Topic 'How Long Till Canada Gets A Copyright Alert System' in forum 'Canadian Broadband' - dslreports.com

Re: How Long Till Canada Gets A Copyright Alert System

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 11:31:32 EDT

funny posted :

...yeah it's a pill for everybody, you and us :\ ...that's for sure.

I think you have it crossed a bit though.. essentially, we would get notice from a court, saying an entity has intention of taking specific IPs to court. If the court orders us to, we can't really say no.. it's the law... so we would then give our customer a notice that we have been asked by the court to give up this information.. and then we would provide the info to the court and that's the extent of our involvement.

and harassment is legal is it. THIS is why i mention that if i am downloading music and then putting them onto levied cdrs that i pay a levy on , that was a previous law and setup how can i be found to be infringing and doing illegal acts and have you harrass me?

Me thinks a charter violation has occurred here....

It would be like having everyone sent a letter your not to cross the street anymore on green lights and we dont care....i pay taxes to gte htose lights and system setup and you are saying then that they pass a law without thinking of consequences WHICH you cannot do under law ( pleading ignorance )

i want all my levy money back as the law as written makes no mention of retro-activity either....
i dont care id rather see the cria have to give it all back.

Re: How Long Till Canada Gets A Copyright Alert System

Sat, 03 Nov 2012 19:36:09 EDT

WhaleOilBee posted : For an industry that depends heavily on word-of-mouth recommendations to propagate knowledge of their product, they sure are doing their best to stifle that. The automated DMCA notices have gone to such legitimate sites as IMDB for showing a movie trailer released by the studio, and a newspaper that printed a movie review. If IMDB wanted to get even, all they would need to do is state on their website.... "Due to possible copyright infringement, no information can be provided on any movies / TV shows produced by this studio". You would see how quickly the DMCA take-down requests would dry up; and only the most egregious violations would be pursued.

As individuals, there's not much you can do but comply, or be willing to accept the consequences. Compliance would of course mean that once you receive a notice from a particular source, you would cease viewing all content from that source whether legit or not.

Re: How Long Till Canada Gets A Copyright Alert System

Sat, 03 Nov 2012 18:13:44 EDT

A Lurker posted :

said by TOPDAWG:

if canada does then oh well. I've no idea why folks think they're owed free music and movies. now I must state I pirate like a madman. If you're dumb enough to get busted and get the warning well to bad. Pirates will find away around the 6 strike thing anyway.

Except I've had two notices in the past 3 or 4 years (went back, couldn't find the IM record I had with Krispy at the time). I don't use torrents, never have. And it was for a show I've never watched, never downloaded. Actually the 2 notices were almost a year apart and for exactly the same show/episode. I was told someone had the same MAC address on the network as I did. The IP in the notification email wasn't mine though (it almost never changes).

So you may not care now, but you might if you get a notice yourself, depending how your ISP identifies you.

Re: How Long Till Canada Gets A Copyright Alert System

Sat, 03 Nov 2012 14:27:42 EDT

anon posted :

said by Spike:

More public scrutiny required....

I think you misinterpreted that. You meant to say:
More back door lobbying by US benefactors.

Re: How Long Till Canada Gets A Copyright Alert System

Sat, 03 Nov 2012 07:38:14 EDT

Spike posted :

said by TSI Marc:

said by zacron:

Marc, could you explain "We can't really say no" to us?

Thanks for clarifying

I think Geist explains it all in his blog: »www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6033/125/

Essentially, once that bill becomes law... We will have to live by it..

C-11 seems to be unfinished legislation since the Cons seem so inclined to delay implementing some of it, including Notice-and-notice for ISP's as per this thread...

»www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6686/125/

More public scrutiny required.... which is funny, seeing how most of the bill was subject to intense public outcry yet rubber stamped regardless. Digital locks being the primary #1 fault.

Re: How Long Till Canada Gets A Copyright Alert System

Sat, 03 Nov 2012 04:18:25 EDT

TSI Marc posted :

said by zacron:

Marc, could you explain "We can't really say no" to us?

Thanks for clarifying

I think Geist explains it all in his blog: »www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6033/125/

Essentially, once that bill becomes law... We will have to live by it..
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Re: How Long Till Canada Gets A Copyright Alert System

Fri, 02 Nov 2012 23:15:28 EDT

funny posted :

said by TSI Marc:

there is an out for TSI
its a rarely used bit of lawsuit law that states if bad milk was delivered to the store old days you had to sue the store whom would sue the bringer of the milk....now i can remove you and go right at CRIA and i promise i want you to give me a notice and ill do just that and then get everyone i know on the net to make it class action and take BOTH the CRIA and the conservative party to court.
THEY both have legal counsel and thusly can't plead ignorance of the law. I swear its should be named the retarded party of canada.
JUST marc do what they tell you we the people will take care of the rest.
NOW you know why the harper govt was against the levy YET it still exists....and the law speaks not of retro-activity....( grins )

Re: How Long Till Canada Gets A Copyright Alert System

Fri, 02 Nov 2012 16:14:09 EDT

anon posted :

said by TSI Marc:

I think you have it crossed a bit though.. essentially, we would get notice from a court, saying an entity has intention of taking specific IPs to court. If the court orders us to, we can't really say no.. it's the law... so we would then give our customer a notice that we have been asked by the court to give up this information.. and then we would provide the info to the court and that's the extent of our involvement.

said by zacron:

Marc, could you explain "We can't really say no" to us?

