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Jundee80

join:2012-11-06
Canada

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reply to Lone Wolf

Re: Holmes Fan Forum closed !?!

Sorry, I still have to get used to how this forum works.

The post from Mike was from his facebook page.

The next 2 messages were replies to mike's post.

The last line "I've been informed etc." was from me.
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Jundee80

join:2012-11-06
Canada
reply to How I see it

The closing of the forum had nothing to do with what you're assuming.

Mike has always advocated to use pros. That's just how he feels about it & I can understand that because he has come across to much crappy work done by amateurs to feel like that.

But there are a lot of talented DIY people that get permits, know what they can handle & what they should not try to do.

And we received enough complaints from people who used supposed pros & who ended up being taken to the cleaners.

All our moderators were professionals in their respective fields and we had many experienced contractors & trades people as members. You can generally tell pretty quick if people know what they're talking about or if they're just blowing hot air.

There were always members who tried to do stuff they should leave alone & get professionals, usually because they didn't have the money or wanted to save money.

In those instances we would advise them to get a professional.

Which was also the reason why we did not allow people to recommed contractors or trades people, no matter how terrific the member claimed they were because we had no way to check the veracity of what was claimed.

Jundee

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Jundee80

join:2012-11-06
Canada

I should also mention that the Fan Forum had the usual disclaimers that almost all forums have.

Just like HGTV have it on their website & Mike Holmes has a page on his TV show.

Jundee
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seadragon

join:2012-11-08
Guelph, ON

I too was a long time member of the fan forum and enjoyed it very much. I am not happy to see the forum closed, but more so, how it was closed. The front door was slammed shut it everyones' face. It's too bad really, because members got to know each other a bit and now have no way of communicating with them. It just would have been nice to exchange contact info if anything else.

The only thing I can think of was that some legal action shut it down. That's just a guess on my part. Otherwise, the sudden closure just doesn't seem to fit the culture of how the forum was run.

Nice to see you Jundee! I know you put a lot of effort and time into helping run the forum. And thanks for all the information and links you posted over the years!



PSWired

join:2006-03-26
Annapolis, MD

Keep in mind DSLReports forum topics get very good Google ranks--this thread turns up at the top of the list when "holmes fan forum" is Googled. I bet you can get in touch with a bunch of the regulars through this topic.


Jundee80

join:2012-11-06
Canada

That's what I'm hoping.
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Jundee80


Jundee80

join:2012-11-06
Canada
reply to PSWired

Hi, Seadragon, nice to find you here. Maybe some more members from our forum will find their way here.

I don't believe there were any legal reasons for the closure. I have a theory of why it was closed.

Before I get to that I should mention that Mike was in Central America, visiting one of the SOS Children's Villages he sponsors & he just returned from there quite ill & is now recuperating.

This re-enforces the fact that he knew nothing about the closure & that the post on his Face book page was put there by someone else.

Now to my theory.

Mike is a contractor while the person who persuaded him to start the show was a big wheel with one of the big TV production companies in Canada. He is now one of the top executives with the Holmes Group.

With Mike involved with actual production of the show, interviews, writing a column for the Globe & Mail, appearing on a multitude of TV shows to promote his operation, writing
books, the Holmes Foundation, the Alberta Housing Development, SKILLS Canada, his support of various charities, he would not bother with the running of the office operation except for major subjects.

I've always had the feeling that the Fan Forum wasn't on anybodies radar at the office. That was evident to me when they never bothered to mention any of Mike's activities except on their website " www.makeitright.com ".

I would check their site every day & post the info on the forum. You would assume that with 80 000 members they would bother to do that because not everybody would check
that site.

Having been on a construction site, to show appearances, book signings, charity events, met all his crew (except recent additions), many of his regular contractors, all of his top execs, most of the office staff, had my 76th birthday party at their office (still have the giant card everybody signed), I think my theory has some validity.

With Mandy as administrator, who would be expected to protect his interests & with Mike's schedule that would kill an ox, I can imagine that nobody else would care about the Fan Forum one way or another.

With Mandy, as a mother with 2 infants now unable to continue in that role it would require a new administrator.

Because the Fan Forum did not produce tangible revenue, & I'm fairly positive that they would not want to use a volunteer outsider as administrator. Which would mean they would have to hire somebody & put them on the office payroll.

I guess they didn't anticipate the reaction of the members because they really have no idea how successful the Forum really was.

Jundee

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seadragon

join:2012-11-08
Guelph, ON

Hi Jundee,

Your post makes a lot of sense. That is very likely what happened. Basically, a suit shut it down (as they are famous for doing).

That would explain a lot since the sudden closure seems out of character given the friendly ecosystem of the forum. I'll miss it.

Thanks again!


Jundee80

join:2012-11-06
Canada

Those bean counters are only interested in the bottom line.

