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jeffreydean1

join:2010-05-31
reply to Acanac Inc

Re: IPTV Cannnels

said by Acanac Inc:

"I m not really offended by that. I think that what you presently do has more in common with marketing your present existing service than a realistic launching of IPTV in the near future, but I honestly have no proof and, even if I were right, it s not something that I d really consider scandalous in any way."

So let me get this straight.

1. We apply for our BDU license about one year ago.
2. We sign agreements with one of the largest middleware companies in the world. Let me tell you this is not cheap. (NDA)
3. We spend hundreds of thousands on encoding equipment. Soon to be in the millions.
4. We purchase 1000 STB's and another 3000 on the way.

Almost every waking moment the IPTV launch is on my mind and it's all for a marketing ploy?

I have talking about IPTV service going as far back as 2006. Rocky and I even had a disagreement regarding the feasibility of such of service on a Unicast platform in these very forums.

I am just about to prove him wrong.

Pwned

Nice.

carcajou

join:2012-10-16
Riviere-Beaudette, QC
Reviews:
·Acanac
reply to Acanac Inc

Then go ahead and prove me wrong and prove Rocky wrong by launching the service.

Me I note that you already said it will " not be offered publicly "..strange

It s obvious that you are not high on the radar of big content providers. At best, you can be a reseller of Bell TV or similar canadian distributor like you resell their phone lines.

And, if you have so much money to invest you have no reason to delay legitimate refunds using every excuse in the book. I also operated a business in the past and I see only one logical explanation for those delays.



Fergless
Premium
join:2008-04-19
Toronto, ON
kudos:1

said by "carcajou" :
Me I note that you already said it will " not be offered publicly "..strange
That would be in reference to Beta testing, some of the staff are testing it right now, with limited channels.

carcajou

join:2012-10-16
Riviere-Beaudette, QC
Reviews:
·Acanac

Fergie

And you are testing it on Canaca-com s server using a MLPPP connection with multiple modems, multiple DSL and a special router to join all that together and augment redundancy ( 2 times ? 4 times ? ).

Nice Beta test with a connection that cost 200 dollars. I dont think the other beta crash test dummies will have such equipment



mlerner
Premium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
kudos:5
reply to pducharme

Re: Acanac - 30 Mbps service - Got connected 3 days ago

We'll have to wait on the feasibility but I doubt it's going to be a completely smooth ride since almost all of the older DSL tiers rely on the older copper and DSL networks and neither cable nor DSL provide any QoS on the wholesale connection side.



Acanac Inc
Premium
join:2007-03-05
Mississauga, ON

1 edit

We support HLS so I don't see any major issues. You might end up going from HD to SD in real time without any buffering.

In end the clients can always upgrade to one of the higher end plans. Either on the DSL side if available or go with Cable. My own tests are being run on a 6Mbps connection without any problems.

We do want to offer some 3D content at much higher bit rates. In these cases clients will have no choice but to upgrade if they wish to access such content.

This was video was taken in my house on a 6Mbps DSL connection with my camera phone. It should give you a good idea on the channel change times and the interface look.
»www.acanac.com/newIPTV-V.mp4



mlerner
Premium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
kudos:5

But it doesn't matter how much speed or how many lines if the wholesale pipes suffer congestion and if the bitrate drops too low then the quality will make it almost unwatchable. Look, in some cases it might work but it's really like rolling a dice on a board that moves.

Add to that, how many people will really want to have multiple connections?


carcajou

join:2012-10-16
Riviere-Beaudette, QC
reply to Acanac Inc

Yeah right

And what is the Montreal-Bonaventure Hilton doing there at the end on your screen ?
Wait, it s not on this one. It was on another video you made that I saw that.


carcajou

join:2012-10-16
Riviere-Beaudette, QC
reply to mlerner

I m not technologically educated, but I think I understood they plan to broadcast in unicast and it will load their ressources more than multicast



mlerner
Premium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
kudos:5

said by carcajou:

I m not technologically educated, but I think I understood they plan to broadcast in unicast and it will load their ressources more than multicast

Plus it will be riding on the incumbent providers network which we all know from experience, Bell or Rogers couldn't care less if that network suffers from severe congestion, they will take their time fixing it, in some cases 6-8 months later.


