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Atticka

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reply to TSI Marc

Re: The end of ####?

Milla Jovovich fan?



rocca
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said by hm :

Seems to be in relation to this (best I can come up with): Billing practices for wholesale residential high-speed access services »www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2011/2011-703.htm
So something is happening before the end of the year (unless I am just lost in all these filings now).

Yes, 2012-703 is the big one left. While it has to adhere to the 'old' rules prior to the transparency victory today, given the recent direction of the CRTC, I'd be surprised to not see some significant scrutiny of the numbers provided by the incumbents.


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said by MaynardKrebs:

....They HAVE to disclose lots of stuff truthfully & accurately, else their Dear Leader will have to watch out that he doesn't drop a bar of soap in the prison shower.

I wonder how he'd COPE....

 
....with the SOAP ?!

He'd prob'ly say something like "@#$%& !"

Which is quite different from "#####".


hm

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said by rocca:

While it has to adhere to the 'old' rules prior to the transparency victory today

I don't know. As some regulatory person I assume you are correct. But, I was looking it over and reading different things about it and saw this quote pulled over @ cartt.ca:

“The Commission notes that the rules with respect to the treatment and disclosure of confidential information are set out in sections 30 to 34 of the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission Rules of Practice and Procedure (the Rules of Procedure). The Commission considers that any disclosure requests will be guided by subsection 39(4) of the Act, based on evidence submitted by parties and using the disclosure guidelines set out in this decision as the basis for its determinations.”

Seems to me that either you at CNOC, or PIAC, CIPPIC, Consumers Union, Vaxination (JF), or open Media (or others, including public comments of participation) need to make some claims in your next filings/war:
»laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regu···tml#h-16

Section 32 & 33 & 34: Public interest versus Direct harm:
Bell et al always cite "direct harm", never public interest.
(except for Rogers who claims the public is not interested, doesn't want to know, and data on public records should be expunged).

Tens of thousands of people submitting comments over the years is certainly public interest. No? Also the wild cost variance that occurred during wholesale costing is another.

Blais and the "new" CRTC have the balance in their hands. Up to you guys to try and convince him which way that balance needs to tilt.

I mean, if the issue of rates come up, and it will in 2013, it's in your own best interest to think up creative ways as to why it needs to be on public record (doubt, double-dipping, or other), and you need to engage the public to support you.

Seems to me you just need to open old wounds to get the ball going on opening the old grandfathered costing data. At least, that's what I understand from this "new" CRTC. Maybe that's why they are giving this phase 2 an entire year to complete, till 2014.


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said by hm :

I don't know. As some regulatory person I assume you are correct. ...
I mean, if the issue of rates come up, and it will in 2013, it's in your own best interest to think up creative ways as to why it needs to be on public record (doubt, double-dipping, or other), and you need to engage the public to support you.

Yes, absolutely. The second part of my quote was "given the recent direction of the CRTC, I'd be surprised to not see some significant scrutiny of the numbers provided by the incumbents". As the 703 file is closed and awaiting decision it would be out of process to ask for a change prior to the decision coming out. I'm hopeful we'll see rates that make sense, if not then I'd expect that the new policy would have to be used to add more transparency to a review. The Commission asked some really good questions during the interrogatories, they're doing their homework, and hopefully we'll see something more sustainable that everyone can work with without having to reopen this can of worms again.


to add

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reply to hm

Just to add to the above...

If we look at the title of what's coming up at the "new" CRTC for 2013-2014:
"Review of methods used to establish wholesale prices"

It just makes sense to me.



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said by rocca:

Yes, absolutely. The second part of my quote was "given the recent direction of the CRTC, I'd be surprised to not see some significant scrutiny of the numbers provided by the incumbents".

As the 703 file is closed and awaiting decision it would be out of process to ask for a change prior to the decision coming out.

I'm hopeful we'll see rates that make sense, if not then I'd expect that the new policy would have to be used to add more transparency to a review. The Commission asked some really good questions during the interrogatories, they're doing their homework, and hopefully we'll see something more sustainable that everyone can work with without having to reopen this can of worms again.

 
But AFTER that decision has been pronounced, would not a further R&V be appropriate, particularly considering alleged concealment of cooked numbers by (at least) Bell ?

If Bell was not so corporately paranoid as to feel that they even NEEDED to file things in confidence in the first place, we also would never have needed such new rules as have now been seen coming down the pipe.

And as for cans of worms, my father used to say "Once you open a can of worms, the only way to get them all back into the can is to use a BIGGER can."

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rocca
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You missed highlighting one.

"I'm hopeful we'll see rates that make sense, if not then I'd expect that the new policy would have to be used to add more transparency to a review."



BananaBoat

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said by rocca:

You missed highlighting one.

We're all testing you to make sure you remain sharp and in shape.


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Thanks!



CoachsCorner

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said by rocca:

Thanks!

NP.
Just remember. No alcohol or sex a full week before the next CRTC fight


TSI Marc
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said by Atticka:

Milla Jovovich fan?

LOL yeah, I was surprised nobody noticed sooner! Fifth element more than her but ya. Great movie.
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daeron

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said by TSI Marc:

said by Atticka:

Milla Jovovich fan?

LOL yeah, I was surprised nobody noticed sooner! Fifth element more than her but ya. Great movie.

Another fifth element fan! huzzah we do exist! I love that movie


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said by daeron:

Another fifth element fan! huzzah we do exist! I love that movie

Soooo many good lines in that movie, my favourite is "Negative, I am a meat popsicle" (which I manage to fit into every day conversation perhaps a little too frequently)


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LOL that is a great line. I was watching it the other day.. it's on Netflix now.

