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EHamilton1

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Re: Lifeline Internet Service

I've already heard that many Christian social service agencies & veterans organizations met with the FCC to encourage the move to assist the truly needy with Internet access. As a representative for the U.S. Social Security Administration, I talk with many senior citizens & disabled Americans about how our current economic crisis can be eased in some way. Many have expressed frustration over missed opportunities because of the cost of Internet access. Several public & religious social service agencies are aware of the FCC's new LIFELINE INTERNET program and are awaiting further word on when it will be implemented so they can provide some assistance to the needy in their areas.

Unfortunately, I have read some public comments on the Internet from the "more fortunate" who do not want the FCC's Lifeline Internet to help low-income Americans with this program. It's a sad commentary on how the present well-to-do (or the ignorant)in our society have sunk into moral decay. Moral values of past generations have little interest to these immorals. Their comments show no real knowledge or understanding of the social problems of our needy fellow Americans! I believe that the FCC's Lifeline INTERNET program will be a worthwhile venture for truly qualified low-income Americans.


whoaru99

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said by EHamilton1 :

I've already heard that many Christian social service agencies & veterans organizations met with the FCC to encourage the move to assist the truly needy with Internet access. As a representative for the U.S. Social Security Administration, I talk with many senior citizens & disabled Americans about how our current economic crisis can be eased in some way. Many have expressed frustration over missed opportunities because of the cost of Internet access. Several public & religious social service agencies are aware of the FCC's new LIFELINE INTERNET program and are awaiting further word on when it will be implemented so they can provide some assistance to the needy in their areas.

Unfortunately, I have read some public comments on the Internet from the "more fortunate" who do not want the FCC's Lifeline Internet to help low-income Americans with this program. It's a sad commentary on how the present well-to-do (or the ignorant)in our society have sunk into moral decay. Moral values of past generations have little interest to these immorals. Their comments show no real knowledge or understanding of the social problems of our needy fellow Americans! I believe that the FCC's Lifeline INTERNET program will be a worthwhile venture for truly qualified low-income Americans.

The more times I read this the further off base I think it is in regard to morals. The older generations I know seemed to believe, in simplest terms, that if you couldn't afford something you just did without it until you could. They didn't expect a government bailout, so to speak.


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The older generations also took family responsibilities much differently. To that end, they also defined families much differently. A wife could be a foundation within a home while one income could support the house, transportation, food & clothing and healthcare...plus the occasional entertainment evening.

Nowadays, that single income (all too often) accompanies a single parent. That single parent may or may not be able to provide the foundations needed to raise a child to be independent (of support from others), but there are programs available help give that child a chance...even if the single parent doesn't set a positive example.

I wholeheartedly agree that personal responsibility towards means/ends is sorely lacking these days...especially in the US, but "lines" have been drawn across many aspects of life that greatly differ these days from those of yesterday's generation. An eye on the realities of today will see that "government assistance" can't always be lumped into "bailouts" (so to speak). Sometime, they really could be an opportunity.



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said by whoaru99:

The more times I read this the further off base I think it is in regard to morals. The older generations I know seemed to believe, in simplest terms, that if you couldn't afford something you just did without it until you could. They didn't expect a government bailout, so to speak.

But in this day in age you never will be able to afford it without it.

Examples,

Need a job to get internet but need internet to apply for jobs in 2012+.

Need a job to get a car but need a car to get to a job if you don't live in a big city with mass transit.

Family member nice enough to hand you a car to get a job? Well it still takes gas to get to work until your first paycheck in three weeks.

It all boils down to IT TAKES MONEY TO MAKE MONEY and since so many irresponsible people keep reproducing at a astounding rate without being able to properly support their offspring and get them started post highschool/college the government is having to step in to help them get started.

I know two 22 yr olds. Both have two happily married parents.

Person A's parents are both uneducated living on social security after wearing their body's out doing min wage labor work all their lives.

Person B's parents own their own successful business.

Person A is still living at home unable to get a job in the small town they live in thus also unable to get a car to drive to a bigger town to find work.

Person B is currently making $3,600 a month after his parents bought him a car in cash as a HS graduation present, paid for one semester of technical college post high school, then co-signed a apartment in a big city and paid for 6 months of rent and living expenses so he could work the good job he found after his semester of technical college.

My point is, if one can not afford to be like person B's parents, they should not be reproducing. This is what is wrong with the world!
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said by DaSneaky1D:

The older generations also took family responsibilities much differently. To that end, they also defined families much differently. A wife could be a foundation within a home while one income could support the house, transportation, food & clothing and healthcare...plus the occasional entertainment evening.