Acanac Inc
Premium
join:2007-03-05
Mississauga, ON
reply to mlerner

said by mlerner:

But it doesn't matter how much speed or how many lines if the wholesale pipes suffer congestion and if the bitrate drops too low then the quality will make it almost unwatchable. Look, in some cases it might work but it's really like rolling a dice on a board that moves.

Add to that, how many people will really want to have multiple connections?

If you can currently use Netflixs you will have no issues with our service. In fact we even have some advantages in the way the bit rates change from high to low and low to high.

I can't say we will support 100% of our client base simply due to the fact that same clients are just to far from the CO. In these cases if they really want the IPTV service they will need to change and upgrade to Cable.

On the Cable side we don't offer anything less than 18Mbps within the Rogers territory . I don't see us encountering any issues with these type of speeds.

As for our pipes being congested we simply don't let that happen. As the client base grows just order more. If you can't get them in on time you put a stop hold on new orders. We have done it in the past.

carcajou

join:2012-10-16
Riviere-Beaudette, QC
Reviews:
·Acanac

And no, I dont think you did all those efforts getting a BDU licence "just for marketing ": I only said that, at this moment, I dont see it as realistically doable in the kind of timeframe you trumpet on your forum. So, at the present time, yes it can be what I think it is.

Second, you dont own Acanac, but you partly own Zazeen...and I see it s not Zazeen charging the enemy trenches now.
Whoever is taking a risk now isn t you



Acanac Inc
Premium
join:2007-03-05
Mississauga, ON
reply to carcajou

said by carcajou:

Yeah right

And what is the Montreal-Bonaventure Hilton doing there at the end on your screen ?
Wait, it s not on this one. It was on another video you made that I saw that.

You don't believe the video above was taken at my Home?
In this conspiracy I went to Montreal in order to record a quick video clip and then superimposed the Acanac logo on the right hand corner. The world is not full of conspiracies carcajou.

One is enough for today

carcajou

join:2012-10-16
Riviere-Beaudette, QC
Reviews:
·Acanac

3 edits

I do believe it was your home and your TV, but it was probably a kind of recording. I dont think it was live streaming when you did the video with your phone
The " Montreal-Bonaventure Hilton " was not a commercial, it was superimposed writing on your TV screen.

Wait...I could be all wrong here...maybe it was because of the ADISQ event. Maybe it was at the Bonaventure Hilton
Ok, I apologize for that one. This would explain everything. It was Radio-Canada and there was the ADISQ thing at the Hilton I guess.
So the writing is explained

When I m proven wrong, I really dont care admitting it. Something your customers service should learn to do

Anyway, I dont really care if you create hype around IPTV. It s really not that important. Other companies would do exactly the same thing for a lot of valid commercial reasons.


lawrence171
Evilly Yours - Evilness

join:2001-12-24
Canada
Reviews:
·Acanac
reply to Acanac Inc

Some families are big, and can easily have 5 TVs/set-top boxes. Will your solution be able to accommodate this?

I really hope that you guys will have a good selection of multicultural channels at competitive prices. They're the only reason why we have not dumped Rogers entirely.
--
What I used to be I no longer am... God, why can't you freeze time for my sake?


carcajou

join:2012-10-16
Riviere-Beaudette, QC

Lawrence

We already discussed the fact it will be unicast. You can have many STB, but not watch all TVs at the same time.



Acanac Inc
Premium
join:2007-03-05
Mississauga, ON

Posted in the wrong thread.



Acanac Inc
Premium
join:2007-03-05
Mississauga, ON
reply to carcajou

said by carcajou:

Lawrence

We already discussed the fact it will be unicast. You can have many STB, but not watch all TVs at the same time.

Not true.

Your only limited by your max through out put. So if you have an 18Mbps connection you would be looking at around 3 STB playing HD or around 5 with SD. Assuming you want to leave some room for overhead and surfing.

eeeaddict

join:2010-02-14

thats also assuming they only have 18mbps but I'd think larger families would order the 28mbps service
goodluck fearless leader :P


carcajou

join:2012-10-16
Riviere-Beaudette, QC
Reviews:
·Acanac
reply to Acanac Inc

I cannot argue technical points with you: you d win. I can only vaguely understand the challenge you face with unicast and the load of sending the stream individually to each STB.

