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Exodus
Your Daddy
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Re: [MoP] How to motivate the rest of my guild

There is only one solution to this problem.

Mal'Ganis - Horde side.
djlar
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Raiding worthy guilds I want to apply, that actually can clear normal MSV, even if I was there before and demonstrated I'm a capable player geared enough for the raid, asking to fill a very long and tiresome application form, like I'm going to tell them the name of my first dog and names of my high school buddies to apply and like I going to remember the last 10 guilds I was in before. Sorry I'm here to play not to tell you a full story of my life dude (the recruiter).

I'm not even showing them my UI, it's my own, I use my keybinds as I please, my brain is not the same as you pal!. and like there's a valid world of logs I have right now since I've raid so little this expansion, I'm not looking for a DS one that I could remember..

Why they don't just let me try out, if I'm good I stay if not I leave.. simple as that..

Then it's back to pugging, where is no such complaints.. it could go well or very bad as in zero bosses downed bad in 3 hours.. that's a risk right now..

s1deout
Geek4Life
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It might come to that. If we can't find a people to build our guild then the wife and I are talking server xfer .

Sad thing is I just xferred over all my 85's about 9 months ago.

Exodus
Your Daddy
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Never raid on a low pop server. Missing players? You can go to trade chat and pick up 3 within 5 minutes.

Jobbie
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said by Exodus:

There is only one solution to this problem.

Mal'Ganis - Horde side.

Archivis has a very good point. The server has a lot to do on this, last night I joined a trade pug, it was 6 guildies and us 4 pugs we went in with no expectations and we downed dogs and got feng to third phase with our best attempt at 15% before people (mostly the pugs) left. Then the rest got together and went to the Summit and put a Sha kill together in minutes.

Now we have to say this, even if you don't get in with your guild people has to be self motivated enough to do whatever it takes to go in experience and learn the fights.
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said by Exodus:

Never raid on a low pop server. Missing players? You can go to trade chat and pick up 3 within 5 minutes.

1 min apart.

s1deout
Geek4Life
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Yea I hear you about being on a low pop server. Although our's is a medium pop one. There as a MV raid last nite looking for about an hour for 3 or 4 people.

As far as going horde , never been horde , always been alliance so not sure how that would xfer over if I server transferred.

Our guild goals:

1. Successfully raid current content with 10's. Not hardcore but not casual either.
2. Build a solid bench with a couple of replacements.
3. Provide a friendly guild atmosphere where people are not pressured into raiding or anything else.
4. If you do commit to raid , then you fully commit is all we ask.

We have one person who has like 3 90's but does not want to raid and just enjoys playing the game.

Guess for now I will have to play on both sides of the fence. Trying to build our raid team and keeping my options open for a new home.

Any server suggestions for xferring?

Krisnatharok
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said by s1deout:

Any server suggestions for xferring?

Mal'Ganis horde-side

DarkLogix
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Baytown, TX

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DarkLogix

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Must kill horde.

Being on a PvP server has caused me to kill random horde

sorry you took a quest mob, you must die now.

or

sorry I thought you were a quest mob, but you attacked back so you die now.

some unknown horde killed me, you die now.

Exodus
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We have unlimited raiding, no dependency on a guild, a level 25 guild for a home (if you want).

Jobbie
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said by DarkLogix:

Must kill horde.

Being on a PvP server has caused me to kill random horde

sorry you took a quest mob, you must die now.

or

sorry I thought you were a quest mob, but you attacked back so you die now.

some unknown horde killed me, you die now.

LoL Since now I have 90s on both factions, I've been enjoying killing both Horde and Alliance equally. It is really cool to be able to see both sides of the story and it will get better with the next patches.

@s1deout: It doesn't hurt to try new things, if you want to see the horde side feel free to transfer to Mal'ganis Aftershock and for Alliance we have Pride and Ego on Nathzreim and Pandora's guild. All of them have DSLR folks to play with.
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said by DarkLogix See Profile
some unknown horde killed me, you die now.

Also,

Lies, mages never die, ever.

DarkLogix
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said by Jobbie:

said by DarkLogix See Profile
some unknown horde killed me, you die now.

Also,

Lies, mages never die, ever.

Well I was doing the elite mob for GL dailies (it was the spider)
and I didn't realize that an horde was attacking me, I thought the adds were just hitting hard, then I died and realized a horde got me.

I still got kill credit even though I was in ghost form.

I think it was a dirt rotten mob stealin preist that I had killed a bit before, and they made use of the elite to get me.
djlar
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I had my own Horde attacking me, sort of speak...

A rare spanws in front of me, I begin killing him, he has some mechanics, so I move from stuff, kite a little and self heal, was doing fine, 20% left, some hordies saw me, they aggroed several mobs to me, they vanished/feign dead and suddlenly I had like 10 adds and that rare to handle, I couldn't survive and they got the rare tag, there were like 3 people doing that..

So expect friends and same faction foes in this realm..

Immer
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Immer

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said by djlar:

they aggroed several mobs to me, they vanished/feign dead and suddenly I had like 10 adds and that rare to handle, I couldn't survive and they got the rare tag, there were like 3 people doing that..

that's horrible.

