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Jim_in_VA (banned)
join:2004-07-11
Cobbs Creek, VA

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Re: Verizon as a WISP

not with HomeFusion. It has a fixed antenna, connected to a router, and is not mobile
gunther_01
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join:2004-03-29
Saybrook, IL

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said by Jim_in_VA:

not with HomeFusion. It has a fixed antenna, connected to a router, and is not mobile

Ah, my bad. Thought it was another mobile device type of system. I'm sure they will try and figure something out to try and avoid "something" though.
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But either way $60 a month for 10GB is awful.
Jim_in_VA (banned)
join:2004-07-11
Cobbs Creek, VA

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agree there, atrocious price and caps: »www.verizonwireless.com/ ··· /main.do

WHT
join:2010-03-26
Rosston, TX

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Verizon gives them double the bucket for first month. I think it was the Verizon CEO that said last week to the effect (not a direct quote - will have to look for it), "we give them double for first month to let them be comfortable with the high speed experience...we give them faster speeds to encourage them to download more".

Here's how it will go...

The first bill arrives for $120 (not including the $200 installation charge) for the 30 GB plan and they used 60 GB without going over - remember, they get double the data for the first month.

The second bill arrives for $420 for the extra 30 GB they used at $10 per GB. The rants from other forums complain of even higher bills where there are several kids in high school and internet ready entertainment centers downloading iTunes, Netflix, and Hulu. Something is not going to play very nice with HD Netflix happy households.

Two years ago, 80% of my subs used less then 10 GB per month, the other 20% less than 30. Now you'll see 80% using over well over 40 GB per month, and some over 100 GB.

Carriers have been touting out that 90% of users used less than something like 3 GB per month. I couldn't understand how they came up with that number - Then it dawned on me they were using only handset usage, not a family of four using Home Fusion as their primary internet connection.

I did a cost comparison tripping point to at what point in time a subscriber will realize the monetary monthly point where there can ditch Home Fusion and start coming out ahead with a WISP. It included Verizons install fee, ETF and overage charges, and a WISP's install fee.

Well...can't find it at the moment; but first pass was 7 months and recalculated a few things and came out with 5 months.

dongato17
join:2000-07-28
Atlanta, GA

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Supposedly the average on ATT/VZ DSL is around 20-25GB per month but that number is trending up obviously and has a lot of people who haven't found services like Netflix. Those people will find Netflix when they finally buy their next TV or DVD player.

I'm not saying that this can't be a threat to unlicensed WISPs, but as it stands now it is not a serious threat for all the reasons mentioned already. When I do a mobile speed test on VZ LTE I get 30Mbps down and 15Mbps up. Impressive, yes, but I'm can't test more than once per month for fear of using up my usage allotment.

What you see here instead are indications that AT&T wants to give up uverse and landlines and focus on mobile wireless services. IMO that creates an even greater opportunity for WISPs. There will be a rather large gap between mobile, tightly capped service and home services that need larger caps. WISPs are already filling that need and have proven that it works - we just need to keep moving ahead with innovative technology and business models.

-Hal

WHT
join:2010-03-26
Rosston, TX

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That 30 Mbps down for LTE is going to drop like the glide angle of a brick.

In my 3G area, I got 1.5 during the day and 2 plus at night...a year ago. Now I'm lucky to see 300 Kbps during day and evening.

dongato17
join:2000-07-28
Atlanta, GA

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Absolutely true. They know that too which is the reason for the aggressive usage caps.

Inssomniak
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join:2005-04-06
Cayuga, ON

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I recently blew 36 megs down on LTE with a new phone 5. Almost peed myself! Just the other day in downtown nowhere I blew 17 megabit on 3G HSPA+!

WHT
join:2010-03-26
Rosston, TX

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Doesn't Apple Store have an anti-pee app?
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said by dongato17:

What you see here instead are indications that AT&T wants to give up uverse and landlines and focus on mobile wireless services.

While the AT&T and Verizon have admitted the uVerse/DSL and FIOS greenfield deployment party is over, they won't abandon any successful broadband in place.

Verizon not only found a way to get out from under their copper plant, but to make money on it with their reverse Morris trust prank...but the joke isn't funny anymore. So carriers are finding a new way to get out from under copper by lobbying state legislatures to allow them to be dropped as a "carrier of last resort". It's a pretty good bet that anyone past the third load coil is going to wake up with no musical dial tone some morning.
/added »AT&T Highlights Plan to Hang up on POTS, DSL [98] comments

I'm predicting the carriers will start up their own seamless VoIP service and ATA/in-house server (you rent monthly, of course) that will emulate a multi-line POTS service.
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said by WHT:

"..we give them double for first month to let them be comfortable with the high speed experience ..."

said by Karl Bode :
Verizon's announcement also notes that customers who sign up for Home Fusion will receive double their usual data allotment for the first two months "[Verizon speaking] as they settle into using HomeFusion Broadband." Verizon pretty wisely doesn't want early product impressions focused on the second mortgage you may have to take out to pay your bandwidth bill.
Jim_in_VA (banned)
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Cobbs Creek, VA

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yup, after those two "double data" months are over ... sticker shock

WHT
join:2010-03-26
Rosston, TX

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said by Jim_in_VA:

sticker shock

Am thinking cardiac arrest.