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gunther_01
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join:2004-03-29
Saybrook, IL
reply to gunther_01

Re: Verizon as a WISP

But either way $60 a month for 10GB is awful.
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Jim_in_VA

join:2004-07-11
Cobbs Creek, VA
kudos:4
agree there, atrocious price and caps: »www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/home···/main.do


WHT

join:2010-03-26
Rosston, TX
kudos:5
reply to gunther_01
It requires similar installation effort as a WISP and satellite TV dish, reported to be the size of a five gallon paint bucket. Picture and discussion here.
»Verizon Home Fusion LTE Service Arrives


WHT

join:2010-03-26
Rosston, TX
kudos:5

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reply to gunther_01
Verizon gives them double the bucket for first month. I think it was the Verizon CEO that said last week to the effect (not a direct quote - will have to look for it), "we give them double for first month to let them be comfortable with the high speed experience...we give them faster speeds to encourage them to download more".

Here's how it will go...

The first bill arrives for $120 (not including the $200 installation charge) for the 30 GB plan and they used 60 GB without going over - remember, they get double the data for the first month.

The second bill arrives for $420 for the extra 30 GB they used at $10 per GB. The rants from other forums complain of even higher bills where there are several kids in high school and internet ready entertainment centers downloading iTunes, Netflix, and Hulu. Something is not going to play very nice with HD Netflix happy households.

Two years ago, 80% of my subs used less then 10 GB per month, the other 20% less than 30. Now you'll see 80% using over well over 40 GB per month, and some over 100 GB.

Carriers have been touting out that 90% of users used less than something like 3 GB per month. I couldn't understand how they came up with that number - Then it dawned on me they were using only handset usage, not a family of four using Home Fusion as their primary internet connection.

I did a cost comparison tripping point to at what point in time a subscriber will realize the monetary monthly point where there can ditch Home Fusion and start coming out ahead with a WISP. It included Verizons install fee, ETF and overage charges, and a WISP's install fee.

Well...can't find it at the moment; but first pass was 7 months and recalculated a few things and came out with 5 months.


dongato17
VIP
join:2000-07-28
Atlanta, GA
Supposedly the average on ATT/VZ DSL is around 20-25GB per month but that number is trending up obviously and has a lot of people who haven't found services like Netflix. Those people will find Netflix when they finally buy their next TV or DVD player.

I'm not saying that this can't be a threat to unlicensed WISPs, but as it stands now it is not a serious threat for all the reasons mentioned already. When I do a mobile speed test on VZ LTE I get 30Mbps down and 15Mbps up. Impressive, yes, but I'm can't test more than once per month for fear of using up my usage allotment.

What you see here instead are indications that AT&T wants to give up uverse and landlines and focus on mobile wireless services. IMO that creates an even greater opportunity for WISPs. There will be a rather large gap between mobile, tightly capped service and home services that need larger caps. WISPs are already filling that need and have proven that it works - we just need to keep moving ahead with innovative technology and business models.

-Hal
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Harold Bledsoe


WHT

join:2010-03-26
Rosston, TX
kudos:5
That 30 Mbps down for LTE is going to drop like the glide angle of a brick.

In my 3G area, I got 1.5 during the day and 2 plus at night...a year ago. Now I'm lucky to see 300 Kbps during day and evening.


dongato17
VIP
join:2000-07-28
Atlanta, GA
Absolutely true. They know that too which is the reason for the aggressive usage caps.
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Inssomniak
The Glitch
Premium
join:2005-04-06
Cayuga, ON
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reply to WHT
I recently blew 36 megs down on LTE with a new phone 5. Almost peed myself! Just the other day in downtown nowhere I blew 17 megabit on 3G HSPA+!

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WHT

join:2010-03-26
Rosston, TX
kudos:5
Doesn't Apple Store have an anti-pee app?


WHT

join:2010-03-26
Rosston, TX
kudos:5

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reply to dongato17
said by dongato17:

What you see here instead are indications that AT&T wants to give up uverse and landlines and focus on mobile wireless services.

While the AT&T and Verizon have admitted the uVerse/DSL and FIOS greenfield deployment party is over, they won't abandon any successful broadband in place.

Verizon not only found a way to get out from under their copper plant, but to make money on it with their reverse Morris trust prank...but the joke isn't funny anymore. So carriers are finding a new way to get out from under copper by lobbying state legislatures to allow them to be dropped as a "carrier of last resort". It's a pretty good bet that anyone past the third load coil is going to wake up with no musical dial tone some morning.
/added »AT&T Highlights Plan to Hang up on POTS, DSL

I'm predicting the carriers will start up their own seamless VoIP service and ATA/in-house server (you rent monthly, of course) that will emulate a multi-line POTS service.


Jerm

join:2000-04-10
Richland, WA
kudos:2
reply to Jim_in_VA
I just find it funny that just last year there were people arguing on here that Netflix and power useres were an unreasonable burden on the WISP.

Now its become the strategic advantage!

