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Gone
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reply to Robrr

Re: Gasoline Prices Below 99 Cents/Litre By Christmas

said by Robrr:

Actually the issue described is common with EVERY automatic. If the drivers holds the gas to the floor, the ECU and TCM will decide not to shift until red-line. You have to lift to make it shift sooner.
If you think I'm wrong take your vehicle out and keep the gas pinned to the floor from 0 to 120 km/h.

Depends on if the ECU is tuned for fuel economy or performance. ECUs tuned for fuel economy will downshift as soon as possible, and my Elantra does this unless I throw the shifter into manual mode at which point it will redline and then force a downshift if I don't do it myself. The XG350 I had before loved to ref up before downshifting, and I actually would throw that car into manual mode for the opposite reason so that it didn't rev so high. Different cars, different shift characteristics.

To claim all automatics do this is a misnomer. Prior to 2008 they might have, but a *lot* has changed since then, just like I'm sure a lot has changed with standard transmission cars since my father's Firefly.


dirtyjeffer
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reply to Robrr
said by Robrr:

Actually the issue described is common with EVERY automatic. If the drivers holds the gas to the floor, the ECU and TCM will decide not to shift until red-line. You have to lift to make it shift sooner.

If you think I'm wrong take your vehicle out and keep the gas pinned to the floor from 0 to 120 km/h.

if you floor the pedal, yes an automatic will downshift to the lowest possible gear, or if accelerating, will likely hold the gear until close to red line...however, no one i know drives that way...when you are stopped, you give it about an inch of throttle (pedal) and the car gets up to speed in a normal relaxed way, similar to how it would if you were shifting the gears on your own...in a manual, you don't floor the gas and red line every gear when you take off from a stop (unless you are driving a 5+ year old Honda Civic, with stupid ground effects, a big wing spoiler, a fart pipe exhaust, and wheels 4 sizes too big with so much negative camber you are almost driving on the inner sidewalls ).
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vue666
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In my day the automatic downshifting from 3rd to 2nd gear on the highway by depressing the gas pedal was called "passing gear"

quote:
Passing gear

An automatic transmission gear that shifts a vehicle into a lower gear for a short burst of extra power to pass other cars on the highway. The gear is engaged by sharply depressing the gas pedal. When the pedal is released, the vehicle returns to normal to normal driving gear.

»www.motorera.com/dictionary/pa.htm



peterboro
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reply to Gone

Warning: peterboro's back in the day post ahead.

said by Gone:

To claim all automatics do this is a misnomer. Prior to 2008 they might have, but a *lot* has changed since then, just like I'm sure a lot has changed with standard transmission cars since my father's Firefly.

And back in the day prior to ECUs there was a mechanical rod from the throttle to the trans and then vacuum modulators came along.


dirtyjeffer
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reply to vue666

Re: Gasoline Prices Below 99 Cents/Litre By Christmas

said by vue666:

In my day the automatic downshifting from 3rd to 2nd gear on the highway by depressing the gas pedal was called "passing gear"

quote:
Passing gear

An automatic transmission gear that shifts a vehicle into a lower gear for a short burst of extra power to pass other cars on the highway. The gear is engaged by sharply depressing the gas pedal. When the pedal is released, the vehicle returns to normal to normal driving gear.

»www.motorera.com/dictionary/pa.htm


i don't really like the term "passing" gear...it isn't a gear that was made for passing...the term i was familiar with was "kickdown"...you simply went down a gear, the same gear you would have used when you were getting to that speed in the first place.
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TLS2000
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reply to Gone
said by Gone:

downshift as soon as possible

Please stop saying downshift when you mean upshift. Transmissions go up a gear to lower RPM on the engine.
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Gone
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Right. I knew that, haha.


TLS2000
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I know. I just didn't want people to view your arguments in a bad light because you were using the wrong term by accident. lol
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Gone
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I meant to hop on the QEW and floor the Elantra on my way back from the store about an hour ago but with the fog rolling in this evening and the need to correct some issues with my Christmas light display (yes, my wife calls me Clark Griswold, haha) I decided to just head straight home instead. The Elantra has a redline at 6750 RPM. I know it doesn't come close to that when flooring it before upshifting, I just can't say for certain what the exact shift points are. I keep Eco mode enabled, which I am sure plays a part in how and when it shifts.


nitzguy
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Sudbury, ON
reply to vue666
said by vue666:

In my day the automatic downshifting from 3rd to 2nd gear on the highway by depressing the gas pedal was called "passing gear"

quote:
Passing gear

An automatic transmission gear that shifts a vehicle into a lower gear for a short burst of extra power to pass other cars on the highway. The gear is engaged by sharply depressing the gas pedal. When the pedal is released, the vehicle returns to normal to normal driving gear.

»www.motorera.com/dictionary/pa.htm


I remember this!! As a younger person driving my parents 1992 Ford Tempo...I4....2.3L engine apparently with a WHOPPING 98hp!!! That would explain why when I pulled off this manuever on some road trips that the car didn't really speed up that much lol.

Anywho, that being said, nitz has jumped into the small car market with a 2008 VW City Jetta...I know I know, I have the MK4 with some hideous front end, but I like it...its spacious for a tall guy like me and gets way better gas mileage than my pig 2007 Ford Freestyle...and with some personal changes in my life I don't need the CUV type space anymore, as well I get to go back to $55-$60 fillups and get more distance out of that tank now than I did before filling up for $80+ and getting around 550-600km in the city.

Anywho, gas prices hover around 126.9 in these parts...


Gone
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said by nitzguy:

I remember this!! As a younger person driving my parents 1992 Ford Tempo...I4....2.3L engine apparently with a WHOPPING 98hp!!! That would explain why when I pulled off this manuever on some road trips that the car didn't really speed up that much lol.

