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cowboyro
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Re: Generator Time!!!

said by ptrowski:

I would eventually have the transfer switch wired in as well.

Get an interlock if possible. Much easier to use, much cheaper to install. You just backfeed the existing panel and can use any of the circuits you have instead of choosing 6-10 you need most.


alkizmo

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Pierrefonds, QC
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said by cowboyro:

instead of choosing 6-10 you need most.

Yeah, that's a double edge sword.
Wait until your distracted wife tries to start the AC or the dryer

I have a fuse panel so I had no choice but to get a transfer switch (Which added a lot of room for extra circuits as a bonus). I made sure that no heavy load circuits were going to get fed by the generator. I just KNOW my wife would try to cook or use the dryer just because the lights are on.

As for "cheaper", well I saw some interlock kit prices. Some were as cheap as 50$, but some were as much as 150$. My transfer switch cost me 150$. Sure I needed breakers for it, but as I said, to me it was adding room for new circuits. My fuse panel only has 18 slots for 120V. My transfer switch added 24 more spaces.


Zorack

join:2001-12-14
Fayetteville, WV
reply to SwedishRider

Just curious what size generator would I need to run my ac/heat pump in addition to all the other stuff I would need(refrig,tvs,computers,and lights?)
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said by Zorack:

Just curious what size generator would I need to run my ac/heat pump in addition to all the other stuff I would need(refrig,tvs,computers,and lights?)

I'll let the pros give details on that one.
You'll probably need to give info on the ratings of the pump.
The "wild card" in this is the starting wattage needed when the pump kicks in. It can be pretty massive compared to what it needs once it is running.

With my little 3000W generator (4000W starting) is strained to start my furnace blower (1/3hp) while the refrigerator is running.
I can imagine a 2T AC needing 8700W to start up.
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dennismurphy
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I've got a 5500 watt gas generator on "temporarily permanent" loan in my garage. Long-term goal is to get a natural gas fired generator installed, but for now, the 5500 watt unit will do.

I just ordered an L14-20p-to-(4x)NEMA5-20 cable. Two of the NEMA5-20's are off one hot leg of the L14-20p, and the other two are from the other leg.

This will let me run at least the furnace, sump pump and fridge. Anything else is just gravy. If I can keep the FiOS ONT running, that's even better.

I hesitate to install an interlock kit or transfer panel now, since ideally, I'd install something more permanent with the natgas setup. The extension cord setup will at least let me keep the house functional, above freezing (not that it's a concern this particular week) and not flooded. Anything else is a nice-to-have.

Here's to hoping Hurricane Sandy changes her mind and leaves us alone!



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Lucky for me the power companies repair depot is about 1 mile away so when we lose power it's #1 to restore. The longest power has been down in 3 hours so far. I want a generator I just can't justify it given the fast power repairs.
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cowboyro
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reply to alkizmo

said by alkizmo:

said by cowboyro:

instead of choosing 6-10 you need most.

Yeah, that's a double edge sword.
Wait until your distracted wife tries to start the AC or the dryer

No problem. My generator starts a 2.5ton compressor. Dryer only takes 4500W or so on high heat.
said by alkizmo:

As for "cheaper", well I saw some interlock kit prices. Some were as cheap as 50$, but some were as much as 150$. My transfer switch cost me 150$.

I'd venture to guess that for most people there would be an electrician involved. Labor is expen$ive. Installing an interlock takes 30min total. Moving circuits from the panel to the transfer panel can be a surprise if the wires are too short.


ptrowski
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Mind me asking what an interlock is?



dosdoxies
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said by cowboyro:

said by ptrowski:

I would eventually have the transfer switch wired in as well.

Get an interlock if possible. Much easier to use, much cheaper to install. You just backfeed the existing panel and can use any of the circuits you have instead of choosing 6-10 you need most.

In my case, I went with a Square D generator panel as I was out of spaces in my main panel and I was able to gain 6 spaces by giving up 2 in the main panel. This was cheaper and easier than changing the main panel. The circuits in my genny panel are heater (oil furnace), sump pump, freezer and refrigerator, kitchen (for microwave and coffer maker), and general lighting.
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alkizmo

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reply to cowboyro

said by cowboyro:

I'd venture to guess that for most people there would be an electrician involved. Labor is expen$ive. Installing an interlock takes 30min total. Moving circuits from the panel to the transfer panel can be a surprise if the wires are too short.

I admit that you're right.

