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Cartel
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Re: Guilford Co. voters say ballot cast for Romney came up Obama


Military Absentee Ballots Not Always Counted

Thousands of absentee ballots cast by military service personnel often go uncounted, according to election experts who say the problem has always existed but is even more of an issue in presidential election years

The project, which tracks military votes, found in 2010 that only 4.5 percent of the 2 million military and overseas voters reported to the Election Assistance Commission were able to cast absentee ballots that were actually counted. Meanwhile, the overall national voter participation rate for the 2010 election was 41.6 percent.

»www.newsmax.com/US/absentee-ball···d/443513


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Re: Military Absentee Ballots Not Always Counted

I know all Americans want our men and women serving in the Armed Forces the opportunity to vote.

From the your linked article, it sounds like the problem is similar to civilian Americans who move frequently and forget to advise their local jurisdictions of a change of address, or re-register in their new place of residence.



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Re: Guilford Co. voters say ballot cast for Romney came up Obama

Now in Ohio...it selects Obama when Romney it pressed.
Coincidence?

»www.marionstar.com/article/20121···_check=1

MARION — Joan Stevens was one of several early voters at the polls on Monday. But when Stevens tried to cast her ballot for president, she noticed a problem.

Upon selecting “Mitt Romney” on the electronic touch screen, Barack Obama’s name lit up.

It took Stevens three tries before her selection was accurately recorded.

“You want to vote for who you want to vote for, and when you can’t it’s irritating,” Stevens said.

Stevens said she alerted Jackie Smith, a board of elections member who was present. Smith declined to comment, but Stevens says she mentioned that the machine had been having problems all day



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"Are you sure you want to vote for...
Yes
Are you really really sure you want to vote for...
YES
For real?
YES YES YES!
Come on now. I'm sure you'd rather vote for...
WTF?
Ok ok. I'll cast you vote then.
. o O (Finally)
Just to check. Are you sure you're sure?
Oh f... it!
Hello?"
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Wow whats going on ?

Researchers found a consistent pattern of vote flipping for Mitt Romney in the 2012 Republican primaries. Will that transfer to the general election, asks Michael Collins?

A group of independent researchers caught a pattern of apparent vote flipping during the 2012 Republican primaries that consistently favored Mitt Romney. A form of election fraud, vote flipping occurs when votes are changed from one candidate to another or several others during electronic voting and vote tabulation.

»www.americanpolitics.com/index.p···Itemid=2

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGEBwAIlAdU

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And so the setting of the stage to overturn the vote of the people has now officially begun:

»www.rgj.com/article/20121101/NEW···ext|NEWS



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said by armed:

And so the setting of the stage to overturn the vote of the people has now officially begun ...

Unless, of course, some of the votes of 'the people' are fraudulent or have been incorrectly entered... or the "voters" are unregistered, dead, or non-existent. There are always two sides to every issue, and much of the time, there will be at least some validity to both sides' charges. As proven in almost every election, corruption and voter fraud cross party lines.
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said by Blackbird:

said by armed:

And so the setting of the stage to overturn the vote of the people has now officially begun ...

Unless, of course, some of the votes of 'the people' are fraudulent or have been incorrectly entered... or the "voters" are unregistered, dead, or non-existent. There are always two sides to every issue, and much of the time, there will be at least some validity to both sides' charges. As proven in almost every election, corruption and voter fraud cross party lines.

And yet no one ever proves it. Oh well who cares?


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said by armed:

said by Blackbird:

said by armed:

And so the setting of the stage to overturn the vote of the people has now officially begun ...

Unless, of course, some of the votes of 'the people' are fraudulent or have been incorrectly entered... or the "voters" are unregistered, dead, or non-existent. There are always two sides to every issue, and much of the time, there will be at least some validity to both sides' charges. As proven in almost every election, corruption and voter fraud cross party lines.

And yet no one ever proves it. ...

Hmm. Many of the 492,000 Google hits on "voter fraud convictions" would seem to indicate otherwise.
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said by Blackbird:

As proven in almost every election, corruption and voter fraud cross party lines.

And that is especially true in close elections. Since this one comes down to the results in a handful of states expect questionable stuff to happen in those states. On Nov 7th expect all sides to be screaming no matter who wins.
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said by Blackbird:

Hmm. Many of the 492,000 Google hits on "voter fraud convictions" would seem to indicate otherwise.