I had a 1992 Topaz with the 3L Vulcan V6. Being a light car to begin with, it went zoom a lot better when you floored it than the I4s did.

Robrr

join:2008-04-19
Guelph, ON
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Interesting bit on TGPT.ca today about gas prices:

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Please note that because credit card charges now take 2.5 cents a litre away from the retailer’s bottom line, (thanks for allowing this abuse Ottawa!) we have revised upwards what a gas retailer needs to survive: a minimum of 6 cents a litre as a retail margin. Anything below this is uneconomical. As such, with refiners/wholesalers taking as much as 20 cents a litre net to turn crude into product, retailers are left with a paltry 3 cents. Deduct credit card charges (2.5 cents) and you can see why a lack of transparency in what truly makes up the cost of a litre of gas, due to Ottawa’s indifference, leaves most gas stations that are not supported by their refiner-supplier, vulnerable and facing bankruptcy.

This problem lies at the heart of why TGPT was created. The deck is stacked against the independent, hard working, innovative retailer, in favour of the fat cats who have worked together to keep Ottawa’s competition regulators snoozing and aloof. This is also why you are paying more for gas this year, despite a strengthened currency and cheaper crude. Have a look at the price of crude last year …. $15 more and yet pump prices were 4 cents less!

peterboro
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Except retailers use gas as a loss leader or break even proposition to engage consumers in the more lucrative peripheral sales inside.

Robrr

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Guelph, ON
said by peterboro:

Except retailers use gas as a loss leader or break even proposition to engage consumers in the more lucrative peripheral sales inside.

I think you may be accurate when it comes to the big oil stations (Esso, Shell, Petro-Canada, etc) however I'm not so sure about that when it comes to the smaller independent retailers. I can't see the place I regularily fill up relying on in-store sales to keep the place afloat as it is a smaller independent convenience store.

peterboro
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said by Robrr:

said by peterboro:

Except retailers use gas as a loss leader or break even proposition to engage consumers in the more lucrative peripheral sales inside.

I think you may be accurate when it comes to the big oil stations (Esso, Shell, Petro-Canada, etc) however I'm not so sure about that when it comes to the smaller independent retailers. I can't see the place I regularily fill up relying on in-store sales to keep the place afloat as it is a smaller independent convenience store.

You are correct in the differentiation between the two business models. Given the dynamics of the industry it will be incumbent upon smaller independents to justify higher prices based on customer service alone or try to capitalize on increased inside sales.


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I hate when the press gets a hold of these things, the moment they start yapping about cheap gas the price goes through the roof.

Never expected it to get that low for that one reason.

I've noticed about a 8c increase in the last week from 1.14 to 1.22.

Merry Christmas from the speculators who love to fuck with the natural order of things.
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Riplin

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reply to Xstar_Lumini
4 hours 40mins to christmas and I filled up today at 127.9. So much for that sub 99c gas


Mike2009

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$1.15 in Ottawa.

peterboro
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reply to elwoodblues
said by elwoodblues:

Merry Christmas from the speculators who love to fuck with the natural order of things.

What do you care about the price of gas it's not like you have a job or anywhere important to go.

Warez_Zealot

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said by Riplin:

4 hours 40mins to christmas and I filled up today at 127.9. So much for that sub 99c gas

You can toss "Analysts" in the same group as guys who hang around the horse stables at the race tracks trying to gather information to get an edge on the next race.

I know for a fact that no one predicted my company being bought out, and the next day it was announced the bottom feeders were hounding our company for info to see if a counter offer would be coming in from another buyer. Now apparently our company is the stock to watch for 2012.... (We're going private if this goes through.... lol)
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shaner
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reply to Riplin
said by Riplin:

4 hours 40mins to christmas and I filled up today at 127.9. So much for that sub 99c gas

98.9 here in Calgary.


Styvas
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My friend posted a pic of the pump in Lethbridge a week or so ago at 95.9. We're at about 119.9 here in Hamilton. I'm glad for that, but sub 1.00 would be nice.


Juggernaut
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$1.169 here in Kelowna for the past week or so.


Gone
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I saw 112 in Welland. Close but no cigar.

Prices have come down a lot in the US though from where when this discussion started, though. I would argue that prices *should* be lower up here, but the distributors are profit taking and not passing the savings on to us. No one should be surprised by that.


I_H8_Spam

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St Catharines, ON
Its all about delivering increased (record) profits in order for the executive to make their bonus clauses.

Years (decades) of short sighted energy policy-making has allowed a few corporations a stranglehold on the domestic energy supply. If you were in a competition removed high profit/high volume business wouldn't you take advantage of your good fortune.

Wasn't Esso 2.2 billion in net profit 2011?
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reply to Styvas
I did get gas for $1.12 last week, which is about $1.035 before the PST portion of HST. Under $1.00/litre if you exclude sales tax.
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Kitlope

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Edmonton, Ab
reply to Xstar_Lumini
95.9 here in Edmonton. Makes me wanna go for a long drive just to fill up at these prices!


Guspaz
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Montreal gas price: 132 cents. About the same as when this thread started.
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And the games begin anew, prices for gas are expected to be very high cone the new year? Why you ask? Something blow up? Another could be, maybe crisis in the middle east? Nope this time the excuse is the "fiscal cliff" the Yanks will encounter.

Guess some execs are concerned about being dinged for more taxes and decided to fatten the paycheque to compensate.

Fucken thieves is what comes together to mind.

»www.thestar.com/news/gta/article···ar-s-day
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No, I didn't. Honest... I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake.......