Topic 'Re: The end of ####?' in forum 'Canadian Broadband' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27662517 en Mon, 20 May 2013 13:35:55 EDT Mon, 20 May 2013 13:35:55 EDT Re: The end of ####? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27689456 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27689456 Sat, 03 Nov 2012 06:37:51 EDT Re: The end of ####? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27689412 --
Marc - CEO/TekSavvy]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27689412 Sat, 03 Nov 2012 05:19:06 EDT Re: The end of ####? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27689408 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27689408 Sat, 03 Nov 2012 05:11:09 EDT Re: The end of ####? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27689387 --
Marc - CEO/TekSavvy]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27689387 Sat, 03 Nov 2012 04:21:24 EDT Re: The end of ####? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27688920 said by Guspaz:

Randomly changing the subject, whatever happened to netflix caching? They don't peer at TorIX, so you can't get in on that, but are you big enough to justify getting one of their hardware appliances?

An ISP the size of TSI would have no problem meeting the requirements stated by Netflix but that still doesn't guarantee they'll receive the appliance just as meeting peering requirements doesn't guarantee a network will peer with you. I have a hard time believing TSI isn't receiving in excess of 10Gb of traffic from Netflix's CDN partners at the moment.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27688920 Fri, 02 Nov 2012 22:29:33 EDT Re: The end of ####? - or CRTC orders telecom companies to open http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-or-CRTC-orders-telecom-companies-to-open-27688784 said by MaynardKrebs:

2) Powers of Investigation to be added to IC/CRTC mandate - includes audit teams capable of surprise technical inspections, power to demand technical information on-the-spot, power to remove equipment/records for study.

The "power to remove equipment" is largely pointless since the government's liabilities could greatly outweigh anything that may be gained from it and there are no reasons that could possibly justify going anywhere near that far for wholesale rate-setting purposes. The only things required are detailed network diagrams with equipment, cable and various other unit and linear costs.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-or-CRTC-orders-telecom-companies-to-open-27688784 Fri, 02 Nov 2012 21:47:09 EDT Re: The end of ####? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27677566 said by Guspaz:

Randomly changing the subject, whatever happened to netflix caching? They don't peer at TorIX, so you can't get in on that, but are you big enough to justify getting one of their hardware appliances?

Just double checked... We've had it installed for over a month now. Seems to work well.
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Marc - CEO/TekSavvy]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27677566 Tue, 30 Oct 2012 22:16:51 EDT Re: The end of ####? - or CRTC orders telecom companies to open http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-or-CRTC-orders-telecom-companies-to-open-27674394 »Re: Bell Canada's financials and UBB

Re: Bell Canada's financials and UBB
What *is* galling about this is that Bell and all its officers have a legal responsibility to provide accurate information to the investing public (via the analysts) during these conference calls. There are financial and possible criminal sanctions for not doing so.

Yet these same cretins can stand before the CRTC and spout falsehood after falsehood without repercussions, or if there are possible repercussions that they are never enforced.

It's high time for all testimony before the CRTC to be sworn under oath, with severe penalties for false/misleading statements.

1) Corporate Death Penalty - ignore a CRTC ruling once, get fined $1mm/DAY; ignore the same or another ruling twice, get fined $10MM/DAY retroactive to the date of the first ruling; ignore a new or the same ruling a third time, the corporation's charter is cancelled and corporation is placed in receivership - shareholder's equity wiped out, corporation executives & directors placed on trial for contempt with all penalties payable personally.

2) Powers of Investigation to be added to IC/CRTC mandate - includes audit teams capable of surprise technical inspections, power to demand technical information on-the-spot, power to remove equipment/records for study. penalties for failure to comply are same as 1) above.

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It's also Shaw being candid with investors and liars to the CRTC.

