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Re: Snuff's Keybinding Guide

I just wanna know how I can make the change that when click on an item in the distance and walk up to it, I mine the ore/pick the herb without getting the stupid 'you can't do that yet' bullshit.


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Re: [STICKY] Snuff's Keybinding Guide

said by Threatco:

Sure, PvP, hardcore raiding, your not going to use them hardly ever. But what about when you want to play one handed. One should not NEED the mouse to play half-assed.

Arrow keys. Use them.

said by Threatco:

If your me, you hold in w and d, get out of the fire, while making the click, and save the day. If you unbinded keyboard turn, then either you die to fire, or you fail to click. Horrible example but just saying. I know to use mouse turns 99% of the time, but that doesen't mean there isint 1% of the time where it comes in handy.

To be clear, I would never suggest binding A & D to abilities... That's silly at best....

However, in my "circle" most people make A & D left and right strafe.

Edit: Just read Immer's post - High five.

ewave

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WASD is soooo 2008, try ESDF.



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said by ewave:

WASD is soooo 2008, try ESDF.

ESDF is for people that can't use modifiers so they think positioning their hand further towards the middle of the keyboard will help.

You're doing it wrong.

Arsinic

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Just think people could set up their binds to look as awful as Reckful's setup.. Even he will tell people please dont try to mimic his keybinds, they are terrible for 99% of people out there..

z/x strafe , move with double mouse click, everything is basically bound all the way up the keyboard from the bottom row including Fkeys..


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What? I use all modifiers comfortably and then some. I have big hands and find this much more comfortable. Your pinky still ends up being on shift. If anything you gain more in conjunction with the modifiers.



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Yeah... no thank you. (ref:»www.skill-capped.com/gladiators/···Keybinds)

said by ewave:

What? I use all modifiers comfortably and then some.

It is only one key to the right... so Shift is still fine. I'd have trouble with CTRL because now my pinky could hit the windows button which will bomb me out of WoW (I run windowed). It also makes useing ALT a PITA because I curl my left thumb under my hand for that button... with ESDF, I'd have to reach further under. It also would put my PTT (`) out of comfortable reach for me. It's amazing how different one button make the ergonomics.

But I wouldn't say it was a game-changer if you moved to this on your own. Recommending it without acknowledging other changes that would need to be made to compensate is a bit reckless.

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Yeah that is his old binds list. Its actually chan ged and he's added even more binds. Not to mention he plays his warrior now. I have been watching him stream a lot lately(I jsut leave it on my second monitor when I'm at my PC) and he talks about it daily when streamers ask about his binds. Seriously though that dude is crazy.

I guess though you can have the absurd number of binds he does when you can type >180 wpm easily(he plays a lto of typeracer on his stream between queues lol)

Personally I use shift, ctrl, and alt all as modifiers with `-7, q-y,f,g, and all mouse buttons.


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Hmm. With the way you're currently setup I could see how it would be more difficult for you.

CTRL and ALT are bound to alternate buttons on my mouse so I don't have that problem. I haven't used PTT in a long time, voice activation is far superior in my opinion, if you know how to set it up properly and have a decent mic.

I used WASD for a long time before converting - much less painful for me while gaining more efficiency.



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said by ewave:

CTRL and ALT are bound to alternate buttons on my mouse so I don't have that problem.

see? must include compensating adjustments.

ewave

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but but but...I've always had it setup like that!


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Re: Snuff's Keybinding Guide

since i started playing i have never used the keyboard to move through the world, it always felt awkward to me, i dont how you guys do it.
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Definitely agree that a person should use keybindings. There really is no alternative. I do love the n52 and use it for all gaming.

Although, while slightly off topic I feel it is closely related to your discussion. I have found the use of a ‘good’ mouse the best investment. I currently use the Logitech Wireless Gaming Mouse G700 (had the Revolution for about 3yrs before it died; which isn’t near as good as the G700). I’ve been using the G700 for about a year. IMHO the G700 (like many gaming mice) allow you to program any button to the mouse. With the G700 you can program 11 function just on your right hand. You can even program MACROs into one button.

Currently if you have several abilities on toons that are on a First Come First Serve (FCFS) rotation. For example, if you have a DPS CD that is 10sec and one that is instant put that 10sec CD ability on the same button as the instant. This allows you to hit one button vs two and keeps you from reaching for those ALT/Shift modifiers all the time. Most importantly, being a man that likes to simplify his toon, rotation and maybe ENJOY an encounter or have the capacity to watch out for that dreaded sparkly fire…. You can program several of the Alt+Function buttons on a single mouse button (making a macro). This makes it somewhat spamable.