Thanks for clarifying

Man I wrote out the reply and hit the wrong button and lost it. Here we go again, F&S.

So I'm not writing it all out again, but rather, read through »Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

The only thing stated there not really true is when I called PrivCom, »Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada.

I stated in that topic that they said, "there is nothing they can do". This wasn't true. I just didn't want to write it in the forum where videotron, Bell and Cogeco could see at the time.

But they told me Videotron, Bell and cogeco broke section 7 (or is it section 6? I forget now) of the ACT. Seems they have an obligation to "protect", which they did not. So that would have been another lawsuit of "the people versus Videotorn et al".

Anyhow read through that link, get a grasp of it, then re-ask ;)

Re: How Long Till Canada Gets A Copyright Alert System

Fri, 02 Nov 2012 14:54:33 EDT

zacron posted : Marc, could you explain "We can't really say no" to us?

Thanks for clarifying

Re: How Long Till Canada Gets A Copyright Alert System

Fri, 02 Nov 2012 13:05:11 EDT

TSI Marc posted : ...yeah it's a pill for everybody, you and us :\ ...that's for sure.

I think you have it crossed a bit though.. essentially, we would get notice from a court, saying an entity has intention of taking specific IPs to court. If the court orders us to, we can't really say no.. it's the law... so we would then give our customer a notice that we have been asked by the court to give up this information.. and then we would provide the info to the court and that's the extent of our involvement.
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Marc - CEO/TekSavvy

Re: How Long Till Canada Gets A Copyright Alert System

Fri, 02 Nov 2012 10:56:12 EDT

funny posted :

said by TSI Marc:

"It scares me that Videotron (the worse of the lot), who is also my internet provider, will also be my copyright cop if a kid downloads a True Blood episode instead of me buying their channel that carries it."

The way Canada is implementing it is designed so that the ISP is *not* the cop. All we would do if forward the notice to the end user, and let the people who want to send the notice that the end user has been sent the notice... so, notice and notice...

WRONG
you are sending the notice YOU are the cop. If it were the rights holder then it would be them....WHO hands you a traffic ticket ? A COP. AND like i said i pay a levy for music and am in a province that allows class action. The charter of rights and freedoms is quite clear on what you can and can't do to people regarding laws. YOU cant make one law that everyone is following and then toss them in jail or fine them for following it. If i were you and other isps i'd be really thinking about this because it might get the copyright law struck down as unconstitutional.

I'll add that the CRIA now music Canada then is also profiting by breaking the new law ....ya can't have it both ways....and this just shows how stupid and backwatered the conservative party is.

Re: How Long Till Canada Gets A Copyright Alert System

Fri, 02 Nov 2012 10:50:10 EDT

funny posted :

said by TSI Marc:

said by MJB:

Question

How long till canada get's a copyright alert system like in the united states of america ?

what would you do if this happened ?

»broadcastengineering.com/streami···t-system

The tomming of when this might get implemented is still up in the air I believe but this is what we'll be required to do from our side:

Under the Copyright Modernization Act, once the notice-notice provisions eventually come into effect, ISPs will be required by law to forward copyright infringement notices received from copyright holders or their agents to the ISPs' end customers and confirm to the copyright holders/agents that they have done so. ISPs will also have to retain the information linking IP addresses to end user information when a notice is received for at least six months and up to a year if a copyright infringement lawsuit involving an end user is commenced and the ISP is notified during the six month period. This will be a mandatory regime.

It's quite a bit better than the US version..

and the second you do it i'llbe launching a lawsuit regarding music i download and put onlevied cdrs
ENJOY the mess they are creating for you...

I'll also be asking for all the levy money be returned in full and that every citizen that has internet to get a check....

you don't pay a levy and then penalize me without legal consequences.
If you seek to punish me then i want all my levy fees back, then i'll give the rights holder all the cdrs to melt if they so wish.
THERE no music in one fell swoop. i'd rather no music and no bs.

that is 600 million that music canada ( CRIA ) has collected i want back....