I required a LOT of hand holding from Whizkid when I installed my transfer switch. I did also have issues with wires being too short to move certain circuits (Situation easily remedied by Whizkid's solutions as well).

I feel it would be a piece of cake to do it again, but it isn't simple to do it the first time.

said by dosdoxies:

In my case, I went with a Square D generator panel as I was out of spaces in my main panel and I was able to gain 6 spaces by giving up 2 in the main panel. This was cheaper and easier than changing the main panel. The circuits in my genny panel are heater (oil furnace), sump pump, freezer and refrigerator, kitchen (for microwave and coffer maker), and general lighting.

You should have went for a bigger transfer switch if you wanted more circuit space

What does the big red button do? I wanna touch it.


cowboyro
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said by ptrowski:

Mind me asking what an interlock is?

It's a device that prevents having both the main and the generator breakers on at the same time. Look at the last picture of the OP, it's the metallic piece between the main breaker and the top-right breaker. I have exactly the same panel and interlock.


cowboyro
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said by Zorack:

Just curious what size generator would I need to run my ac/heat pump in addition to all the other stuff I would need(refrig,tvs,computers,and lights?)

I have a 7200W running generator. No issue starting a 2.5 ton unit. It's only the startup that's a high load, after it gets running the load drops significantly.
Ideally you don't run a heat pump, you go on auxiliary oil/propane. And if you HAVE to use the AC, you can set the temperature down few degrees so it runs once to cool and then you can turn it up and be set for few hours.


dosdoxies
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reply to alkizmo

said by alkizmo:

You should have went for a bigger transfer switch if you wanted more circuit space

What does the big red button do? I wanna touch it.

What part don't you understand? I only needed a few more spaces so I gave up two in my main panel and gained 6 in the genny panel.
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alkizmo

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said by dosdoxies:

What part don't you understand? I only needed a few more spaces so I gave up two in my main panel and gained 6 in the genny panel.

Just saying...
Depending of the cost of a bigger panel, the extra space might become useful a few years down the line.

So what's the button for?


dosdoxies
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said by alkizmo:

said by dosdoxies:

What part don't you understand? I only needed a few more spaces so I gave up two in my main panel and gained 6 in the genny panel.

Just saying...
Depending of the cost of a bigger panel, the extra space might become useful a few years down the line.

So what's the button for?

That's not a button. It's just a piece of red tape to denote that the breaker is utility fed. As far as the cost of the panel, I picked it up off ebay for like $30 new with the two main breakers in it.


ptrowski
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Thanks, was reading up on them in the meantime. I went to The Depot and was able to get the generator I linked to, transfe switches etc were all sold out.



alkizmo

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reply to dosdoxies

said by dosdoxies:

That's not a button. It's just a piece of red tape to denote that the breaker is utility fed. As far as the cost of the panel, I picked it up off ebay for like $30 new with the two main breakers in it.

No no, not the tape, that red lighted circle at the bottom of the imagine... well, maybe it's just a red status light.

As for the transfer switch, okay for 30$ you can't go wrong.

said by ptrowski:

Thanks, was reading up on them in the meantime. I went to The Depot and was able to get the generator I linked to, transfe switches etc were all sold out.

Go to other hardware stores, you'll find one. I doubt those fly off the shelf as fast as generators. People buy generators before a storm, not knowing that a transfer switch would help.

zippoboy7

join:2006-06-18
USA
reply to dosdoxies

said by dosdoxies:

said by cowboyro:

said by ptrowski:

I would eventually have the transfer switch wired in as well.

Get an interlock if possible. Much easier to use, much cheaper to install. You just backfeed the existing panel and can use any of the circuits you have instead of choosing 6-10 you need most.

In my case, I went with a Square D generator panel as I was out of spaces in my main panel and I was able to gain 6 spaces by giving up 2 in the main panel. This was cheaper and easier than changing the main panel. The circuits in my genny panel are heater (oil furnace), sump pump, freezer and refrigerator, kitchen (for microwave and coffer maker), and general lighting.

I did basically the same thing only I just bought that little metal bracket that sits between the 2 breakers and put it in my sub-panel. I had to move a few circuits around but in the event of a prolonged outage I can always back-feed the main panel by removing the bracket and turning off the main if I need to do something like use the washer\dryer or run the AC. I have most of the kitchen (Lights, Microwave, Fridge and a few receptacles), Garage (Door Opener, a few receptacles and Freezer), Gas Furnace, Sumppump, all my network gear (FiOS ONT, Router, WiFi), my office (3 PCs, 1 Server and lights), the TV w/ STB in the family room and the whole house fan. All told more then enough to stay comfortable during an outage.

