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elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
·EarthLink

1 recommendation

reply to WHT

Re: Overages ! Ca ching

said by WHT:

At $10 per 1 GB, I can see that working very well for Verizon investors.

Nope. Redbox Home Fusion streams will be off-net, toll-free, overage-exempt bulk-rate, forward-cached, etc.

Contrary to the drivel we read here daily, Verizon does not want overage charges; they want you to pay a hefty premium for their basic service and add-ons, but nothing punitive. That's bad for business.


WHT

join:2010-03-26
Rosston, TX
kudos:5

Ahhh....the same excuse cable used to get around the Net Neutrality restriction.

Guess no one learned anything from the FCC slapping down Madison River.


silbaco
Premium
join:2009-08-03
USA
reply to elray

I think they just want money and don't really care how they get it. And despite what a lot of people say about massive profits, their profit margin is really not that impressive.


Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
reply to elray

Off-net - You mean in an intertube that violates net neutrality rules?

How are you and they going to try to skirt this one?

Are they going to attach all redbox's to their "local" intranet and call it local traffic?

Are they going to deliver it on the same "channel" as cable TV or PPV and say it isnt internet traffic?


PastTense

join:2011-07-06
united state
reply to elray

Verizon is in the business of maximizing profits. So if Verizon can make more money from customers streaming from Netflix (via $10/GB overage charges) than from streaming from Redbox/Verizon (via a $8-10 monthly fee) then it will prefer the first option.



bobjohnson
Premium
join:2007-02-03
Orlando, FL
Reviews:
·AT&T U-Verse
·T-Mobile US
·Sprint Mobile Br..
reply to Skippy25

said by Skippy25:

Off-net - You mean in an intertube that violates net neutrality rules?

How are you and they going to try to skirt this one?

Are they going to attach all redbox's to their "local" intranet and call it local traffic?

Are they going to deliver it on the same "channel" as cable TV or PPV and say it isnt internet traffic?

Just like the other companies with iptv and VoIP, that have internet caps. (ex. Uverse)
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elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
·EarthLink
reply to Skippy25

said by Skippy25:

Off-net - You mean in an intertube that violates net neutrality rules?

How are you and they going to try to skirt this one?

Are they going to attach all redbox's to their "local" intranet and call it local traffic?

Are they going to deliver it on the same "channel" as cable TV or PPV and say it isnt internet traffic?

Even assuming that Verizon had to observe Network Neutrality "rules" on Home Fusion, which they don't, NN only applies to Internet (capital-I) routed data, not private traffic.

elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
·EarthLink
reply to silbaco

said by silbaco:

I think they just want money and don't really care how they get it. And despite what a lot of people say about massive profits, their profit margin is really not that impressive.

They want the extra add-on revenue from Redbox.
Not overage charges.

As for margins, if they were "massive", or enjoyed "record profits", as the envious bankrupt socialist media likes to refer to, then another "greedy" firm would enter the market in pursuit of those dollars. We've seen how well Sprint and TMobile have fared.

elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
·EarthLink
reply to PastTense

said by PastTense:

Verizon is in the business of maximizing profits. So if Verizon can make more money from customers streaming from Netflix (via $10/GB overage charges) than from streaming from Redbox/Verizon (via a $8-10 monthly fee) then it will prefer the first option.

Wrong. Overage charges kill goodwill and beget turnover - Mom cancels the whole account and/or learns about prepaid. With iPhone customers worth at least $2K/each, no company is looking to offend over $10/gb; they want your $120/month and your two-year renewal.

Only Sprint has officially fired customers, and they paid for it.


KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
Premium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
reply to elray

Ever heard of barriers to entry?

The biggest problem with the Laissez-faire market theory is that it always assumes that at any time anyone can enter business and increase the supply of choices and competition. Since that isn't true, the rest of it also fails.
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"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini


elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
·EarthLink

said by KrK:

Ever heard of barriers to entry?

The biggest problem with the Laissez-faire market theory is that it always assumes that at any time anyone can enter business and increase the supply of choices and competition. Since that isn't true, the rest of it also fails.

Sprint-Nextel-Clear, TMobile, MetroPCS, Leap, Cricket, and to some extent, America Movil prove that those "barriers" are surmountable.

Lamiel

join:2008-04-05
Saint Johns, MI
Reviews:
·Skyweb Online
reply to elray

Nope. Redbox Home Fusion streams will be off-net, toll-free, overage-exempt bulk-rate, forward-cached, etc.

Has that been confirmed by Verizon? Last I heard the terms of the plan were a complete unknown...
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elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
·EarthLink

said by Lamiel:

Nope. Redbox Home Fusion streams will be off-net, toll-free, overage-exempt bulk-rate, forward-cached, etc.

Has that been confirmed by Verizon? Last I heard the terms of the plan were a complete unknown...

Pure speculation.


KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
Premium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
reply to elray

Actually, they are proving that the barriers aren't surmountable.

Thus why so many MVNO's.


elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
·EarthLink

said by KrK:

Actually, they are proving that the barriers aren't surmountable.

Thus why so many MVNO's.

The existence of MVNO's only further prove that the barriers are surmountable.


KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
Premium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK

Circular argument is circular.