But hire me as a betatester. I want the beta test for free, but I will ask no salary. Of course I will have to watch from a friend s house who really has broadband available on his street. I wont charge the gas for my car either.

I m sure you really want me in the team


yym7890

join:2007-10-01
Montreal, QC
reply to Acanac Inc

Re: IPTV Cannnels

I want to get your 30M plan. How about 2nd year's fee?

Same as first year?


yym7890

join:2007-10-01
Montreal, QC
reply to pducharme

Re: Acanac - 30 Mbps service - Got connected 3 days ago

Can you do ping test and speed test for us about 8-9pm at night ?

Thanks



JGROCKY
Premium
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON
reply to jeffreydean1

Re: IPTV Cannnels

said by jeffreydean1:

said by Acanac Inc:

"I m not really offended by that. I think that what you presently do has more in common with marketing your present existing service than a realistic launching of IPTV in the near future, but I honestly have no proof and, even if I were right, it s not something that I d really consider scandalous in any way."

So let me get this straight.

1. We apply for our BDU license about one year ago.
2. We sign agreements with one of the largest middleware companies in the world. Let me tell you this is not cheap. (NDA)
3. We spend hundreds of thousands on encoding equipment. Soon to be in the millions.
4. We purchase 1000 STB's and another 3000 on the way.

Almost every waking moment the IPTV launch is on my mind and it's all for a marketing ploy?

I have talking about IPTV service going as far back as 2006. Rocky and I even had a disagreement regarding the feasibility of such of service on a Unicast platform in these very forums.

I am just about to prove him wrong.

Pwned

Nice.

LOL.... Get off the ground and soar for a bit before you claim you can fly to dispute the nay sayers!

On a similar vein; if you wait long enough and let technology evolve enough, eventually everyone will be proven wrong! (Ie: Gates with the "640K ought to be enough for anybody!" quote)
--
TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Co-Owner
For on the fly news/updates: tsirocky on twitter


Acanac Inc
Premium
join:2007-03-05
Mississauga, ON

1 edit
reply to yym7890

said by yym7890:

I want to get your 30M plan. How about 2nd year's fee?

Same as first year?

Thank you for your interest. The 30Mbps plan is not a promo. It would cost the same as the first year.


Acanac Inc
Premium
join:2007-03-05
Mississauga, ON
reply to JGROCKY

You do have a point. On a purely 5Mbps service the challenges would be a lot greater. Your also correct that allot of the current technology simply did not exist back in the day.

I hope you did not take it the wrong way. In fact I looked up to you over the years. TSI was one of the reasons we even entered the High Speed Internet market.



Acanac Inc
Premium
join:2007-03-05
Mississauga, ON

1 edit
reply to yym7890

Re: Acanac - 30 Mbps service - Got connected 3 days ago

said by yym7890:

Can you do ping test and speed test for us about 8-9pm at night ?

Thanks

Since the client has not posted the ping results here is a quick test to youtube. The ping rates are low since it's going through Torix at 151 front street. If your doing it over DSL or Cable you can add at least another 10-20ms depending how far you are from our POP.

This test was done from the office located in Mississauga.

Pinging youtube.com [74.125.226.46] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 74.125.226.46: bytes=32 time=4ms TTL=57
Reply from 74.125.226.46: bytes=32 time=4ms TTL=57
Reply from 74.125.226.46: bytes=32 time=4ms TTL=57
Reply from 74.125.226.46: bytes=32 time=5ms TTL=57
Reply from 74.125.226.46: bytes=32 time=5ms TTL=57
Reply from 74.125.226.46: bytes=32 time=4ms TTL=57
Reply from 74.125.226.46: bytes=32 time=4ms TTL=57
Reply from 74.125.226.46: bytes=32 time=4ms TTL=57
Reply from 74.125.226.46: bytes=32 time=5ms TTL=57
Reply from 74.125.226.46: bytes=32 time=4ms TTL=57
Reply from 74.125.226.46: bytes=32 time=4ms TTL=57
Reply from 74.125.226.46: bytes=32 time=4ms TTL=57
Reply from 74.125.226.46: bytes=32 time=5ms TTL=57
Reply from 74.125.226.46: bytes=32 time=4ms TTL=57
Reply from 74.125.226.46: bytes=32 time=4ms TTL=57
Reply from 74.125.226.46: bytes=32 time=4ms TTL=57
Reply from 74.125.226.46: bytes=32 time=5ms TTL=57
Reply from 74.125.226.46: bytes=32 time=4ms TTL=57
Reply from 74.125.226.46: bytes=32 time=4ms TTL=57
Reply from 74.125.226.46: bytes=32 time=6ms TTL=57