Jundee
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chrnits

@rogers.com
reply to Jundee80

I find it hard to believe the Holmes Group would not notice a forum with 80,000 members and not view this base as an opportunity to further the brand. I have't read any theory here that explains abrupt shuttering of the forum.


Jundee80

join:2012-11-06
Canada

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The following is not theory but fact.

The moderators were told by their administrator that discussions were held by the office (nobody specified) to determine what to do

The following options were mentioned:

Archive the forum which had over 1/4 million posts.

Hire a new administrator which would have to be paid.

Place advertising on the forum to cover the cost.

As I mentioned in previous posts, there was no mention of shutting the forum down completely.

I even offered to have my son, who is an IT specialist with IBM, fix the spam problem for them, without any cost to them.

I received a polite thank you.

I find it hard to believe too but over 9 years Mike posted exactly once on the forum, a Christmas message the first
year.

As long as we don't get an explanation, all we can do is make assumptions

Jundee
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rickardsred

join:2004-08-20
St Catharines, ON

I too am disappointed to see the Holmes Forum shut down. I was a member there going back a number of years, and usually enjoyed reading through the posts, and jumping in when I could contribute something worthwhile.

I gotta give the mods there credit (Jundee, Navyguy et al....) for keeping the threads on-topic, keeping the spam and flamewars to a minimum and basically making it an enjoyable forum to participate in. A thankless job, especially considering they were all volunteers.

I can understand the Holmes group's reasoning for pulling the plug though. If they don't have direct control over the content, and don't have the time/budget to pay someone to oversee it, I can see why they wouldn't want their name associated with it. Perhaps they could have renamed it the 'Unofficial Mike Holmes Fan Forum' if they were concerned about protecting the Holmes brand image?


Jundee80

join:2012-11-06
Canada

The fan forum was independant before Holmes decided to take it over.

As far as control is concerned, Mike's daughter was administrator & you can rest assured she didn't hesitate to pull the moderators short if she deemed it neccessary.

We also all had to sign an agreement to adhere to certain rules when they took over ownership.

Jundee
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Pairodocs

@bhn.net
reply to LazMan

Hey Jundee, and LazMan!
I was completely shocked by the removal of the forum. I had been a "member" since 2007. I found it to be the most civil forum I had ever visited on the internet. I learned a lot, and I'd like to think I was able to give some helpful advice to some people as well. For them to nix the forum as suddenly as they did, I have to assume that the lawyers got involved somehow, and thought it was too much of a liability. I wish that the Holmes Group would give an explanation.


Jundee80

join:2012-11-06
Canada

Quote:" I wish that the Holmes Group would give an explanation."Unquote

A lot of people are wishing for that. I'm not on Facebook but could see all the comments that have been made so far & the vast majority of the people are puzzled, upset & disappointed.

A lot of assumptions have been made, all of which I believe are nonsense.

Stuff like "Mike had no control," or "he didn't want to have his name associated with it," or "the lawyers got involved," or " it was a lot of woork to run the forum".

To know anything about the forum you have to be a registered member. All first posts are blocked until a moderator reads them to determine if they are legitimate or spam & approves or disapproves them.

All of the moderators were with the forum for years & not one of them left.

Nobody from the office was a member except for Mike, who never went there, some of his regular contractors, and a couple of his crew. They either never or very seldom posted.

What did they know about the forum, how popular & successful it was?? Nothing. Because it didn't produce a profit on their annual report it wasn't worth bothering with?

None of the speculations that have been offered so far justify the abrupt closure of the forum without any explanation whatever.

What puzzled me the most is that this appears to have been done without Mike's knowledge or approval. He's the boss of the outfit. It just doesn't fit his character to let something like this happen.

There has been no response from anybody from the Holmes Group & Mike, who got sick during his trip to Central America,
apparently is still recovering.

If I learn of anything new I'll post it here.

Jundee

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Pairodocs

@bhn.net

Ok,Linkmeister. We're relying on you. After all, you are definitely closer to the group than any of us, and I'm sure that you will get to the bottom of this as soon as possible. I hope that Mike feels better soon. Those GI disorders that one can contract from Central America are pretty nasty. Us North Americans just aren't built to drink that Central American water. We can't even use it to brush our teeth!


Jundee80

join:2012-11-06
Canada

If you go to Facebook there are about 128 comments, over 90% feel the way we do.

»www.facebook.com/make.it.right.m···&fref=ts

You don't have to be a member to see the comments. Just go to Google, type in Facebook Mike Holmes & then scroll down, on the left side to Nov. 1 where he start with "Hi, everyone"

Did you notice that they now call it the "Official Mike Holmes Forum"? They dropped the word "Fan".

Maybe they should replace it with "Gullible Admirers".