Just as a matter of curiosity, judging by the ~ 4,990,000 Google hits on "tax fraud convictions" there is 10x more tax fraud being caught than voter fraud.

Maybe the IRS should be put in charge of vote auditing LOL


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said by Snowy:

Maybe the IRS should be put in charge of vote auditing...

If that happens I might have to do an Alec Baldwin
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Dozens of voters in Pueblo County, Colorado have claimed electronic voting machines have changed their votes for Mitt Romney to votes for President Barack Obama.

A voter told KRDO Newschannel 13 that a checkmark appeared next to Obama's name after she cast her vote for Romney.

"I wonder where my vote really counted," she stated.

Pueblo County Clerk and Recorder Gilbert Ortiz admitted he was aware of "fewer than ten instances" of votes being switched and conceded such errors have occurred since the county has used the electronic voting machines in 2006. He blamed those changes on human error.

»www.breitbart.com/Big-Government···To-Obama



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said by Cartel:

Dozens of voters in Pueblo County, Colorado have claimed electronic voting machines have changed their votes for Mitt Romney to votes for President Barack Obama.

Call me a cynic, but I'm sure if the names were reversed, that is people selecting Obama and the machines light up Romney's name, we would be seeing this broadcast 24x7 on the news channels.

It seems, that since these "errors" tend to favor Obama, the MSM is treating this as a non-story.

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said by beerbum:

It seems, that since these "errors" tend to favor Obama, the MSM is treating this as a non-story.

Right, because it's well-known that all multimillionaire media-conglomerate owners, with the exception of the patron saint of phone-hackers, Dirty Digger Murdoch, are in the bag for democratic govenments.

This is the perennial whine of conservative extremists everywhere: the meeja don't like them. Poor babies.


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said by dave:

said by beerbum:

It seems, that since these "errors" tend to favor Obama, the MSM is treating this as a non-story.

Right, because it's well-known that all multimillionaire media-conglomerate owners, with the exception of the patron saint of phone-hackers, Dirty Digger Murdoch, are in the bag for democratic govenments.

This is the perennial whine of conservative extremists everywhere: the meeja don't like them. Poor babies.

Not all, but a fair number of them. Which is why they're so silent on the subject of Benghazi, for example. A security issue to the nth degree, and covered far more thoroughly in the foreign press than here at home.

I don't care which flavor you vote, but that remark was inaccurate.


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said by Cartel:

Dozens of voters in Pueblo County, Colorado have claimed electronic voting machines have changed their votes for Mitt Romney to votes for President Barack Obama.

A voter told KRDO Newschannel 13 that a checkmark appeared next to Obama's name after she cast her vote for Romney.

"I wonder where my vote really counted," she stated.

Pueblo County Clerk and Recorder Gilbert Ortiz admitted he was aware of "fewer than ten instances" of votes being switched and conceded such errors have occurred since the county has used the electronic voting machines in 2006. He blamed those changes on human error.

»www.breitbart.com/Big-Government···To-Obama

»www.krdo.com/news/Pueblo-voting-···dex.html

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State officials have been testing electronic voting terminals in Pueblo after some voters complained that when they tried to cast a ballot for Mitt Romney, the terminal indicated the vote was for Barack Obama.

Our partner, The Pueblo Chieftain reports (»bit.ly/Yz9ilN) that specialists from the Secretary of State's Office tested 10 of the 30 terminals Monday. They found the machines were sensitive to accidental touches but weren't deliberately diverting votes from one candidate to another.

The newspaper reports all erroneous votes were corrected with the help of an election judge.

The terminals twice ask voters to review their ballot choices for accuracy. Voters can correct the choices before the vote is cast.
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As voting machines go, I much prefer the machines we use here, which use robust pushbuttons to select one's candidate choice. One of the issues with the touch screen machines is that the zone of sensitivity for selecting a given candidate does not necessarily correspond to the visible area of the selection box (which is why these machines sometimes need to be "re-calibrated"... that is, the system are re-tweaked to make the touch zone boundaries correspond to the correct choice). The order in which candidates are listed and where the race is located amidst the overall ballot layout can impact calibration errors and which way a mis-read vote tends to go, since it affects where on the screen the system reads the choice boxes to be, relative to the competitor's name.