Another movie with tons of a great lines is Fight club. some that can't really be repeated here hehe.
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said by TSI Marc:

LOL that is a great line. I was watching it the other day.. it's on Netflix now.

Another movie with tons of a great lines is Fight club. some that can't really be repeated here hehe.

Another goodie. Demolition man!
"You can take this job and you can shovel it!"


TSI Marc
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said by to add :

Just to add to the above...

If we look at the title of what's coming up at the "new" CRTC for 2013-2014:
"Review of methods used to establish wholesale prices"

It just makes sense to me.

I think the R and Vs will be resolved as soon as possible, but that the CRTC does plan to hold a proceeding to figure out a different, simpler and less controversial way of setting wholesale rates. That's likely what that will end up being...
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hm

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From, » Jean-Pierre Blais's speech at the IIC

CRTC Chair sez:
The rates we set are based on costing data filed with the CRTC by the incumbents, much of it on a confidential basis.

We have questioned the need for so much to be confidential. Last Friday, we issued new guidelines that will lead to more costing data being made available for public review and scrutiny. Once it’s out in the open, it can be tested and challenged, which will make it much easier for us to set fair and reasonable rates, and will give all parties stronger grounds for trust in the result. This should cut down on the review-and-vary proceedings, which in the past have delayed access by Canadians to competitive services.



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reply to TSI Marc

said by TSI Marc:

LOL that is a great line. I was watching it the other day.. it's on Netflix now.

Another movie with tons of a great lines is Fight club. some that can't really be repeated here hehe.

I also re-watched it recently, it's a favourite. Well, I've liked most of the Luc Besson movies that I've seen, for that matter.

Randomly changing the subject, whatever happened to netflix caching? They don't peer at TorIX, so you can't get in on that, but are you big enough to justify getting one of their hardware appliances?
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TSI Marc
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Yeah Besson has good movies. I was watching Arthur series not long ago. Pretty good, was surprised they didn't do better.

Netflix caching.. Yeah for sure. I'll get details of where that's at.
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MaynardKrebs
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Re: The end of ####? - or CRTC orders telecom companies to open

My posts
»Re: Bell Canada's financials and UBB

Re: Bell Canada's financials and UBB
What *is* galling about this is that Bell and all its officers have a legal responsibility to provide accurate information to the investing public (via the analysts) during these conference calls. There are financial and possible criminal sanctions for not doing so.

Yet these same cretins can stand before the CRTC and spout falsehood after falsehood without repercussions, or if there are possible repercussions that they are never enforced.

It's high time for all testimony before the CRTC to be sworn under oath, with severe penalties for false/misleading statements.

1) Corporate Death Penalty - ignore a CRTC ruling once, get fined $1mm/DAY; ignore the same or another ruling twice, get fined $10MM/DAY retroactive to the date of the first ruling; ignore a new or the same ruling a third time, the corporation's charter is cancelled and corporation is placed in receivership - shareholder's equity wiped out, corporation executives & directors placed on trial for contempt with all penalties payable personally.

2) Powers of Investigation to be added to IC/CRTC mandate - includes audit teams capable of surprise technical inspections, power to demand technical information on-the-spot, power to remove equipment/records for study. penalties for failure to comply are same as 1) above.

------------------------------------------

It's also Shaw being candid with investors and liars to the CRTC.

»www.shaw.ca/uploadedFiles/Corpor···inal.pdf (see link at top of page for working link to this document)

Slide #5 (numbers at lower left)
In the future, we believe our usage based billing plan will enable the further monetization of our Internet business as data usage becomes more prevalent and common amongst our customer base (ie. streaming of video)

Slide 19
Over-the-top applications (i.e. Global TV website, Hulu etc.) relating to the viewing of traditional broadcasting will become more common in the future and management of content will help mitigate this risk to our core business

Let's be clear in all this:
Monetizing / monetization are code words for "profit centre", and not "cost recovery" or "behaviour modification".



TSI Marc
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Re: The end of ####?

said by Guspaz:

Randomly changing the subject, whatever happened to netflix caching? They don't peer at TorIX, so you can't get in on that, but are you big enough to justify getting one of their hardware appliances?

Just double checked... We've had it installed for over a month now. Seems to work well.
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InvalidError

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Re: The end of ####? - or CRTC orders telecom companies to open

said by MaynardKrebs:

2) Powers of Investigation to be added to IC/CRTC mandate - includes audit teams capable of surprise technical inspections, power to demand technical information on-the-spot, power to remove equipment/records for study.

The "power to remove equipment" is largely pointless since the government's liabilities could greatly outweigh anything that may be gained from it and there are no reasons that could possibly justify going anywhere near that far for wholesale rate-setting purposes. The only things required are detailed network diagrams with equipment, cable and various other unit and linear costs.

34764170

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Re: The end of ####?

said by Guspaz:

Randomly changing the subject, whatever happened to netflix caching? They don't peer at TorIX, so you can't get in on that, but are you big enough to justify getting one of their hardware appliances?

An ISP the size of TSI would have no problem meeting the requirements stated by Netflix but that still doesn't guarantee they'll receive the appliance just as meeting peering requirements doesn't guarantee a network will peer with you. I have a hard time believing TSI isn't receiving in excess of 10Gb of traffic from Netflix's CDN partners at the moment.


TSI Marc
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We've had it installed for a number of weeks now...
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34764170

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How many servers are part of the cluster TSI received?



TSI Marc
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I'm pretty sure its the same as has been described around the web...
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34764170

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The setup is N+1 so it depends on how big the ISP is.. I'll assume 2 since that's the smallest installation.