Jundee
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Pabs

@gc.ca
reply to Jundee80

Re: Holmes Fan Forum closed !?!

Hi Jundee

nice to see your name! I felt like I was left out in the cold after the shutdown...that site was invaluable to me for advice, for validation, etc... it was a wonderful resource and it`s very sad to see it go

thank you and all the other mods for all the work you put in over the years

Pabs



cdru
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
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reply to Jundee80

said by Jundee80:

None of the speculations that have been offered so far justify the abrupt closure of the forum without any explanation whatever.

It's a private forum ran by a private company. They don't have to offer any justification or explanation. It's their prerogative.

Whether they posted there or not, it still cost money to operate the server. If they don't make money off of it, and it costs money, that means it loses money. It's not rocket science in today's economy that if you aren't making money at something (either directly or indirectly), then you probably shouldn't be doing it.

If there is such a huge need for such a forum, set one up. If Holmes Group post as little as you say and have such a non-presence, then you should be just as successful as the old forum were. Bellyaching about it in another forum isn't going to get you the answers that you want.


Jack_in_VA
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said by cdru:

said by Jundee80:

None of the speculations that have been offered so far justify the abrupt closure of the forum without any explanation whatever.

It's a private forum ran by a private company. They don't have to offer any justification or explanation. It's their prerogative.

Whether they posted there or not, it still cost money to operate the server. If they don't make money off of it, and it costs money, that means it loses money. It's not rocket science in today's economy that if you aren't making money at something (either directly or indirectly), then you probably shouldn't be doing it.

If there is such a huge need for such a forum, set one up. If Holmes Group post as little as you say and have such a non-presence, then you should be just as successful as the old forum were. Bellyaching about it in another forum isn't going to get you the answers that you want.

+1 I was thinking the same thing


LazMan
Premium
join:2003-03-26
canada

I don't think anyone is complaining about the forum being shut down - my personal complaint, and I believe others feel the same, is HOW it was handled...

A little notice, and an explanation, could have maintained some good will, rather then just pulling the plug, and leaving everyone to wonder what happened...

At the end of the day, you're both absolutely right - they have every right to shut it down; the users, however, also have the right to dislike the way it was handled... That's where I'm at, myself.



Jack_in_VA
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said by LazMan:

I don't think anyone is complaining about the forum being shut down - my personal complaint, and I believe others feel the same, is HOW it was handled...

A little notice, and an explanation, could have maintained some good will, rather then just pulling the plug, and leaving everyone to wonder what happened...

At the end of the day, you're both absolutely right - they have every right to shut it down; the users, however, also have the right to dislike the way it was handled... That's where I'm at, myself.

I sympathize with your frustration but is here the correct venue to "Let it out"? Just asking. I always considered Holmes as arrogant and overbearing.
Expand your moderator at work


Pabs

@gc.ca
reply to Jack_in_VA

Re: Holmes Fan Forum closed !?!

yes they have the right to do this...the government also has the right to take my land away to build a highway on it and pay me what it deems fair... just because they have the right to do something doesn't mean they should and that we should like it

I've been to many reno forums over the years but always went back to that one for solid and prompt info on the many projects I've worked on...that's the resource I'm sad is gone...the group of people that made up that forum.
I know that Mike Holmes wasn't replying to anything on there...and didn't care..wasn't really about him anyway

Pabs


Jundee80

join:2012-11-06
Canada
reply to Jack_in_VA

The Fan Forum created revenue indirectly from members buying books, DVD's & other merchandise. They attended his appearances & viewed his shows. (A larger TV audience generates higher advertising revenue.) Any forum costs should viewed as advertising and/or promotion for the Holmes brand.

When Mike travels for shows, appearances, book signings, etc., there is a cost involved for travel, hotels, etc., all of which is part of promoting & advertising the brand.
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Jundee80

join:2012-11-06
Canada
reply to LazMan

Exactly how I feel.
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reply to LazMan

To those former members of the Holmes Fan forum, I welcome you. I'm sure some of you will be a very helpful addition to our forums. I understand the need to have a voice and to express yourself. Take all the time you need to sort things out.

To those of whom have taken it upon themselves to moderate this thread. Move along, no one wants to hear your opinions but yourselves.
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NeTwOrKDawg
Networking is a lifestyle

join:2005-04-25
Brantford, ON

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reply to LazMan

This is sad.. I was also a member there, and even had the pleasure of meeting Jundee in person, when he gave me a Holmes dog tag for my son several years ago in Mississauga.

Mike Holmes daughter even arranged for autographs for my son thanks for the forum.

I went to go back and visit the forums as I was not very regular there, and found it closed..


Jundee80

join:2012-11-06
Canada

I remember. You were working in that office building with the impressive indoor garden.

Your son must have grown some by now.

Nice to hear from you after all these years.

Jundee
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