»www.shaw.ca/uploadedFiles/Corpor···inal.pdf (see link at top of page for working link to this document)

Slide #5 (numbers at lower left)
In the future, we believe our usage based billing plan will enable the further monetization of our Internet business as data usage becomes more prevalent and common amongst our customer base (ie. streaming of video)

Slide 19
Over-the-top applications (i.e. Global TV website, Hulu etc.) relating to the viewing of traditional broadcasting will become more common in the future and management of content will help mitigate this risk to our core business

Let's be clear in all this:
Monetizing / monetization are code words for "profit centre", and not "cost recovery" or "behaviour modification".]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-or-CRTC-orders-telecom-companies-to-open-27674394 Tue, 30 Oct 2012 09:32:46 EDT Re: The end of ####? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27674294
Netflix caching.. Yeah for sure. I'll get details of where that's at.
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Marc - CEO/TekSavvy]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27674294 Tue, 30 Oct 2012 09:03:37 EDT Re: The end of ####? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27673650 said by TSI Marc:

LOL that is a great line. I was watching it the other day.. it's on Netflix now.

Another movie with tons of a great lines is Fight club. some that can't really be repeated here hehe.

I also re-watched it recently, it's a favourite. Well, I've liked most of the Luc Besson movies that I've seen, for that matter.

Randomly changing the subject, whatever happened to netflix caching? They don't peer at TorIX, so you can't get in on that, but are you big enough to justify getting one of their hardware appliances?
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CRTC Chair sez:
The rates we set are based on costing data filed with the CRTC by the incumbents, much of it on a confidential basis.

We have questioned the need for so much to be confidential. Last Friday, we issued new guidelines that will lead to more costing data being made available for public review and scrutiny. Once it’s out in the open, it can be tested and challenged, which will make it much easier for us to set fair and reasonable rates, and will give all parties stronger grounds for trust in the result. This should cut down on the review-and-vary proceedings, which in the past have delayed access by Canadians to competitive services.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27672120 Mon, 29 Oct 2012 16:31:09 EDT Re: The end of ####? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27671946 said by to add :

Just to add to the above...

If we look at the title of what's coming up at the "new" CRTC for 2013-2014:
"Review of methods used to establish wholesale prices"

It just makes sense to me.

I think the R and Vs will be resolved as soon as possible, but that the CRTC does plan to hold a proceeding to figure out a different, simpler and less controversial way of setting wholesale rates. That's likely what that will end up being...
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Marc - CEO/TekSavvy]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27671946 Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:25:01 EDT Re: The end of ####? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27671346 said by TSI Marc:

LOL that is a great line. I was watching it the other day.. it's on Netflix now.

Another movie with tons of a great lines is Fight club. some that can't really be repeated here hehe.

Another goodie. Demolition man!
"You can take this job and you can shovel it!"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27671346 Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:16:33 EDT Re: The end of ####? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27670936
Another movie with tons of a great lines is Fight club. some that can't really be repeated here hehe.
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Marc - CEO/TekSavvy]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27670936 Mon, 29 Oct 2012 11:47:32 EDT Re: The end of ####? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27670871 said by daeron:

Another fifth element fan! huzzah we do exist! I love that movie :)

Soooo many good lines in that movie, my favourite is "Negative, I am a meat popsicle" (which I manage to fit into every day conversation perhaps a little too frequently) ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27670871 Mon, 29 Oct 2012 11:30:05 EDT Re: The end of ####? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27670668 said by TSI Marc:

said by Atticka:

Milla Jovovich fan?

LOL yeah, I was surprised nobody noticed sooner! Fifth element more than her but ya. Great movie.

Another fifth element fan! huzzah we do exist! I love that movie :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27670668 Mon, 29 Oct 2012 10:44:14 EDT Re: The end of ####? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27669062 said by Atticka:

Milla Jovovich fan?

