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AndrewW

join:2009-03-07
Toronto, ON
kudos:1
reply to sandman_1

Re: [Newsgroups] Dutch Usenet services are doomed

Astraweb was pretty good at ignoring or delaying BREIN takedown requests in the past but that is no longer the case.

I'm glad to see that you're beginning to see the light and acknowledge that Usenet hosting may not be possible in the future in the Netherlands. I think it is inevitable given that BREIN boasts about having taken down over 600 infringing sites and with this latest decision will only be emboldened to go after any remaining, hence NL Usenet is doomed unless you're interested in downloading filler ala Astraweb.

I think you're right that Usenet hosting servers will try to move elsewhere but the problem with that is the clash between the lack of cheap connectivity elsewhere and Usenet users' expectations of high service quality and cheap prices.

Another thing hurting Usenet is torrents. I have easily filled a few of my Usenet requests that were no longer available using torrents and rather surprisingly they were able to saturate my line at over 3MB/s. In some cases that weren't even that many seeders. Users' internet speeds have really gone up of late and it really shows in the torrent speeds.

samphar

join:2012-02-15
Alpharetta, GA
said by AndrewW:

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I think you're right that Usenet hosting servers will try to move elsewhere but the problem with that is the clash between the lack of cheap connectivity elsewhere and Usenet users' expectations of high service quality and cheap prices.

I agree. The days of us maxing out 100mb lines may be numbered if News Service Providers move to countries with weak copyright laws.

Another thing hurting Usenet is torrents. I have easily filled a few of my Usenet requests that were no longer available using torrents and rather surprisingly they were able to saturate my line at over 3MB/s.

Torrents don't hurt usenet since the two services attract slightly different users. You have to pay for usenet unless you are one of the lucky few that have an ISP that provides decent usenet access.. That is one reason the usenet user base tends to be older than the torrent user base. Usenet provides more privacy than having your ip address publicly available for downloading a torrent.
It is true that there is a lot of content on torrents sites not available on usenet but because of it privacy usenet will always have strong appeal for adults downloading adult material. Adult companies like Suze randall and ALS Scan have gone after USenet in the past but so far none of the major porn companies have filed dmca takesdown. If adult started an aggressive DMCA campaign , then I think usenet days in Holland and the US would be numbered.


AndrewW

join:2009-03-07
Toronto, ON
kudos:1
said by samphar:

Torrents don't hurt usenet since the two services attract slightly different users. You have to pay for usenet unless you are one of the lucky few that have an ISP that provides decent usenet access.. That is one reason the usenet user base tends to be older than the torrent user base. Usenet provides more privacy than having your ip address publicly available for downloading a torrent.
It is true that there is a lot of content on torrents sites not available on usenet but because of it privacy usenet will always have strong appeal for adults downloading adult material. Adult companies like Suze randall and ALS Scan have gone after USenet in the past but so far none of the major porn companies have filed dmca takesdown. If adult started an aggressive DMCA campaign , then I think usenet days in Holland and the US would be numbered.

I didn't realize that Usenet's backbone consisted of porn customers. If that's the case and the porn industry is leaving websites that infringe their material alone, then perhaps I spoke too soon. But I find it hard to believe that they won't go after infringing sites given some of their statements to the press as to how badly their industry has been hurt by copyright infringement.

As for torrent anonymity, I believe people are turning to non-logging vpn services to address that issue. Turning to vpns tends to address the geo-ip restrictions that many sites have thus killing two birds with one stone. At any rate, as I am using torrents much more frequently the value of Usenet for me invariably diminishes with time and at some point goes away totally from sheer frustration dealing with incompletes.