Re: How Long Till Canada Gets A Copyright Alert System

Fri, 02 Nov 2012 10:47:55 EDT

funny posted :

said by TOPDAWG:

no such thing we pay a levy anyone spouting otherwise is a jerk that wants to sit back and take that money and freely sue for more needs a kick in his ass and made unemployed and go work in some mine or pit near a lava pool

Re: How Long Till Canada Gets A Copyright Alert System

Mon, 29 Oct 2012 17:45:16 EDT

elwoodblues posted : When I was a kid we had AE Lines over the phone.

The first time I spent any amount of time transferring files, I got a whopper of a LD phone bill (my own line in my room) from Ma Bell.

Re: How Long Till Canada Gets A Copyright Alert System

Mon, 29 Oct 2012 17:30:00 EDT

cpsycho posted :

said by elwoodblues:

Here's the funny part, it'll just drive further underground. When I was a kid we used to meet in person and swap diskettes.

I can go down to my local metro, rent a blu ray movie for 2 bucks, bring it home, where I have the "tools" to copy/rip the disc.

Cutting off my Internet is going to SFA but make it a little more inconvenient.

Back in my early 20's it was ftp, building trust between two people and getting ftp access. Good luck in tracking that. Also there is vpn, setup a vpn between you and your friends and that would be un trackable then as well.

Re: How Long Till Canada Gets A Copyright Alert System

Mon, 29 Oct 2012 17:18:49 EDT

TSI Marc posted : "It scares me that Videotron (the worse of the lot), who is also my internet provider, will also be my copyright cop if a kid downloads a True Blood episode instead of me buying their channel that carries it."

The way Canada is implementing it is designed so that the ISP is *not* the cop. All we would do if forward the notice to the end user, and let the people who want to send the notice that the end user has been sent the notice... so, notice and notice...
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Re: How Long Till Canada Gets A Copyright Alert System

Mon, 29 Oct 2012 16:57:46 EDT

dillyhammer posted :

said by hm :

When it happens I'll just spoof dillyhammer's IP.

;)

Standing by for infringement notices in French.

Mike

Re: How Long Till Canada Gets A Copyright Alert System

Mon, 29 Oct 2012 16:52:10 EDT

elwoodblues posted :

said by dillyhammer:

Well I'm good because all I ever download is Linux ISOs, it's all open source and free, and besides that all the traffic appears to be coming from elwoodblues' house - which is really trivial to do.

:p

Mike

And I get it from Angelos citywide wireless mesh
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Re: How Long Till Canada Gets A Copyright Alert System

Mon, 29 Oct 2012 16:41:38 EDT

anon posted : Yeah, something is coming. The CRTC's speech takes a glancing swipe at this.

See:

Canadians as creators

I'd now like to turn to Canadians as creators.

A world-class communications system also needs a world-class mix of content that can touch the heart, delight the mind and seduce the imagination. Canada has tremendous resources of creative talent:
performers, writers, musicians, designers, producers, directors and experts in all the production crafts. We expect broadcasters to take full advantage of their contributions to the entertainment and cultural programming that helps to give us—and the rest of the world—a sense of who we are.

I use the word "creator" in the very broadest sense. Obviously it includes everybody involved in the creation, production and promotion of Canadian content.

But it also includes the broadcasters and distributors. They're the ones who showcase the content that Canadians can access. They contribute to the funds that support Canadian content production.

I also regard as creators those who build our telecommunications infrastructure, those who market the innovative services that we increasingly depend on, and those who work in the field of digital media, with all their potential for highlighting Canadian programming.

The CRTC mentions it only once in their 3 year plan, but mentions it nonetheless.

"Creators" is defined by this "new" CRTC as:
-Videotron (and their entire huge Media holdings, and TV Distribution), Bell (and of course Bell TV), And other other Broadcaster.
-Actors, actresses, writers, singers, etc, and their agents (and their law-firms)

It scares me that Videotron (the worse of the lot), who is also my internet provider, will also be my copyright cop if a kid downloads a True Blood episode instead of me buying their channel that carries it.

Let's not forget they're are also a music empire in Quebec (dunno about the rest of Canada) and have cheerfully stated they want music downloaders to be in court and sued.

So this does scare me off a bit. Especially with Videotron being the worse out of the whole lot of them in Canada in regards to this.

Oh well. When it happens I'll just spoof dillyhammer's IP.

Re: How Long Till Canada Gets A Copyright Alert System

Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:36:09 EDT

TSI Marc posted :

said by MJB:

Question

How long till canada get's a copyright alert system like in the united states of america ?

what would you do if this happened ?

»broadcastengineering.com/streami···t-system

Re: How Long Till Canada Gets A Copyright Alert System

Sat, 27 Oct 2012 21:48:33 EDT

Rastan posted : As bt mentioned, false positives are a problem but unsecured routers can also lead to problems. Since an IP address alone can't identify someone, there's no way to prove who actually shared a file. They would have to hold people accountable for not securing their network and many people don't know how to do this.

