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mromero
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[rant] You can forget about Blu Ray ever coming to the Mac now..

»www.macrumors.com/2012/10/26/phi···anymore/

not that it was ever going to happen anyways....


Kearnstd
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Re: [rant] You can forget about Blu Ray ever coming to the Mac n

does iTunes offer full 1080p HD that can be played back on a PS3?

He seems to forget that ISPs are pushing into the age of Caps and Overages. physical media for HD formats and beyond will be the only route unless our connectivity changes back to the more unlimited angle.
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darcilicious
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Pretty sure that any video from iTunes can only be played back on Apple approved devices/software due to DRM. So, no-go on the PS3...
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Kearnstd
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or any other device or software. Where as I can rip a Blu-Ray and play it back on anything with enough storage space or bandwidth to the in house media server.
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rjackal
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reply to Kearnstd

There are plenty of standalone Blu-ray players and external drives available. If someone needs one, they can buy one.



Da Geek Kid

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reply to mromero

as rjackal said, buy a BR drive from OWC and get »www.macblurayplayer.com/

now what's the big fuss??? You want a OWC drive to have a Mac logo on it? put that sticker that comes with the new one on it...



skeechan
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reply to mromero

Macs are losing their optical drives all together.



J E F F
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said by skeechan:

Macs are losing their optical drives all together.

Can't make a super thin iOSX computer with a optical drive. Though you'd think to satisfy the masses, they'd at least make an external BRDVD drive.
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Count Zero
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said by J E F F:

said by skeechan:

Macs are losing their optical drives all together.

Can't make a super thin iOSX computer with a optical drive. Though you'd think to satisfy the masses, they'd at least make an external BRDVD drive.

According to a news article I read online today people aren't asking Apple for BluRay anymore - and honestly not putting BluRay on the Mac was a deliberate decision to push people forwards - away from using optical media for software distribution and towards using iTunes and other online sources for media streaming - it also freed up internal space to allow for smaller overall machines and saves Apple a few dollars per machine on hardware (and hardware repairs).

Honestly I have used my Mac Pro's superdrive so rarely that I have had to clean the dust out of it to get discs to read correctly. That being said I'll probably buy some form of USB external drive just in case I ever need to use some legacy software that is only on optical media when I do get my next computer.


skeechan
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reply to J E F F

Don't need to...3rd party is there, just like Apple doesn't make printers any more. Software support...like BRD burning would be nice, but I use Toast anyway. The problem is decryption. Even if the video cards included in Apple devices support it, it isn't supported in software. But players are so cheap these days I don't think there is a demand for BRD support in the Macs themselves. For playing movies you are better off just renting from iTunes or ripping BRD to MP4 video (which is what I do). Ripped video is then supported on all Macs and iOS devices.



howardfine

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said by skeechan:

Don't need to...3rd party is there.

I was just going to ask that.
quote:
For playing movies you are better off just renting from iTunes or ripping BRD to MP4 video (which is what I do). Ripped video is then supported on all Macs and iOS devices.

I want to think that blu-ray is just too slow for anything computer. In a way it's a niche device only suitable for watching movies. I wonder if there are licensing issues for the blu-ray standard.

EDIT: Oh! Apparently someone thinks alike. From the article:
quote:
...given the overwhelming trend towards downloaded media, these are certainly niche products.


Metatron2008
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reply to skeechan

said by skeechan:

Macs are losing their optical drives all together.

The superdrive that I replaced on my MacBook with an ssd is one of my favorite drives I've had (beyond the highly annoying LACK OF AN EJECT BUTTON).

Its my number one external drive currently. They should at least make an external bluray drive..


Da Geek Kid

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huh? Apple makes no hardware themselves, I hope you know that.



skeechan
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reply to Metatron2008

You can buy external BRD drives, just not "by" Apple, just like you can buy printers, just not by Apple. I have LG BRDs on both my Mac Pro (internal) and mini (external) at my office. The problem is native OS support...that is missing just as BRD support was missing from Windows (at least on my Win 7 machines). I have no problem authoring discs using Toast. Playback of retail encrypted disc is the problem but not so much for me since I rip everything for my library anyway...DMCA be damned.



Metatron2008
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reply to Da Geek Kid

said by Da Geek Kid:

huh? Apple makes no hardware themselves, I hope you know that.