Just think, with a HD Netflix movie being up to 2GB you can run ads:

"WISP your favorite Netflix movies for $0 in extra fees, or pay up to $20 per movie in GB fees with Verizon"


WHT

join:2010-03-26
Rosston, TX
kudos:5
It was a burden for WISPs that designed their deployments for the past several years with sub-1Mpps speeds out to 10 or 15 miles. The new WISPs can offer higher packages pushing 5 and even 15 Mbps in a 5 mile footprint.


Jerm

join:2000-04-10
Richland, WA
kudos:2

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said by WHT:

It was a burden for WISPs that designed their deployments for the past several years with sub-1Mpps speeds out to 10 or 15 miles.

Oh I definitely agree. I was on a DSL provider in the late 90's that decided it was a great idea to fit one-hundred 768kbps customers on a single Frame Relay T1. It kinda worked for a while, even back in those days when webpages were (less than) 1mb on average. They aren't in business anymore.


Jim_in_VA

join:2004-07-11
Cobbs Creek, VA
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"WISP your favorite Netflix movies for $0 in extra fees, or pay up to $20 per movie in GB fees with Verizon"

I like that
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dongato17
VIP
join:2000-07-28
Atlanta, GA
Hey this is marketing speak. It should be more like avoid paying $60 for your next movie.

2GB/hr * 2hrs for a movie * $15/GB overage
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Jim_in_VA

join:2004-07-11
Cobbs Creek, VA
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reply to Jim_in_VA
I think, sadly, there are many folks out there in rural land that do not have a WISP offering coverage. There are those that can connect to a Verizon cell tower, and this is a better option than satellite especially considering the much lower latency. Price and caps suck, but better than nothing.
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WHT

join:2010-03-26
Rosston, TX
kudos:5
reply to Jerm
said by Jerm:

"WISP your favorite Netflix movies for $0 in extra fees, or pay up to $20 per movie in GB fees with Verizon"

I like that too!

whoever

join:2006-03-13
Avon, CO
reply to Jim_in_VA
Is there a way to resell the data service to our remote customers we can't hit and get a residual commission? Been looking for a master agent but can't find one. I can find them for business class applications, but not for residential customers.


Jim_in_VA

join:2004-07-11
Cobbs Creek, VA
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I don't see Verizon cutting a deal like that with anyone
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WHT

join:2010-03-26
Rosston, TX
kudos:5
reply to WHT
said by WHT:

"..we give them double for first month to let them be comfortable with the high speed experience ..."

said by Karl Bode :
Verizon's announcement also notes that customers who sign up for Home Fusion will receive double their usual data allotment for the first two months "[Verizon speaking] as they settle into using HomeFusion Broadband." Verizon pretty wisely doesn't want early product impressions focused on the second mortgage you may have to take out to pay your bandwidth bill.


Jim_in_VA

join:2004-07-11
Cobbs Creek, VA
kudos:4
yup, after those two "double data" months are over ... sticker shock
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gunther_01
Premium
join:2004-03-29
Saybrook, IL
reply to Jim_in_VA
What I think is the worst part is the subsidy. Verizon (and others) built their wireless networks on the backs of USF funds while owning landlines. Then gets subsidies to built wireless networks also to non-servicable areas. Does any one see the racket here?

It's no wonder they give up or gave up on landlines. Now they won't get the subsidy to continue the racket to feed in to their other divisions.

I know to some I am just preaching to the quire. But, damn.
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WHT

join:2010-03-26
Rosston, TX
kudos:5
reply to Jim_in_VA
said by Jim_in_VA:

sticker shock

Am thinking cardiac arrest.


Jim_in_VA

join:2004-07-11
Cobbs Creek, VA
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reply to gunther_01
you mean a "choir" .... I had to google it, had no idea how to spell it either lol ...but I get damn
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WHT

join:2010-03-26
Rosston, TX
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"Talking to the hand" works too.

gunther_01
Premium
join:2004-03-29
Saybrook, IL
reply to Jim_in_VA
said by Jim_in_VA:

you mean a "choir" .... I had to google it, had no idea how to spell it either lol ...but I get damn

LOL. My fingers just go ya know. I do that all the time. I actually knew how to spell it. But yea, choir. And a hole lot of Dam hehe
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TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
Fremont, OH
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reply to Jim_in_VA
The problem with Net Neutrality is the FCC has no power to enforce these as courts have already ruled. the FCC gave up on the Internet years ago when they ruled it as an information service and not a communications service. The same is happening with other land based products as more deregulation comes out.
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gunther_01
Premium
join:2004-03-29
Saybrook, IL
reply to Jim_in_VA
Until they re-classify Internet access. So don't forget that they have this in place, and IF they were to ever re-classify, which some would like to do, then we are all in trouble.

I don't think any of the law suits have made it to a verdict yet either on NN. So, to some degree, we don't know what they can and can't do.
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WHT

join:2010-03-26
Rosston, TX
kudos:5

1 recommendation

If carefully read the NN rules over, it's a gutless " nothing to see here, please move along" document. So many loop holes in the guise of reasonable network management.