Nowadays, that single income (all too often) accompanies a single parent. That single parent may or may not be able to provide the foundations needed to raise a child to be independent (of support from others), but there are programs available help give that child a chance...even if the single parent doesn't set a positive example.

I wholeheartedly agree that personal responsibility towards means/ends is sorely lacking these days...especially in the US, but "lines" have been drawn across many aspects of life that greatly differ these days from those of yesterday's generation. An eye on the realities of today will see that "government assistance" can't always be lumped into "bailouts" (so to speak). Sometime, they really could be an opportunity.

Heh, you're kind of saying what I'm saying a little but in a more polite manor.

There are a few "ethically good" poor that "do everything their supposed to do" but can't get anywhere or get anything because they have no foundation to start from which should have been the parents responsibility. They eventually get bored in the rut and reproduce starting the cycle all over again.

I would like to see a govt program that catches these few before that happens, offering huge incentive grants to get started for those from poor families that have been responsible by not reproducing and stop creating programs like Welfare that reward people for being irresponsible.

Currently there are no programs that I am aware of to help someone from a poor family right out of high school to get started with their own home and own vehicle. Oh, but if they go reproduce right out of high school they can get Welfare!!! THIS NEEDS TO BE CHANGED!

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My parent were not what I'd consider well to do. My dad was a truck driver, my mom was a stay at home mom, myself and two younger brothers. Parents didn't have the money to buy me or my brothers cars, they didn't have the money to put us through college.

I didn't stay at home living in the basement, I went into the military. Granted, I only stayed in 4 years but it got me grounded and got me started. My middle brother worked, lots, to put himself through Vo-Tech school. My youngest brother, bless his heart, doesn't do much which we don't really understand because he is pretty tech savvy and smart. Two out of three are doing well, what accounts for the other? I can tell you it was choices and decisions he made, not that he got any better or worse start than us or has some sort of disability.

I got a good chuckle out of the "can't afford a car to get to the job across town" line because I've heard that from my youngest bro a number of times. At one time I even offered to give him one of my older cars instead of selling it, but he didn't want it. Too expensive for gas and insurance, yet, he seems to have money to afford a big screen TV, fast Internet connection, etc., etc.

When I got out I got a job and have done fairly well. Certainly not rich, but I do OK. Point being, I think in most cases there are ways to get started even if one's parents or whatever can't do it. If that can happen, great, more power to ya, but it doesn't have to happen to make life work.



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said by whoaru99:

My parent were not what I'd consider well to do. My dad was a truck driver, my mom was a stay at home mom, myself and two younger brothers. Parents didn't have the money to buy me or my brothers cars, they didn't have the money to put us through college.

I didn't stay at home living in the basement, I went into the military. Granted, I only stayed in 4 years but it got me grounded and got me started. My middle brother worked, lots, to put himself through Vo-Tech school. My youngest brother, bless his heart, doesn't do much which we don't really understand because he is pretty tech savvy and smart. Two out of three are doing well, what accounts for the other? I can tell you it was choices and decisions he made, not that he got any better or worse start than us or has some sort of disability.

I got a good chuckle out of the "can't afford a car to get to the job across town" line because I've heard that from my youngest bro a number of times. At one time I even offered to give him one of my older cars instead of selling it, but he didn't want it. Too expensive for gas and insurance, yet, he seems to have money to afford a big screen TV, fast Internet connection, etc., etc.

When I got out I got a job and have done fairly well. Certainly not rich, but I do OK. Point being, I think in most cases there are ways to get started even if one's parents or whatever can't do it. If that can happen, great, more power to ya, but it doesn't have to happen to make life work.

+1

Exact same way I grew up and got started, except I only stayed in the service for 3 years. Never had my parents buy me a car, or even a peddle bike, for that matter.

A good example of how lazy people (kids) are now a days is the fact that no one goes from building to building looking for work. Everybody hires through temp agencies now, so kids don't have a clue how to land a job, let alone the incentive to look.

Could go on and on, but this could start sounding like flame bait!!
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I guess you don't comprehend the sheer depth of fraud and waste the lifeline program has become.

I'm not one of the "More fortunate." It's called I get out and work for what I want, and as it is get squeezed on every side. The massive fraud and waste in the Lifeline program already costs every working american in the terms of line items and fees on their bills--- and it keeps going up as the Free Cell phones are handed out like Halloween candy.... so pardon me for not being so excited to hear that the next new giveaway that I'll be paying for is now free or extremely low cost broadband.

The fiscal cliff is coming, and it's not going to be pretty watching the nation implode from within.
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