For those who share copyrighted material, this will just be a minor inconvenience. Some of them may decide to pay $5-10/month for a newsgroups subscription or for a VPN account to mask their IP while transferring files. Some people may decide to use anonymous P2P networks instead.

Technology continuously changes and when there's a need for anonymity, new types of file sharing technologies will emerge. The entertainment industry continues to play the whack a mole game and the only people who benefit from this are lawyers. Artists don't receive a cent from any of the lawsuits.

Re: How Long Till Canada Gets A Copyright Alert System

Sat, 27 Oct 2012 14:17:41 EDT

dillyhammer posted :

said by mlerner:

Careful now, pretty soon Linux will be illegal too. ;)

Ha!

Then I'll just start spoofing your IP address too.

:D

Mike

Re: How Long Till Canada Gets A Copyright Alert System

Sat, 27 Oct 2012 12:57:35 EDT

mlerner posted :

said by dillyhammer:

Careful now, pretty soon Linux will be illegal too. ;)

Re: How Long Till Canada Gets A Copyright Alert System

Sat, 27 Oct 2012 12:19:47 EDT

dillyhammer posted : Well I'm good because all I ever download is Linux ISOs, it's all open source and free, and besides that all the traffic appears to be coming from elwoodblues' house - which is really trivial to do.

:p

Mike

Re: How Long Till Canada Gets A Copyright Alert System

Fri, 26 Oct 2012 16:57:09 EDT

lawrenson posted : We kind of do. With the C-11 bill, upon receipt of a copyright notice ISPs are now required to forward the notification to the subscriber, and identify the subscriber based on the information provided (IP address etc) and store that for 6 months, or 1 year if the copyright holder takes court action.

Re: How Long Till Canada Gets A Copyright Alert System

Fri, 26 Oct 2012 13:55:36 EDT

GeoStar posted : besides allowing the the 1% to run the highest test octane in their jet powered superyahts , :p

who will this help ?

Re: How Long Till Canada Gets A Copyright Alert System

Thu, 25 Oct 2012 16:27:37 EDT

elwoodblues posted : Here's the funny part, it'll just drive further underground. When I was a kid we used to meet in person and swap diskettes.

I can go down to my local metro, rent a blu ray movie for 2 bucks, bring it home, where I have the "tools" to copy/rip the disc.

Cutting off my Internet is going to SFA but make it a little more inconvenient.
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Re: How Long Till Canada Gets A Copyright Alert System

Thu, 25 Oct 2012 15:46:43 EDT

balur posted : Telus receives complaints somehow and then passes them on, I'm not sure about other ISPs.

When I worked for a Telus wholesaler, we'd get alerts all the time from Telus about our customers. Which we'd then ignore.

Re: How Long Till Canada Gets A Copyright Alert System

Thu, 25 Oct 2012 14:27:15 EDT

bt posted :

said by TOPDAWG:

If you're dumb enough to get busted and get the warning well to bad.

The problem is the false-positives. I know I got a few notice-and-notice emails for crap I wouldn't have downloaded even if it were free from legit sources. Those false-positives weren't a huge issue, but if there's consequences for so many strikes they could become issues.

Re: How Long Till Canada Gets A Copyright Alert System

Thu, 25 Oct 2012 14:22:19 EDT

TOPDAWG posted : if canada does then oh well. I've no idea why folks think they're owed free music and movies. now I must state I pirate like a madman. If you're dumb enough to get busted and get the warning well to bad. Pirates will find away around the 6 strike thing anyway.

Re: How Long Till Canada Gets A Copyright Alert System

Thu, 25 Oct 2012 11:17:24 EDT

zod5000 posted : Don't some ISPs already have one? IE when I was on Telus I received and email from telus that that had received a DMCA complaint and named the thing the complaint was about. Telus didn't give up my info, and said it was for notification only. (IE there policy was to pass on the notices). This was at least 6 or 7 years ago already.

The only difference I see between that the new US system, is that you lose internet access once you receive 6 of them.

I am curious to know if they have mutual agreement in regions between all isps to do this? If they don't, that's going to become a huge competitive advantage for the isps that didn't sign up for it.

edit: I think the major weakness of these systems is that they all revolve around p2p technologies. P2P (ie torrents) involves you making direct connections to other ip's so its easy for the copyright trolls to see who is download/uploading content on p2p. The system will become somewhat useless as piracy moves away from p2p?

How Long Till Canada Gets A Copyright Alert System

Wed, 24 Oct 2012 22:15:36 EDT

MJB posted : Question

How long till canada get's a copyright alert system like in the united states of america ?

what would you do if this happened ?

»broadcastengineering.com/streami···t-system