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Gone
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reply to El Quintron

Re: Why doesn't TPIA include DOCSIS 3?

They aren't the smallest incumbent, but they are the smallest of the "significant" ones.


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said by Gone:

They aren't the smallest incumbent, but they are the smallest of the "significant" ones.

That's an accurate qualifier, other incumbents are usually local players, and you paraphrased what I meant anyway.
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There's Eastlink, but they claim that they had technical reasons for not offering TPIA and so far the CRTC hasn't forced them into doing it. If they were part of the TPIA/GAS game, they would be the smallest of the "significant" ones, not Cogeco.


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said by Gone:

There's Eastlink, but they claim that they had technical reasons for not offering TPIA and so far the CRTC hasn't forced them into doing it. If they were part of the TPIA/GAS game, they would be the smallest of the "significant" ones, not Cogeco.

Eastlink doesn't look profitable to the TPIAs for a simple reason...competition. Unlike all the other ISPs it seems out there, maybe minus Shaw, they are the most competitive...their 20mbit package here in Sudbury, unlimited....no cap...so there's not much room to manuver on distinction between different services...if someone came to you and said I can offer you 20mbit unlimited, no cap for $63/month...modem rental included...if I look at TSI's pricing for 18mbit @ unlimited...its $55/month...so again I'm figuring Eastlink just doesn't provide an ROI for Teksavvy to offer anything useful...

The reason why TPIAs like Start don't offer the faster service is a sheer capacity issue. They probably don't have the capacity to be able to offer those kinds of speeds without some huge pipe between Rogers (or what they call the Red network) and Start themselves...

TSI is in the same boat...hence why they always ran into congestion issues...imagine if they had offered faster speed tiers...its just not a good ROI for TSI either, I mean they are in business after all.


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said by nitzguy:

The reason why TPIAs like Start don't offer the faster service is a sheer capacity issue. They probably don't have the capacity to be able to offer those kinds of speeds without some huge pipe between Rogers (or what they call the Red network) and Start themselves...

... maybe rocca can tell us if start is able to offer higher speeds or not, i would like to know that as well
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said by nitzguy:

Eastlink doesn't look profitable to the TPIAs for a simple reason...competition.

Actually there have been numerous applications made to the CRTC to force Eastlink into TPIA. In each situation the requests have been denied due to Eastlink claiming technical reasons that prevent them from doing TPIA.

The last filing I read, and there could be others more recent, was that Teksavvy was working on an agreement "resell" Eastlink service in Halifax in the interim until a method to due proper TPIA is available.

If ISP's didn't want to do TPIA on Eastlink for whatever reasons you claim, they sure seem to be fighting for access to it and are even doing things to try to get their name out there for when it is


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said by nitzguy:

The reason why TPIAs like Start don't offer the faster service is a sheer capacity issue. They probably don't have the capacity to be able to offer those kinds of speeds without some huge pipe between Rogers (or what they call the Red network) and Start themselves...

I think the core of the problem is cost. Once Start is measuring usage in The Red Zone, I think we'll probably see faster speeds. Until then, they just can't afford to let a customer saturate a 60 or 75mbit connection, that customer would cost the ISP ~$1000/month! Ya, that does translate into a capacity thing too, but I think the cost is the primary issue.

That said, CIK Telecom does advertise a 75mbit package. I don't know anybody who has it, I don't know if I believe them, but it is listed on their website...
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said by damir52:

said by nitzguy:

The reason why TPIAs like Start don't offer the faster service is a sheer capacity issue. They probably don't have the capacity to be able ...

... maybe rocca can tell us if start is able to offer higher speeds or not, i would like to know that as well

Yes we're able to and we have the capacity, the issue is simply economics.

We are currently waiting a decision from the CRTC, likely near the end of the year, on 2012-703 which may adjust the rates we pay for capacity. At the current tariffed capacity rates (which are about ten times more than the retail transport rate from the same carriers) it just isn't viable to offer 75Mbps when the cost of providing that service can exceed $1,000 per customer. If those capacity rates come down to even close to where they should be then you'll quickly see an array of new options from us.


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said by rocca:

said by damir52:

said by nitzguy:

The reason why TPIAs like Start don't offer the faster service is a sheer capacity issue. They probably don't have the capacity to be able ...

... maybe rocca can tell us if start is able to offer higher speeds or not, i would like to know that as well

Yes we're able to and we have the capacity, the issue is simply economics.

We are currently waiting a decision from the CRTC, likely near the end of the year, on 2012-703 which may adjust the rates we pay for capacity. At the current tariffed capacity rates (which are about ten times more than the retail transport rate from the same carriers) it just isn't viable to offer 75Mbps when the cost of providing that service can exceed $1,000 per customer. If those capacity rates come down to even close to where they should be then you'll quickly see an array of new options from us.

I did say economics after that, specifically "ROI"...aka Return on Investment, just so I wasn't misquoted....you're a business, you're in it to return profit to the shareholders....Any person who's watched Wall Street the original 1987 should know that .

In regards to Cogeco, they also have a small footprint on the mountain Between Upper Wellington and Upper Wentworth up to Mohawk (south side of Mohawk only).

Also, Upper Stoney Creek is Cogeco...basically anything East of the Redhill Creek Parkway...and anything west of Upper Paradise I believe, aka Ancaster....

I'm shocked that Source aka Southmount is still around, I expected them to sell ages ago...


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said by nitzguy:

In regards to Cogeco, they also have a small footprint on the mountain Between Upper Wellington and Upper Wentworth up to Mohawk (south side of Mohawk only).

Shaw also has a (very) small footprint on in lower Hamilton in and around Barton and Woodward.


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said by Gone:

Shaw also has a (very) small footprint on in lower Hamilton in and around Barton and Woodward.

Wouldn't this be because they bought Mountain View Cable a year or so ago?
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Yes. Mountain has that small footprint and it went to Shaw when they sold.


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said by Gone:

said by nitzguy:

In regards to Cogeco, they also have a small footprint on the mountain Between Upper Wellington and Upper Wentworth up to Mohawk (south side of Mohawk only).

Shaw also has a (very) small footprint on in lower Hamilton in and around Barton and Woodward.

They sure do...I remember a small debate with a customer who was moving into that area and he insisted that Cogeco was there, while my database insisted that it was not serviceable and that it was a mountain cable area...



Its a very weird part to have cable service....I wonder how that all came to be.


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Could have been a contract with one specific developer to develop one specific neighbourhood that never extended beyond that back in the 50s or whenever that area was built. Hamilton had like five or six different cable companies at any given point in the past, and I believe that part of the city was the bigger border between Maclean-Hunter and Western Coax.