garys_2k Premium Member join:2004-05-07 Farmington, MI |
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Re: Generator doesn't work with Direct Vent Hot Water Heatersaid by DKS:Do you need a shower in the first place? Having been through many power outages over the years, some lasting days, I have discovered that a sponge bath is just fine. And soap, water and a wash cloth at any temp works just as well as anything warmer.
I would suggest that if this attitude is typical, people are going soft. Very soft. Yeah, and I don't like to go camping, either; I like my modern conveniences. Tell you what: We'll all buy whatever capacity generators we want, to power whatever appliances we want (for me central air is good to have) and we'll leave the discussion about the technical details. Is that OK with you? |
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FrinkProfessor Premium Member join:2000-07-13 Scotch Plains, NJ |
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2012-Oct-31 10:58 am
Everyone's advice is totally appreciated, and I understand the risks completely. That being said, bathing my 2 & 3 year old this morning in water that would not make them scream made all of us a lot happier... |
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DKSDamn Kidney Stones
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said by garys_2k:said by DKS:Do you need a shower in the first place? Having been through many power outages over the years, some lasting days, I have discovered that a sponge bath is just fine. And soap, water and a wash cloth at any temp works just as well as anything warmer.
I would suggest that if this attitude is typical, people are going soft. Very soft. Yeah, and I don't like to go camping, either; I like my modern conveniences. Tell you what: We'll all buy whatever capacity generators we want, to power whatever appliances we want (for me central air is good to have) and we'll leave the discussion about the technical details. Is that OK with you? Capacity is part of the "technical details". There is always a limit to capacity. |
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2012-Oct-31 11:55 am
said by DKS:Capacity is part of the "technical details". There is always a limit to capacity. But your, or anyone's, opinion of what constitutes a reasonable amount of capacity, or what to power, is not a technical anything. As for limits, some people put in 40KW backups for their house, I doubt that's too limiting for most anything. |
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DKSDamn Kidney Stones
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said by Frink:Everyone's advice is totally appreciated, and I understand the risks completely. That being said, bathing my 2 & 3 year old this morning in water that would not make them scream made all of us a lot happier... Kids are resilient. I would suggest that not wanting to hear your child "scream" is a parental issue, not an issue of basic safety or child care. Besides, unless a child is in diapers or is sick, washing daily isn't an essential. Let them go dirty for a few days as a treat. |
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said by garys_2k:said by DKS:Capacity is part of the "technical details". There is always a limit to capacity. But your, or anyone's, opinion of what constitutes a reasonable amount of capacity, or what to power, is not a technical anything. As for limits, some people put in 40KW backups for their house, I doubt that's too limiting for most anything. Sure it is. The system is not unlimited. Capacity is limited by technical issues, number of appliances, real need and such tangible things as money. The response to the OP was generally that "What you want to do is unsafe". That's a technical limitation. So Plan B is? |
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said by garys_2k:said by DKS:Do you need a shower in the first place? Having been through many power outages over the years, some lasting days, I have discovered that a sponge bath is just fine. And soap, water and a wash cloth at any temp works just as well as anything warmer.
