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kudos:2 | reply to trparky
Re: [WIN7] No Service Pack 2 I guess it really comes down to the question "What is in a Service Pack?"
I see that question having at least two answers
1) New features that were not present in the given OS at time of release
2) A roll-up of all prior Updates (Security and Non-Security) from a given point in time backwards to when the OS (or prior SP) was released.
From what I can tell, there is nothing "wrong" with Windows 7. As many have said, Windows 7 is a rock-solid OS, that really does not need to have "new features" added at this time. So, answer #1 above does not apply.
However, Answer #2 would apply. SP1 for Windows 7 came out in February of 2011. Since then, there has been 20 months of updates (March of 2011 through October of 2012). If we assume an average of 8 updates a month, that would be 160 updates that all could apply to Windows 7.
Now, I know some don't apply directly to Windows 7 (some are office, some are SQL Server, some only apply to the Server side of things, etc), but the point is, there has been a LOT of updates. For someone that does re-install their OS on their own this is a lot of extra work that has to be done.
But, if you look at the enterprise side of things, a re-image of a workstation could happen more often. Having your image contain the latest security updates is an on-going process. However, if there was a way to just install one update (SP2) that would be easier to manage then trying to install 100+ Updates.
So, do I feel we need SP2 to add features to Windows 7? No I don't. However, having SP2 so that those of us (home and corporate) that do re-install Windows 7 don't have to wait hours to download and install 100's of updates each time would be a good thing.
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kudos:2 | said by plencnerb:I guess it really comes down to the question "What is in a Service Pack?"
I see that question having at least two answers
1) New features that were not present in the given OS at time of release How many OS service packs include new "features" ? That's not typical, I don't believe. XP SP2 did, but they were much-needed security enhancements, as I recall.
On the other hand, how one defines "feature" could be debatable. For instance, with Autodesk and their 3D-modeling software, a service pack would never impact the "UI", meaning it wouldn't be a change/update that the user sees. Those only occurred with full-blown releases. |
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| Now, if they're planning on using "update rollups" similar to how they release them for Internet Explorer, then maybe they might be onto something there.
I installed Windows 7 64-bit just the other day because I had to build a new machine and there were a ton of updates, not just for Windows but there was Microsoft .NET Framework updates as well and those often numbered in the 50 to 100 MB zone. Easily 2 GBs of downloads there!
And don't get me started on the Office 2010 updates. I had to install several updates for Office before it even offered Service Pack 1 to be downloaded and then on top of that even more updates after Office 2010 SP1 was installed.
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plencnerbPremium
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kudos:2 | reply to Hall
I agree Hall  . Most OS SP's don't include new features. As you said, XP did, but I think that is the only exception. My reason for that as a potential "answer" to my "What is a Service Pack" question was just that: A potential answer. Microsoft could include new features of the OS in a SP, but they have not done so (except as noted in XP).
Which is why they are good as a "one stop install of security updates" which in my mind boils down to installing one big patch instead of 100's of little ones.
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I'm trying to recall if Win95 with USB support was a service pack or an upgrade that was purchased... |
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kudos:2 | Only Win95 OEM versions supported USB. I could have sworn there was a work-around or hack that enabled it on non-OEM versions though. |
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plencnerbPremium
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kudos:2 | reply to trparky
I rebuilt my system back on Oct 17th. I have SP1 built-into my install media for Windows. I also have SP1 for Office 2010 built-in as well.
However, I still had to install 141 updates! The picture may be hard to see everything installed, but that is all the updates I had on my system for Office 2010 after SP1 and Windows 7 after SP1.
The breakdown for me for each group is below
• CAPICOM: 1
• McAfee VirusScan Enterprise: 1 (Patch 2 for VSE 8.8)
• .NET 4 Client: 8
• Office 2010: 39
• Silverlight: 1
• Windows: 91
This is why a "update rollup" would be nice. 
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said by Hall: How many OS service packs include new "features" ? That's not typical, I don't believe. XP SP2 did, but they were much-needed security enhancements, as I recall. Right off the top of my head, Vista SP1 added SSTP VPN capability to the OS. Sure, I agree that XP SP2 was a special case (in fact some argue it could have been billed a new OS, and they may be right), but other SP's have included new functionality in the past as well.
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