LOL yeah, I was surprised nobody noticed sooner! Fifth element more than her but ya. Great movie.
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Marc - CEO/TekSavvy]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27669062 Sun, 28 Oct 2012 18:14:29 EDT Re: The end of ####? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27668350 said by rocca:

Thanks! :)

NP.
Just remember. No alcohol or sex a full week before the next CRTC fight ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27668350 Sun, 28 Oct 2012 13:26:04 EDT Re: The end of ####? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27668235 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27668235 Sun, 28 Oct 2012 12:35:36 EDT Re: The end of ####? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27668053 said by rocca:

You missed highlighting one. ;)

We're all testing you to make sure you remain sharp and in shape.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27668053 Sun, 28 Oct 2012 11:18:15 EDT Re: The end of ####? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27668044
"I'm hopeful we'll see rates that make sense, if not then I'd expect that the new policy would have to be used to add more transparency to a review."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27668044 Sun, 28 Oct 2012 11:08:19 EDT Re: The end of ####? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27667626 said by rocca:

Yes, absolutely. The second part of my quote was "given the recent direction of the CRTC, I'd be surprised to not see some significant scrutiny of the numbers provided by the incumbents".

As the 703 file is closed and awaiting decision it would be out of process to ask for a change prior to the decision coming out.

I'm hopeful we'll see rates that make sense, if not then I'd expect that the new policy would have to be used to add more transparency to a review. The Commission asked some really good questions during the interrogatories, they're doing their homework, and hopefully we'll see something more sustainable that everyone can work with without having to reopen this can of worms again.

 
But AFTER that decision has been pronounced, would not a further R&V be appropriate, particularly considering alleged concealment of cooked numbers by (at least) Bell ?

If Bell was not so corporately paranoid as to feel that they even NEEDED to file things in confidence in the first place, we also would never have needed such new rules as have now been seen coming down the pipe.

And as for cans of worms, my father used to say "Once you open a can of worms, the only way to get them all back into the can is to use a BIGGER can."

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If we look at the title of what's coming up at the "new" CRTC for 2013-2014:
"Review of methods used to establish wholesale prices"

It just makes sense to me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27666150 Sat, 27 Oct 2012 13:44:38 EDT Re: The end of ####? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27666158 said by hm :

I don't know. As some regulatory person I assume you are correct. ...
I mean, if the issue of rates come up, and it will in 2013, it's in your own best interest to think up creative ways as to why it needs to be on public record (doubt, double-dipping, or other), and you need to engage the public to support you.

Yes, absolutely. The second part of my quote was "given the recent direction of the CRTC, I'd be surprised to not see some significant scrutiny of the numbers provided by the incumbents". As the 703 file is closed and awaiting decision it would be out of process to ask for a change prior to the decision coming out. I'm hopeful we'll see rates that make sense, if not then I'd expect that the new policy would have to be used to add more transparency to a review. The Commission asked some really good questions during the interrogatories, they're doing their homework, and hopefully we'll see something more sustainable that everyone can work with without having to reopen this can of worms again.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27666158 Sat, 27 Oct 2012 13:35:58 EDT Re: The end of ####? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27666100 said by rocca:

While it has to adhere to the 'old' rules prior to the transparency victory today

I don't know. As some regulatory person I assume you are correct. But, I was looking it over and reading different things about it and saw this quote pulled over @ cartt.ca:

“The Commission notes that the rules with respect to the treatment and disclosure of confidential information are set out in sections 30 to 34 of the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission Rules of Practice and Procedure (the Rules of Procedure). The Commission considers that any disclosure requests will be guided by subsection 39(4) of the Act, based on evidence submitted by parties and using the disclosure guidelines set out in this decision as the basis for its determinations.”

Seems to me that either you at CNOC, or PIAC, CIPPIC, Consumers Union, Vaxination (JF), or open Media (or others, including public comments of participation) need to make some claims in your next filings/war:
»laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regu···tml#h-16

Section 32 & 33 & 34: Public interest versus Direct harm:
Bell et al always cite "direct harm", never public interest.
(except for Rogers who claims the public is not interested, doesn't want to know, and data on public records should be expunged).

Tens of thousands of people submitting comments over the years is certainly public interest. No? Also the wild cost variance that occurred during wholesale costing is another.

Blais and the "new" CRTC have the balance in their hands. Up to you guys to try and convince him which way that balance needs to tilt.

I mean, if the issue of rates come up, and it will in 2013, it's in your own best interest to think up creative ways as to why it needs to be on public record (doubt, double-dipping, or other), and you need to engage the public to support you.