So, if you were tanking on a paladin you could set up one button that spams with: Single TgT HoPo generator, Judge, Avengers.

Have another button that has: Multi TgT HoPo generator, Judge, Avengers, Holy Wrath.
**I forget what the Holy Power (HoPo) generator for multi/single target are called. Now, all that you have to manage are 30sec CDs and above plus Shield of Righteous.

Is it the best dps? Probably not… but it is as close to being the best without staring at CDs and potentially dying (allowing a raid/party member to die).

Bottom line: This method dramatically increases someone’s situational awareness and ability to watch the encounter.

Of note: This is potentially against the terms of service agreement. Use at your own discretion.



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Deathstalkr,

It would be easier and more efficient to make cast sequence macros in WoW.

Either way, that is a very poor way of playing. It may barely work in PvE, but will get you thrashed in PvP.

You have the right idea - keep your eyes on the middle of your screen and off your keybinds/action bars. However, you went about it absolutely ass backwards.

Get a few addons, like Doomcooldown Pulse, Icehud, and Bartender. DoomCDPulse will allow you to see when your abilities come off CD without checking your action bars. Icehud will keep your health, combo points, mana, etc etc on the center of the screen.

After that, you simply need to memorize your binds. We both agree that looking at your keyboard is bad, but making a spammable 1 key macro is NOT the solution even for PvE.


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To each their own I suppose. I am simply trying to illustrate how it is effect to gain better understanding of your environment and loose minimal DPS. So, I don't agree with you at all and IMO It is not ‘ass backwards’ and keeps all the abilities off of CD. Cast sequence MACROs don’t work like they used to and in my experience often fail. When you should be casting one spell it is often another that is being cast or the macro is locked up momentarily with the wrong spell waiting to be cast.

I have used macros and still do A LOT but for spamable attacks it doesn’t work as effective. As an example there was a Hunter macro in BC that allowed for optimal DPS. I once walked away from the computer to get a drink and came back to remain the top dps in a BT raid using an n52 with repeatable button spaming (n52 has a function to remain pressing a macro). I had that macro on a mouse wheel spin for awhile too.

So, while I agree macros are good I don’t find them as useful for dps abilities as they used to be. I mostly use them for mouseover or /use InsertTrink with /cast BigCoolDown

I don’t like icehud, used it for awhile in LK. I move my frame, target and target of target to the middle of my screen below my toon. Currently using ShadowUI but have used all the frames out there at one point or anohter.

I’ve been raiding for a long long time and have always been a top 5 dps in 25s. DPS isn't about merely pushing a button at the exact right time. It's mostly about DPS uptime... you have to be in the right place at the right time and then pushing the correct button. If you aren't paying attention or alive to see that then you aren't doing any DPS. Thus, being able to notice this and not worried about smashing button 1 vs 2 is more important IMHO. If you want to do that with an ingame macro then have at it. But, I would suggest the use of attaching a few spells to one button with a mouse or gamepad.

It doesn't work for every toon or person. But, as you get familar with classes most have the capacity to work in this method to some extent.


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reply to Snuffbox

Re: [STICKY] Snuff's Keybinding Guide

said by Snuffbox:

said by Threatco:

Sure, PvP, hardcore raiding, your not going to use them hardly ever. But what about when you want to play one handed. One should not NEED the mouse to play half-assed.

Arrow keys. Use them.

said by Threatco:

If your me, you hold in w and d, get out of the fire, while making the click, and save the day. If you unbinded keyboard turn, then either you die to fire, or you fail to click. Horrible example but just saying. I know to use mouse turns 99% of the time, but that doesen't mean there isint 1% of the time where it comes in handy.

To be clear, I would never suggest binding A & D to abilities... That's silly at best....

However, in my "circle" most people make A & D left and right strafe.

Edit: Just read Immer's post - High five.

Arrow keys are like 12 inches form all my abilities. When I am 1 handed playing I don't want to be swinging my arm back and forth.

I am telling you 100% for sure, when lazy-tanking, you want strafe and turn keys easy bound, no need to change the default.

The only time I would change this is maybe for high rating pvp, but just for that.

I read immers post. That's why I made mine

I think my scenrio happens more when you want to mouse over something to read a tooltip/timer.

The idea that you "should" unbind keyboard turning from a/d is predicated on the idea that people use it too often when they shouldn't, so it became known as a noob move. And that you never need them.

But as I pointed out, for lazy-one-handed-play, and for turning/moving while controling the mouse position, it is still a good idea to keep it bound. YMMV

But there are plenty other keybinds to use, I don't see a good arguement replace them.

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