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The end of ####? - or CRTC orders telecom companies to open

Once companies submit their costs and proposed rates to the CRTC, that information is made public. With this additional data, interested parties will be able to provide a more informed analysis.

Re: The end of ####?

reply to mazhurg
They'll move from #### to a lot, a little, high, low, very high, very little?

"Transit costs are very high, profit is very low. Shareholder payout is almost nothing. Upkeep expenses are even higher than very high.
Markup can be low, but our costs are very high, so final tariffs should be even higher than very high.
In summary, we need a lot more. "

LOL.. you know. that's probably exactly what will happen!

that would make for a great headline in the news though! The high is very high and the low hits us hard and we dont like it lots and so it's a very high bad. big boom, bada boom! bada big boom!
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Marc - CEO/TekSavvy

Yeah, but even if they cook the numbers there are enough people out there who would be able to put two and two together and see through the bullshit. That, and cooking the numbers too badly could have a negative impact on share or put them into a bad competitive situation with other incumbents.

Considering that we now seem to be in an era where the CRTC has no issue laying an incumbent over their knee and providing them with a hard spanking, it's likely that if the numbers are cooked and don't pass the sniff test, the CRTC would be quick to call them on it, too.

reply to mazhurg
Fibic must be screaming. He can't lie anymore.

reply to mazhurg

reply to mazhurg
While a little tiny bit more transparency is always good, and good for future fights and filings, does this open the door to past data in filings that were held in secret? Example, costs studies for UBB.

In some instances I think CNOC was allowed to see some data off public record, but I don't know how much.

So how will this affect current situations with filings (secret cost studies, ####) made a year or more ago? Anything?

Can CNOC, PIAC, Consumers Union, CIPPIC, or CAIP actually go back and demand values that were hidden to now be placed on public record? If so, will it change anything?

sometimes the values aren't necessary... seeing the logic of how they go about it is often all we need.
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Marc - CEO/TekSavvy

Their logic is obviously backwards.

They start with how much bonuses they need, then they calculate how much profit will result in those bonuses, then they calculate how much revenues they need to achieve that profit considering the general expenses, and with that, they finally figure out the costs of bits sold. Once they have that, they make the tariffs to stay 'profitable'!

LOL

I'm sure we'll get to see some *interesting* stuff! I'm thinking many things will have been double counted... that's the place I'm most keen to look at. Dry loops?? are you kiding me!?
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Marc - CEO/TekSavvy

reply to mazhurg

Just wanted to add...

If we review the "new" CRTC's 3 year plan it seems they are really sticking to their guns. So far they did quite a bit.

See:
»www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/backgrnd/plan2012.htm

If we scroll down to the table titled, "Connect" we see they took care of the first phase of costing today. Seems the 2nd phase, "Review of methods used to establish wholesale prices" will take place next year and into the following year.

So if prices do get indeed get affected, we won't be seeing it, it seems, till 2014. At least that what it shows.

That's a good point.. I know I'm expecting something late this year or early next in the way of the proceedings that are under way. Usually they would set interim rates and then have the proper proceedings to set them over time...
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Marc - CEO/TekSavvy

Well there is something else going on this year which seems in relation to this, not really sure. I've lost track of all these orders, decisions and whatnot from the CRTC. But anyhow, on the same "Connect" table we see near the end it states:
"Applications
Wholesale high-speed access services billing implementation" under the heading of 2012.

Seems to be in relation to this (best I can come up with):
Billing practices for wholesale residential high-speed access services
»www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2011/2011-703.htm

So something is happening before the end of the year (unless I am just lost in all these filings now).

It's a rats nest to try to figure it all out.. You'd think there should be a better way..

I'm looking into it too.
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Marc - CEO/TekSavvy

I don't really know to be honest. I'm starting to get lost on all this.

Someone make a flow chart of all these filings in review, in process, in privy council, in court, or to be re-reviewed. tgif

Lol yeah, you're driving me to drink!

...it's not so bad if you keep on top of it as it goes. Catching up is a bit of a pain.
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Marc - CEO/TekSavvy

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