One thing about a button... it either successfully pushes or it doesn't (in which case the selection light won't come on). I've never heard of a pushbutton lighting up for the wrong candidate, though I've heard of them not registering at all (due to a bad switch).
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Here's how touchscreens killed Romney votes

»www.wnd.com/2012/11/heres-how-to···politics



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This country has a long...very long and persistent permanent without a break history of voter fraud plus secondarily incompetent polling and counting votes, plus to a lesser degree but growing IMO in percentage totally incompetent votes. In fact there are certain states and or large counties that you can bank on confusion and inexplicable delayed results, lost ballots, all sort of wild irregularities.

Regarding strictly voter fraud and cheating using various means both parties as a matter of routine cheat in various areas various ways and many candidates in a particular election cheat or try to cheat on their own initiative.

The strange thing is that the above is not a secret. Never has been. Not ever. It get acknowledged each election and reported on and no body cares or get involved on a wide scale national lets reform it level. About the only real exception was the when after all the less than perfect system was implemented one single state happen to end up being the one and only state that in a neck and neck race created all our country's focus right up eventually to the state and the the US Supreme Court---why simply because in this one instance in black and white no nonsense the vote winner in this state, Florida, 2000, would decide the presidency.

With advancements in technology and certain other changes and modifications in registration and polling procedures or laws plus ballot types the reliability, accuracy and validity of the total count will only get worse.

Again all parties cheat equally. The one and only thing they agree on. (Unofficially, of course.)


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If they cheat equally, as you say, then it is not a problem.



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said by Oedipus:

If they cheat equally, as you say, then it is not a problem.

That's nonsense, and no basis on which to build our elected government.
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said by Krisnatharok:

said by Oedipus:

If they cheat equally, as you say, then it is not a problem.

That's nonsense, and no basis on which to build our elected government.

The only real way I can see to get control of this cat herding we call elections is to create a non-partisan, independent, and national elections commission that is responsible for setting up and running elections nation wide. Add to this universal enfranchisement and continuous voter verification to ensure that as people move between jurisdictions, that they are automatically removed from their od districts and added to their new districts.

If we can do this with driver's licenses and taxes, we sure as *** can do it with voter registration and verification...
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By law only American citizens can vote, and they are only allowed to vote one time in each election. They also cannot have someone acting as their proxy vote for them.

That means:

When a person registers at the very least for the first time it probably would be a good idea that they provide verification that they are citizens.

Also, when or wherever they vote they should show proof of address as that will determine the polling location where they may vote at if they vote in person instead of by absentee ballot. This is to insure that voters actually vote just one time in an election.

When they go to the polls their names are on the list those registered to vote for that polling place. It probably would b a good idea that when the Frank Q. Voter shows up, and gives his name he show proof that he is in fact Frank Q. Voter.

Well we can't do or implement any of that nonsense! Don't you know it will disenfranchise the voter and interfere with democracy! I mean those procedures, requirements or steps ranks right up there with denying people to vote based on race and gender.

Seriously, the fact you have people strenuously opposing or fighting over that listed is pathetic. It is also some of the many reasons why cheating or fraud in various forms will continue to thrive as it has in the past.


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said by Blogger:

When a person registers at the very least for the first time it probably would be a good idea that they provide verification that they are citizens.

Side question: what is such proof, for a natural-born American? I think only your birth certificate would suffice.


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said by dave:

said by Blogger:

When a person registers at the very least for the first time it probably would be a good idea that they provide verification that they are citizens.

Side question: what is such proof, for a natural-born American? I think only your birth certificate would suffice.

Or perhaps a secure document that itself requires a birth certificate to obtain (such as a passport or a Fed-compliant driver's license).
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said by coldmoon:

The only real way I can see to get control of this cat herding we call elections is to create a non-partisan, independent, and national elections commission that is responsible for setting up and running elections nation wide. Add to this universal enfranchisement and continuous voter verification to ensure that as people move between jurisdictions, that they are automatically removed from their od districts and added to their new districts.