No crap. They are good at enforcing good standards, as the drive is faster then the other external dvd writers I've owned..


Da Geek Kid

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standards? how's that? Blueray standards is owned and operated by Sony. An OEM may make a faster drive and apple may select that, is all... That ain't no std I have heard of...



Snakeoil
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reply to howardfine

Problem with streaming is it eats bandwidth. There are a few companies [mostly game ones], that are already complaining about the impact of caps and overage fees have on their business.
Apple and PC makers should take that into consideration, and either join the fight against caps/overages, or still make a way for people to watch/play media in the traditional manner.

Also, after reading about how amazon wiped a customers kindle device [showing that we really don't own electronic media that we buy], I'd be kind of cautious about buying any electronic media.
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howardfine

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said by Snakeoil:

Apple and PC makers should take that into consideration, and either join the fight against caps/overages, or still make a way for people to watch/play media in the traditional manner.

Help us, Google. You're our only hope!


bob1

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said by Da Geek Kid:

Blueray standards is owned and operated by Sony.

no its not


skeechan
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Correct, it's the Blu-Ray Disc Association and one of the board members is Apple. Dev and licensing is done by the BRDA.



Da Geek Kid

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yeah, OK. »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc_Founders

I do not see Apple's name in the Founders which means apple had no part in designing, or creating the "standard." Their name is in BRDA so that they could get great pricing and selling it any which way they can within the standards.



skeechan
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BRD has evolved since its founding. We have no idea who has contributed what to the platform since its inception. But no matter, even if Apple had nothing to do with anything, they could license it if there was actual demand for it (just as they started supporting USB 3)



DarkSithPro

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reply to mromero

I bet Apple could tell everyone tomorrow they're dropping USB support and everyone in the Apple forums would be like "No big deal, I hardly use USB", "I only use thunderbolt, Mac users don't use USB anyways".



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said by DarkSithPro:

I bet Apple could tell everyone tomorrow they're dropping USB support and everyone in the Apple forums would be like "No big deal, I don't use USB hardly", "I only use thunderbolt, Mac users don't use USB anyways".

It's funny you should say that, because I've noticed that I've been using USB less and less all the time, I have a Thunderbolt monitor, I have been considering a thunderbolt external drive to replace my USB external for storage, and I've been wondering if other Mac users even use USB anymore ...
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skeechan
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I use USB all the time; wacom tablet, syncing iPods and Android, SD adapters, receiver for my solar KB, MIDI box...

Portable drives are FW and printers are wireless or on a print server but I still use USB all the time.

But optical drives aren't comparable to "USB", more akin to floppies. Floppies fell out of favor but you can run an external if you really need it. Optical drives are the same way. I only use mine to rip CD, DVD or BRD. I can't remember the last time I actually used them for Mac/PC software, maybe the rip of my Office 2011 disc. All of my software are downloads, like Windows 8 yesterday, Steam, or Quickbooks & Office 2010 from Amazon. I not missing an optical in my MBA, never use the one in my MBP. Thinkpad uses that bad for a 2nd battery or 2nd HDD. In my old iMac I never used the onboard drive, always my LG. So I wouldn't miss having one in a new iMac.



vukodlak75
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I took out my supper drive out of my MBP almost two years ago. I took out my wife's earlier this year. She never used hers. I hardly used mine and it was only to rip a few movies. All software is downloaded now. I download most (if not all) media now.
I don't even have a dvd player hooked up to my tv.
My kids (years 8, 4 and 4) don't even know what a dvd is, lol.
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skeechan
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said by vukodlak75:

My kids (years 8, 4 and 4) don't even know what a dvd is, lol.

Funny you say that...

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd3zF1CCLmI


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reply to mromero

I couldn't care less about the lack of Blu-Ray on Mac products. I have a dedicated setup in my living room for hi-def movies. Everything else I can stream. Besides, most first-run Blu-ray releases have an included digital product or SD-DVD included.

I've already lived my life around this and will continue to. This only affects you if you want a Mac-based HTPC or if you want to take advantage of Blu-ray's massive storage allowance, in which case you can use an external drive. There's also the option of ripping your Blu-ray movie and playing it from your Mac or Mac-based HTPC. It's a non-issue at this point.
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