Ping statistics for 74.125.226.46:
Packets: Sent = 20, Received = 20, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 4ms, Maximum = 6ms, Average = 4ms


Acanac Inc
Premium
join:2007-03-05
Mississauga, ON

Here are the ping results from my home taken at 8:30PM. It's on a 28Mbps Cable connection. I would do a speed test however I currently have 3 IPTV STB on.

Pinging youtube.com [74.125.226.39] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 74.125.226.39: bytes=32 time=19ms TTL=56
Reply from 74.125.226.39: bytes=32 time=29ms TTL=56
Reply from 74.125.226.39: bytes=32 time=20ms TTL=56
Reply from 74.125.226.39: bytes=32 time=23ms TTL=56
Reply from 74.125.226.39: bytes=32 time=18ms TTL=56
Reply from 74.125.226.39: bytes=32 time=17ms TTL=56
Reply from 74.125.226.39: bytes=32 time=17ms TTL=56
Reply from 74.125.226.39: bytes=32 time=23ms TTL=56
Reply from 74.125.226.39: bytes=32 time=28ms TTL=56
Reply from 74.125.226.39: bytes=32 time=15ms TTL=56
Reply from 74.125.226.39: bytes=32 time=16ms TTL=56
Reply from 74.125.226.39: bytes=32 time=16ms TTL=56
Reply from 74.125.226.39: bytes=32 time=26ms TTL=56
Reply from 74.125.226.39: bytes=32 time=17ms TTL=56
Reply from 74.125.226.39: bytes=32 time=20ms TTL=56
Reply from 74.125.226.39: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=56
Reply from 74.125.226.39: bytes=32 time=15ms TTL=56
Reply from 74.125.226.39: bytes=32 time=15ms TTL=56
Reply from 74.125.226.39: bytes=32 time=17ms TTL=56
Reply from 74.125.226.39: bytes=32 time=18ms TTL=56
Reply from 74.125.226.39: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=56
Reply from 74.125.226.39: bytes=32 time=12ms TTL=56
Reply from 74.125.226.39: bytes=32 time=18ms TTL=56
Reply from 74.125.226.39: bytes=32 time=13ms TTL=56
Reply from 74.125.226.39: bytes=32 time=16ms TTL=56

Ping statistics for 74.125.226.39:
Packets: Sent = 25, Received = 25, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 12ms, Maximum = 29ms, Average = 18ms


yym7890

join:2007-10-01
Montreal, QC

Hi, Thanks your testing.

One thing is your testing from ON and I live in Montreal.

This client said "I was happy to see 31.5Mbps / 3.1Mbps but told to myself : They advertise lower speed on the evening, like 50% speed. In the evening, I did couple of tests, and it was still at 30-31Mbps!" I want to know the speed get limited or not in Montreal.

Thanks again for you testing.


julienvf

join:2008-12-30
Verdun, QC
kudos:1
Reviews:
·Acanac

said by yym7890:

Hi, Thanks your testing.

One thing is your testing from ON and I live in Montreal.

This client said "I was happy to see 31.5Mbps / 3.1Mbps but told to myself : They advertise lower speed on the evening, like 50% speed. In the evening, I did couple of tests, and it was still at 30-31Mbps!" I want to know the speed get limited or not in Montreal.

Thanks again for you testing.

It is limited only when there's congestion. I've seen it only once a Sunday afternoon when it was rainy going down to about 22mbps while ping was 7-8ms instead of 5-6. Otherwise, 31.3 down, 3.1 up all the time so far, even at 10pm. Other factors can influence your speed like a congested node. For instance, I'm not at all on a congested node here in Verdun.