All that said, the last outage that we had was for about 1 hour during the last tropical storm that came through, the power company restored the fuse that was knocked out during the storm and when all was said and done we were the only block of houses as far as you could see in any direction with lights for a week. It just pays to have a generator ready to go, you will never loose power for a long period again. Sadly I have noticed more and more houses adding generators so with that trend I suspect the next one will be bad.


alkizmo

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Pierrefonds, QC
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said by zippoboy7:

Sadly I have noticed more and more houses adding generators so with that trend I suspect the next one will be bad.

Actually, people's personal trend when they buy a generator, is that they never get to need it

So ..... clear skies!


dosdoxies
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reply to alkizmo

said by alkizmo:

said by dosdoxies:

That's not a button. It's just a piece of red tape to denote that the breaker is utility fed. As far as the cost of the panel, I picked it up off ebay for like $30 new with the two main breakers in it.

No no, not the tape, that red lighted circle at the bottom of the imagine... well, maybe it's just a red status light.

As for the transfer switch, okay for 30$ you can't go wrong.

That's a little neon light plugged into the receptacle for the sump pump. I can just glance over and make sure that the breaker for the pump is still on and hasn't tripped. I have one on my freezer receptacle as well.
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Jeffrey
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said by ptrowski:

I was actually thinking abotu picking this up. Thoughts?

»www.homedepot.com/Electrical-Alt···_reviews

That's the one I bought a few months ago. It works well.
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ptrowski
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Awesome, thanks Jeff. The reviews sounded great.



Jeffrey
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said by ptrowski:

Awesome, thanks Jeff. The reviews sounded great.

You're welcome. I'm happy with it, works as designed, but not many hours on the ticker yet. Yamaha engine is nice - quiet enough. (I had it on in my backyard and I could hear it, but not that well, in my front yard.) With it on in the backyard and me in the front, it sounded like one of the landscaper crews running a lawn mower a few houses away; the noise is not an issue all things considered.

After Irene, even though I paid $1,000 for this a few months ago, nothing would thrill me more than not using the generator this time. I'd rather no storm.
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alkizmo

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Pierrefonds, QC
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said by Jeffrey:

After Irene, even though I paid $1,000 for this a few months ago, nothing would thrill me more than not using the generator this time. I'd rather no storm.

Kinda like when I bought my first snow thrower, I was excited to get a lot of snow.

When the 2011-2012 winter turned out to be a flop, I contemplated on this: Those who paid for a snow removal service got very little for their money. On the other hand, my snow thrower got very little mileage, meaning it is going to last "longer".

itguy05

join:2005-06-17
Carlisle, PA
reply to SwedishRider

Since it sounds like Sandy may wallop us here in Central PA...

Just got gas for our Chicago Electric tonight. Filled it, ran it for about 10 minutes under 3/4 load to get things moving. Started and ran like a champ.

Only thing was sticker shock on gas. We were all out as I just rotated it in the wife's car on Sunday. 12 gallons was $42. And I still need to get 5 more tomorrow.

Also starting the other preparations - charging batteries, moving patio furniture inside, etc. All things we need to do anyway but it's getting rushed because of Sandy.



SwedishRider
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reply to ptrowski

said by ptrowski:

I would eventually have the transfer switch wired in as well.

PM'd you.


alkizmo

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Pierrefonds, QC
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reply to itguy05

said by itguy05:

All things we need to do anyway but it's getting rushed because of Sandy.

Don't forget Mr. Sump Pumpy and Mrs. Gutter


Jack_in_VA
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said by itguy05:

Since it sounds like Sandy may wallop us here in Central PA...

Only thing was sticker shock on gas. We were all out as I just rotated it in the wife's car on Sunday. 12 gallons was $42. And I still need to get 5 more tomorrow.

Gas is $3.38/gal here but ethanol free is $4.25/gal. Going to get 12 gal tomorrow.


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European modeling now has Sandy taking a hard left hook, making landfall in your neck of the woods Jack... and that model has been scary accurate for Irene, the October 2011 snowstorm, and now this.

Prep well and best of luck!


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It doesn't look good. Just the other day one of our local tv weather talking heads posted on facebook that out of all the storms this year only one made landfall. I replied "it only takes one". Looks like this might be it.

Isabel put 9" of water in the house at $94K damages. I hope it's not the case this time as it is going to be east of us instead of west heading inland.