Seems to me you just need to open old wounds to get the ball going on opening the old grandfathered costing data. At least, that's what I understand from this "new" CRTC. Maybe that's why they are giving this phase 2 an entire year to complete, till 2014.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27666100 Sat, 27 Oct 2012 13:25:44 EDT Re: The end of ####? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27665798 said by MaynardKrebs:

....They HAVE to disclose lots of stuff truthfully & accurately, else their Dear Leader will have to watch out that he doesn't drop a bar of soap in the prison shower.

I wonder how he'd COPE....

 
....with the SOAP ?! :D

He'd prob'ly say something like "@#$%& !"

Which is quite different from "#####".]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27665798 Sat, 27 Oct 2012 11:06:47 EDT Re: The end of ####? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27665196 said by hm :

Seems to be in relation to this (best I can come up with): Billing practices for wholesale residential high-speed access services »www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2011/2011-703.htm
So something is happening before the end of the year (unless I am just lost in all these filings now).

Yes, 2012-703 is the big one left. While it has to adhere to the 'old' rules prior to the transparency victory today, given the recent direction of the CRTC, I'd be surprised to not see some significant scrutiny of the numbers provided by the incumbents.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27665196 Sat, 27 Oct 2012 01:01:12 EDT Re: The end of ####? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27665169 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27665169 Sat, 27 Oct 2012 00:28:12 EDT Re: The end of ####? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27665132 said by Gone:

Yeah, but even if they cook the numbers there are enough people out there who would be able to put two and two together and see through the bullshit. That, and cooking the numbers too badly could have a negative impact on share or put them into a bad competitive situation with other incumbents.

Considering that we now seem to be in an era where the CRTC has no issue laying an incumbent over their knee and providing them with a hard spanking, it's likely that if the numbers are cooked and don't pass the sniff test, the CRTC would be quick to call them on it, too.

Any company issuing securities in the US has to comply with Sarbanes-Oxley. They HAVE to disclose lots of stuff truthfully & accurately, else their Dear Leader will have to watch out that he doesn't drop a bar of soap in the prison shower. I wonder how he'd Cope.

The information they have to file in the US in a prospectus or annual filings won't be Level II costing but there's a lot of stuff which can be used to figure things out. Ditto for analyst conference calls (also required to be truthful and reasonably accurate).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27665132 Sat, 27 Oct 2012 00:03:14 EDT Re: The end of ####? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27664910 said by TSI Marc:

Lol yeah, you're driving me to drink!

...it's not so bad if you keep on top of it as it goes. Catching up is a bit of a pain.

Liquor store has gotten a new brand of small batch bourbon in.

Yummmy
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...it's not so bad if you keep on top of it as it goes. Catching up is a bit of a pain.
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Someone make a flow chart of all these filings in review, in process, in privy council, in court, or to be re-reviewed. tgif]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27664595 Fri, 26 Oct 2012 20:50:18 EDT Re: The end of ####? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27664559
I'm looking into it too.
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Marc - CEO/TekSavvy]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27664559 Fri, 26 Oct 2012 20:28:09 EDT Re: The end of ####? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27664511 "Applications
Wholesale high-speed access services billing implementation" under the heading of 2012.

Seems to be in relation to this (best I can come up with):
Billing practices for wholesale residential high-speed access services
»www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2011/2011-703.htm

So something is happening before the end of the year (unless I am just lost in all these filings now).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27664511 Fri, 26 Oct 2012 20:17:37 EDT Re: The end of ####? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27664441 --
Marc - CEO/TekSavvy]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27664441 Fri, 26 Oct 2012 19:51:09 EDT Re: The end of ####? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27664312
If we review the "new" CRTC's 3 year plan it seems they are really sticking to their guns. So far they did quite a bit.

See:
»www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/backgrnd/plan2012.htm

If we scroll down to the table titled, "Connect" we see they took care of the first phase of costing today. Seems the 2nd phase, "Review of methods used to establish wholesale prices" will take place next year and into the following year.