I would suggest that if this attitude is typical, people are going soft. Very soft. Yeah, and I don't like to go camping, either; I like my modern conveniences. Tell you what: We'll all buy whatever capacity generators we want, to power whatever appliances we want (for me central air is good to have) and we'll leave the discussion about the technical details. Is that OK with you? +1 What you said |
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FrinkProfessor Premium Member join:2000-07-13 Scotch Plains, NJ |
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2012-Oct-31 1:30 pm
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said by DKS:said by Frink:Everyone's advice is totally appreciated, and I understand the risks completely. That being said, bathing my 2 & 3 year old this morning in water that would not make them scream made all of us a lot happier... Kids are resilient. I would suggest that not wanting to hear your child "scream" is a parental issue, not an issue of basic safety or child care. Besides, unless a child is in diapers or is sick, washing daily isn't an essential. Let them go dirty for a few days as a treat. Damn, I never saw a more appropriate use of a profile pic ... |
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DKSDamn Kidney Stones
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said by Frink:said by DKS:said by Frink:Everyone's advice is totally appreciated, and I understand the risks completely. That being said, bathing my 2 & 3 year old this morning in water that would not make them scream made all of us a lot happier... Kids are resilient. I would suggest that not wanting to hear your child "scream" is a parental issue, not an issue of basic safety or child care. Besides, unless a child is in diapers or is sick, washing daily isn't an essential. Let them go dirty for a few days as a treat. Damn, I never saw a more appropriate use of a profile pic ... And how many children do you have? |
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FrinkProfessor Premium Member join:2000-07-13 Scotch Plains, NJ |
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2012-Oct-31 7:06 pm
said by DKS:And how many children do you have? I already discussed that I have two, a 2 and a 3 year old, both in diapers |
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2012-Oct-31 9:23 pm
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said by Frink:Everyone's advice is totally appreciated, and I understand the risks completely. That being said, bathing my 2 & 3 year old this morning in water that would not make them scream made all of us a lot happier... So you got it to work? Bonding N to GND did it? -j |
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FrinkProfessor Premium Member join:2000-07-13 Scotch Plains, NJ |
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2012-Oct-31 10:10 pm
said by tp0d:said by Frink:Everyone's advice is totally appreciated, and I understand the risks completely. That being said, bathing my 2 & 3 year old this morning in water that would not make them scream made all of us a lot happier... So you got it to work? Bonding N to GND did it? -j Yup! |
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2012-Nov-1 6:26 pm
Thanks for the picture, worth at least 1,000 words! If I have a heavy duty plug head and some 12/2 romex already on hand, is there any reason I can't just make a similar cord up? I think that would allow me to make sure the hot prong and wire are isolated and maybe even remove the hot prong completely instead of having to cut it off? Sorry I'm cheap too. |
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DKSDamn Kidney Stones
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said by Frink:said by DKS:And how many children do you have? I already discussed that I have two, a 2 and a 3 year old, both in diapers I have six children. I stand by what I said. Cold water will not hurt them one bit. |
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tp0dyabbazooie Premium Member join:2001-02-13 Bulger, PA |
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2012-Nov-1 10:18 pm
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Cool, glad to hear you fixed it.
power back yet? hope so
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FrinkProfessor Premium Member join:2000-07-13 Scotch Plains, NJ |
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2012-Nov-1 10:52 pm
said by tp0d:Cool, glad to hear you fixed it.
power back yet? hope so
-j Nope I am out until at least Monday, and I think that actually means Thursday given the chain of substations leading to my house I heard experienced severe damage. I waited on line this morning for 3 hours for gas, that was an interesting experience. Regarding the advice I was provided from alkizmo - thank you alkizmo, we are really grateful for a simple comfort like that. I stated I would only be plugging in the HW heater for 20 minutes at a time, on its own, watching it and things around it like a hawk for the period, then disconnect the N/G bond wire. I wouldn't run anything in the rain, and the gene is on a wooden box elevated above the ground I built. My one flaw is the improper ground rod, but it was the best I could find at my local Home Depot Wednesday. I'll check for a better copper stake shortly. |
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2012-Nov-1 11:20 pm
what ground are you using for your building service? If you dont have a rod now, it would be a very good upgrade, and not too expensive to put the proper 2 in the ground. Safer..
when all this shit blows over, of course..
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FrinkProfessor Premium Member join:2000-07-13 Scotch Plains, NJ |
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2012-Nov-2 10:01 am
said by tp0d:what ground are you using for your building service? If you dont have a rod now, it would be a very good upgrade, and not too expensive to put the proper 2 in the ground. Safer..
when all this shit blows over, of course..
-j Honestly I am not sure where the ground is in my home. I have not found any rods in the ground around my house, and I know my home pretty well. The only thing I have seen that comes close are green wires connecting to my water lines...definitely something I will be looking into when things are looking better. |
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said by Frink:Honestly I am not sure where the ground is in my home. I have not found any rods in the ground around my house, and I know my home pretty well. The only thing I have seen that comes close are green wires connecting to my water lines...definitely something I will be looking into when things are looking better. Look at where your utility's neutral (Entrace cable) connects to your panel, then look for another big wire (But likely to be no bigger than #6, either colored green, or bare copper) attached right next to it (And that they aren't isolated from each others, so they probably are on the same metal bar). That should be your grounding conductor that goes to your ground electrode (copper pipe or rod). |
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