.

Copyrights are the reason that the TV show WKRP in Cincinnati can only be bought in butchered form. Copyrights are the reason it took over a decade for the movie Heavy Metal to become available on home video.

They could be making tons of extra money if they weren't so stupid.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27638720 Fri, 19 Oct 2012 04:33:49 EDT Re: Its time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27638691 said by ITALIAN926:

Video games take over movies? Whats that supposed to mean?

Have'nt you ever taken a good look at steam or any other big gaming industry? they are buying everyone out.. Everyday steam has a deal, summer deals, Christmas, small deals, etc.

Some games lately, including new games coming out are going to have there customers pay for the items such as weapons to play the game.. So ridiculous IMHO but its the new future. People are looking for something more fun and gaming businesses are wanting more money so this can happen so they rip off some of there customers. I totally dislike it, this is why I am purchasing my last few games and then gaming for me will become a thing in the past, no more gaming for me(:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27638691 Fri, 19 Oct 2012 03:45:04 EDT Re: Its time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27638662 said by Kearnstd:

maybe if the MPAA and RIAA put their money into making high quality alternatives to piracy they would not have to waste so much on a war they cannot win.

Instead they resist even legit content outlets online at every turn. The RIAA hates iTunes but they cannot do a thing about it because if they pushed licensing costs above what apple liked, Apple customers would just pirate everything.

Another reason Apple got the green light for it is because they lowered the quality of the tracks much less than the quality of a CD. Not sure if that is still going on now but at that time the best they offered was 64kpbs tracks in their own proprietary format (which was another reason) instead of the universal mp3 format. They claimed it was just as good as a 128kbps mp3 (it wasn't) however that is still not close to the quality of CD tracks and people were stupid enough to buy into that.
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STEALING..

Here is the problem with calling it stealing rather than copyright infringement.

Under theft\stealing the property must be returned to the original owner in the condition it was prior to being stolen along with fines and penalties which get paid to the court, not the owner. Well, in these cases the property never left the owners possession and is still 100% in tact.

Put it under copyright infringement, well now you have a whole new ball game with even more sever penalties and now the owner has an avenue to be able to collect for any damages caused by it. I'm not sure why pirates feel more comfortable with this though.
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If there was no internet, these leaches WOULD be going to the theater, theyd be buying/renting books, CD's and DVD's legitimately, they would still pay for cable TV.

When there was no internet people would copy it from the original media to blank media. Not sure how the libraries got away with letting people read books for free but, they did and still do. Even if the internet didn't come around CD\DVD burners did to copy that stuff. As for cable tv, it has been around long before the internet (satellite tv as well) and was being stolen since it's invention.

I'm not condoning these thing but rather pointing out that if your going to make this argument, you need to come to the debate with real facts. ;)
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"We will evaluate these integrals rigorously if we can, and non-rigorously if we must".
---Victor Moll, invited talk, Tom Osler Fest (April 17, 2010)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27638633 Fri, 19 Oct 2012 02:16:04 EDT Re: Its time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27638631
So yes, I am the counterexample to your "proof". And yes, I take your opinion with a grain of salt.
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---Victor Moll, invited talk, Tom Osler Fest (April 17, 2010)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27638631 Fri, 19 Oct 2012 02:14:04 EDT Re: Its time http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27638614 said by jjeffeory:

..but words aren't important on the internet! Look at all the poor grammar and outright mistakes and information we see everyday from most sites. Accuracy is optional today.

Including this site itself.
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The website is now serving up its bevy of copyrighted goods

Uh no they are not, they don't host any of the material, they host the files that tell you who has the material.

Then again this place has been slippin' for quite some time now.
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Instead they resist even legit content outlets online at every turn. The RIAA hates iTunes but they cannot do a thing about it because if they pushed licensing costs above what apple liked, Apple customers would just pirate everything.
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I still torrent, but I end up paying for the music anyway. So, your opinion is taken with a grain of salt, and I'm sure I'm not alone when I make that statement.

So let me get this straight. You illegally download a song, then buy a duplicate copy. Mkay.

MY opinion is taken with a grain of salt he says ! LOL LMAO LMFAO HAHAHA. HOHOHO]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Its-time-27638237 Thu, 18 Oct 2012 22:31:04 EDT