So if prices do get indeed get affected, we won't be seeing it, it seems, till 2014. At least that what it shows.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27664312 Fri, 26 Oct 2012 19:33:25 EDT Re: The end of ####? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27663634 said by mazhurg:

http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/com100/2012/r121026.htm

Once companies submit their costs and proposed rates to the CRTC, that information is made public. With this additional data, interested parties will be able to provide a more informed analysis.

»www.itworldcanada.com/news/large···c/146318
Bill Sandiford, chairman of the Canadian Network Operators Consortium (CNOC), stated: “extremely pro-competitive” ruling that will ensure Canadians have access to better-priced Internet service from a variety of providers.

Since we have cost + mark-up, I don't see Bell, Rogers and Videotron gladly giving that info w/o a fight. If anything, I expect to see more collusion and more regulatory foot dragging with the telco's/cable-co's now in regards to justifying their costs.

Will be interesting to see the outcome of this, but I don't expect to see prices drop like CNOC is saying. At least not anything significant.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27663634 Fri, 26 Oct 2012 18:01:35 EDT Re: The end of ####? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27663787
I'm sure we'll get to see some *interesting* stuff! I'm thinking many things will have been double counted... that's the place I'm most keen to look at. Dry loops?? are you kiding me!?
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They start with how much bonuses they need, then they calculate how much profit will result in those bonuses, then they calculate how much revenues they need to achieve that profit considering the general expenses, and with that, they finally figure out the costs of bits sold. Once they have that, they make the tariffs to stay 'profitable'!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27663764 Fri, 26 Oct 2012 16:15:16 EDT Re: The end of ####? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27663741 --
Marc - CEO/TekSavvy]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27663741 Fri, 26 Oct 2012 16:10:38 EDT Re: The end of ####? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27663450
In some instances I think CNOC was allowed to see some data off public record, but I don't know how much.

So how will this affect current situations with filings (secret cost studies, ####) made a year or more ago? Anything?

Can CNOC, PIAC, Consumers Union, CIPPIC, or CAIP actually go back and demand values that were hidden to now be placed on public record? If so, will it change anything?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27663450 Fri, 26 Oct 2012 15:57:37 EDT Re: The end of ####? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27663235 said by mazhurg:

....The cynic in me thinks we are going to go from ##### to cooked numbers, or meaningless data.

 
SH## !

What EVER will we rename B#ELL, if THAT comes to pass ???!!! :p

= = = = = = =

On a related news item, I heard that Bell has hired The Swedish Chef to cook the numbers for them, Bork, Bork, Bork !!! :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27663235 Fri, 26 Oct 2012 14:28:36 EDT Re: The end of ####? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27663160 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27663160 Fri, 26 Oct 2012 14:11:07 EDT Re: The end of ####? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27662733
Considering that we now seem to be in an era where the CRTC has no issue laying an incumbent over their knee and providing them with a hard spanking, it's likely that if the numbers are cooked and don't pass the sniff test, the CRTC would be quick to call them on it, too.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27662733 Fri, 26 Oct 2012 12:29:06 EDT Re: The end of ####? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27662662
that would make for a great headline in the news though! The high is very high and the low hits us hard and we dont like it lots and so it's a very high bad. big boom, bada boom! bada big boom!
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"Transit costs are very high, profit is very low. Shareholder payout is almost nothing. Upkeep expenses are even higher than very high.
Markup can be low, but our costs are very high, so final tariffs should be even higher than very high.
In summary, we need a lot more. "]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27662562 Fri, 26 Oct 2012 11:49:25 EDT Re: The end of ####? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27662526 --
Marc - CEO/TekSavvy]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-end-of-27662526 Fri, 26 Oct 2012 11:39:57 EDT The end of ####? - or CRTC orders telecom companies to open http://www.dslreports.com/forum/The-end-of-or-CRTC-orders-telecom-companies-to-open-27662517
»www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/com100/2012/r121026.htm

Once companies submit their costs and proposed rates to the CRTC, that information is made public. With this additional data, interested parties will be able to provide a more informed analysis.


The cynic in me thinks we are going to go from ##### to cooked numbers, or meaningless data.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/The-end-of-or-CRTC-orders-telecom-companies-to-open-27662517 Fri, 26 Oct 2012 11:38:01 EDT