JB9
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Yep, I cringe every time I get someone from M'G in my LFD/LFR group. Don't think I've ran into one nice person from that realm in a while.
djlar
join:2009-04-23
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They could have ask for an invite... who the flap needs an i442 blue item from the rare anyways.

Jobbie
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Fun fact when you transfer factions in MoP, you will lose ALL your flight paths and will have to do the initial quests to get the portal to pandaria you will retain the coins from the legendary quest but your quest log will be erased so thread carefuly and go talk with Wrathion again to get it back.

Also every Grummy you see will offer you the quest "The Road to Kun-Lai" until you complete it.

So it is better to do it at 90 so you can just fly around getting your FP's back while doing your dailies in the zone.

Venom14
join:2011-10-21
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no dependency on a guild

sounds like one helluva guild

Lothario
join:2009-09-30
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Full pop means not having to rely exclusively on guild activities...

DarkLogix
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And then you let your guild down by being locked when they need you.

Immer
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Immer

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There are mitigating factors to both issues, guys. The 'pro' of being on a high pop server is you don't need the guild to do something. It also means that the guild doesn't need you to get stuff done, either.

Archivis is right in that, if you are looking for a way to do end-game content at the pace and convenience of a console game, go high-pop, high-progression server and pug to your heart's content.

If you are more of a guild=family player, then high-pop/high-progression server is not nearly as critical an element for your goals. Not everyone finds happiness in NYC or LA... some people prefer the suburbs and even rural Americana.
cigtyme
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I've been on both high pop and med-low pop servers and both can be wonderful. If you PvP high is awesome, there is just more people to kill. Low-Med pop is way better for the guild styled raider. enuff guildies normally to raid, but also enough social networking to get Pugs that are people guildies know, sso in effect it is not really a pug. On the other hand a high pop server means a player can raid whenever and whatever they want to raid due to the sheer number of players on at any particular time.

Jobbie
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said by Venom14:

said by Exodus:

no dependency on a guild

sounds like one helluva guild

It actually is, lets not go that road again.
said by DarkLogix:

And then you let your guild down by being locked when they need you.

Not really, if there is going to be a raid that week you just don't do anything else to get saved. But if for some reason the raid doesn't happen you still have options to get a decent pug going. It is actually happening now that people is still leveling I can get Sha, LFR, and a MV run the same week no problem.

Exodus
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said by DarkLogix:

And then you let your guild down by being locked when they need you.

Raids only lock you from loot tables, not from the instance. I've gone back and helped people through LFR or through raids even if I was locked from the loot tables. The "guild" doesn't need anyone. You want to run? Great. If not, that's fine.

This is a foreign concept to people who are not used to this environment. We've been here for a few years now.

Immer
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said by Exodus:

LFR Raids only lock you from loot tables, not from the instance.


Exodus
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said by Immer:

There are mitigating factors to both issues, guys. The 'pro' of being on a high pop server is you don't need the guild to do something. It also means that the guild doesn't need you to get stuff done, either.

Archivis is right in that, if you are looking for a way to do end-game content at the pace and convenience of a console game, go high-pop, high-progression server and pug to your heart's content.

If you are more of a guild=family player, then high-pop/high-progression server is not nearly as critical an element for your goals. Not everyone finds happiness in NYC or LA... some people prefer the suburbs and even rural Americana.

I want to correct you here, because you're making assumptions that because our guild sits on a high-pop server, that we don't have a family-type mentality. We just happen to feel that our "family" mentality doesn't stop the moment you no longer can raid. In fact, the family mentality exists outside of the game. There are a ton of people who play in the DSLR community together across a plethora of games.

I only say this because of the context of your guild and my own. Your analogy of low pop/high pop servers and suburbs vs cities doesn't make any sense at all.

How fun is it to spend week after week allocating a specific time slot to a raid, only to have to sit there and call it because people didn't show up? How much resentment does it bring up when someone doesn't show up, transfers off your server, has a real life emergency, kid aggro, etc? Then you're stuck calling the raid and everyone gets irritated because they could have done something else.

Raiding on Mal'Ganis is as natural as joining a heroic or a battleground or LFR itself. Mal'Ganis was LFR before the LFR tool existed. You have 7 people on and everyone has a ton of time to burn? Go grab three more pugs and fire it up. Do this enough and eventually you get guild alliances and pools of qualified people to pull from that will almost guarantee you a full group any time you want.

Immer
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Immer

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That was more about correcting the perception of your guild environment than correcting my post. I said nothing that was incorrect. I made no accusations, I merely reflected your canned responses to the OP's dilemma. Your answer to everyone is move to a high-pop server with high progression. That is analogous to moving to a high-population city like NYC. It works for many people... not all. I was only trying to provide the OP with a different point of view.

You run a small guild that has been around for along time. As the leader of your guild, how it is perceived by people on this forum who've never been in your guild is a reflection of how you are perceived in your forum posts. I have no control over that, nor am I responsible for it.

But what do I know?... I've never run the largest guild on Feathermoon before.

Jobbie
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oh man... here we go again.

Exodus
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said by Jobbie:

oh man... here we go again.

I think we can let people's experiences speak for themself.