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Re: [Newsgroups] Dutch Usenet services are doomed This case was against a torrent site and the provider not complying with a court order. How is Usenet doomed in the NL again? People said the same thing when NSE got ruled against. |
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AndrewW
join:2009-03-07
Toronto, ON
kudos:1 | said by sandman_1:This case was against a torrent site and the provider not complying with a court order. How is Usenet doomed in the NL again? People said the same thing when NSE got ruled against.
You ask, “How is Usenet doomed in the NL again?” How about not being able to have files on your server that may be infringing of someone's copyright. Prime example is Astraweb that has been totally useless of late and with the implementation of automated takedowns, will be even more useless. (Even more egregious is their filling of nzb requests with filler material giving the appearance of a successfully completed download in Sabnzbd but being anything but complete in reality.) As a result of this policy change, many Astraweb customers appear to be abandoning their service or are searching for something more reliable. |
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| Yea but the Dutch NSPs, have always removed copyrighted material when requested to do so just like DMCA take down requests here in the US.
Anyway if it gets so bad that companies like NSPs can't function in the Netherlands, then they will just go somewhere else more favorable to their business. I don't think Usenet will die off but adjust to the times. |
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AndrewW
join:2009-03-07
Toronto, ON
kudos:1 | Astraweb was pretty good at ignoring or delaying BREIN takedown requests in the past but that is no longer the case.
I'm glad to see that you're beginning to see the light and acknowledge that Usenet hosting may not be possible in the future in the Netherlands. I think it is inevitable given that BREIN boasts about having taken down over 600 infringing sites and with this latest decision will only be emboldened to go after any remaining, hence NL Usenet is doomed unless you're interested in downloading filler ala Astraweb.
I think you're right that Usenet hosting servers will try to move elsewhere but the problem with that is the clash between the lack of cheap connectivity elsewhere and Usenet users' expectations of high service quality and cheap prices.
Another thing hurting Usenet is torrents. I have easily filled a few of my Usenet requests that were no longer available using torrents and rather surprisingly they were able to saturate my line at over 3MB/s. In some cases that weren't even that many seeders. Users' internet speeds have really gone up of late and it really shows in the torrent speeds. |
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samphar
join:2012-02-15
Alpharetta, GA | said by AndrewW:A
I think you're right that Usenet hosting servers will try to move elsewhere but the problem with that is the clash between the lack of cheap connectivity elsewhere and Usenet users' expectations of high service quality and cheap prices. I agree. The days of us maxing out 100mb lines may be numbered if News Service Providers move to countries with weak copyright laws.
Another thing hurting Usenet is torrents. I have easily filled a few of my Usenet requests that were no longer available using torrents and rather surprisingly they were able to saturate my line at over 3MB/s.
It is true that there is a lot of content on torrents sites not available on usenet but because of it privacy usenet will always have strong appeal for adults downloading adult material. Adult companies like Suze randall and ALS Scan have gone after USenet in the past but so far none of the major porn companies have filed dmca takesdown. If adult started an aggressive DMCA campaign , then I think usenet days in Holland and the US would be numbered.
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AndrewW
join:2009-03-07
Toronto, ON
kudos:1 | said by samphar:Torrents don't hurt usenet since the two services attract slightly different users. You have to pay for usenet unless you are one of the lucky few that have an ISP that provides decent usenet access.. That is one reason the usenet user base tends to be older than the torrent user base. Usenet provides more privacy than having your ip address publicly available for downloading a torrent.
It is true that there is a lot of content on torrents sites not available on usenet but because of it privacy usenet will always have strong appeal for adults downloading adult material. Adult companies like Suze randall and ALS Scan have gone after USenet in the past but so far none of the major porn companies have filed dmca takesdown. If adult started an aggressive DMCA campaign , then I think usenet days in Holland and the US would be numbered.
I didn't realize that Usenet's backbone consisted of porn customers. If that's the case and the porn industry is leaving websites that infringe their material alone, then perhaps I spoke too soon. But I find it hard to believe that they won't go after infringing sites given some of their statements to the press as to how badly their industry has been hurt by copyright infringement.
As for torrent anonymity, I believe people are turning to non-logging vpn services to address that issue. Turning to vpns tends to address the geo-ip restrictions that many sites have thus killing two birds with one stone. At any rate, as I am using torrents much more frequently the value of Usenet for me invariably diminishes with time and at some point goes away totally from sheer frustration dealing with incompletes. |
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