IMHO the biggest problem with contemporary elections is - it's not the people, who vote, it's the money. It especially becomes vivid after infamous citizens united ruling... As a result of the ruling, huge amount of money now is allowed to skew any decisions we make. Here is example. In CA past several months there was a huge stream of ads bought by lobbies and directed against proposition, that required to put a label on food, made with genetically modified products. With huge amount of money provided for ads from lobbies people have decided - no, we don't want to know what we eat... I guess next time some interests will propose to remove the "Nutrition Facts" label and with big money provided we probably will decide to remove it too. Or may be "Made in USA" will go next, to allow flood of products from China come here and replace our own products unnoticed. Under the money influence we start going backwards, don't you think?

The only solution to make our decisions wise is to remove money from its ruling position in election process. Lets allow any person, any corporation to donate any amount of money to election process. Then candidates will get fair share of the money from that election pool to spend to promote their ideas. We, The People, should decide what is better for this country, not the money...
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said by OZO:

said by coldmoon:

The only real way I can see to get control of this cat herding we call elections is to create a non-partisan, independent, and national elections commission that is responsible for setting up and running elections nation wide. Add to this universal enfranchisement and continuous voter verification to ensure that as people move between jurisdictions, that they are automatically removed from their od districts and added to their new districts.

... The only solution to make our decisions wise is to remove money from its ruling position in election process. Lets allow any person, any corporation to donate any amount of money to election process. Then candidates will get fair share of the money from that election pool to spend to promote their ideas. We, The People, should decide what is better for this country, not the money...

Which is where it all breaks down. What is a "fair share"? The exact same payout for each candidate, or for candidates from just the two big parties? Or a proportional payout to any candidate based on... what? His affiliated party's turnout in the last prior election? (In which case a minor third-party candidate will always get a minor share of the payouts, remaining forever locked into a minor-party class.) What about an independent candidate with no party affiliation, or those attempting to mount write-in campaigns? And on referendums, who qualifies to receive a "pro" or a "con" positional payout?

We the People do decide what is better for the country. It's just that many of the "we" don't always choose wisely, being swayed by everything from massive campaign or 'position' advertising to free cell phones (or bus rides, or even hamburgers) to whatever scheme d'jour is conjured up by various party politicos and their ad agencies or affiliated lobbies in each election. But, wise or not, the choice remains ours. What is actually most-needed are some critical thinking skills and a willingness for voters to sift through all the nonsense to some basic truths... but those are a lot harder to come by than simply conjuring up more rules and regulations that end up really accomplishing nothing.
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said by dave:

said by Blogger:

When a person registers at the very least for the first time it probably would be a good idea that they provide verification that they are citizens.

Side question: what is such proof, for a natural-born American? I think only your birth certificate would suffice.

That may be correct. Does one during the process of and upon completing the naturalization process and upon taking the oath not get some type of documentation to confirm that they are citizens? I don't know but I would guess they must considering the intensity of the process. But even if they do not certainly it would be a minor effort to insert that result into the process for the future. There are many options but why not in the process include provisions for them getting a passport upon completing it. Just a suggestion. I'm not limiting the concept to it must be a passport simply offering it up as one of many possible solutions. But look at also the benefit to the new citizen of in the process of getting that citizenship at the end they also have a passport. That is potentially a great benefit to them.

Then of course there is the federal government struggling to implement the Real ID Law that if successfully implemented or some off shoot version of it would solve that problem.

The bottom line is that the nation should and has been over time with increasing efforts been working toward seeing that every one is this country have proof that they are who they say they are and their citizenship or for non-citizens that when necessary can show that they are here legally. (For instance if applying to a work position with an employer.)

Certainly, our ID technology is evolving but needs improvement. We are one of the few if only Western or First World countries that do not have some form of ID that functions as a national ID card.


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You miss the point of what I am saying. Our current ad-hock process is a chaotic joke. Each district sets its own process guided by State rules that have no standards to refer to or guide anyone through the process. We spend time yelling at others to get their act together while we can't find our shoes in the middle of an empty room.

There needs to be one consistent national standard that all districts must follow or be fined/face jail time for not following. This process in turn needs to be staffed with non-partisan professionals whose only focus is to run and police elections where local, corrupt party machines have no say in how they do their jobs...period...
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