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Petermjjh

join:2005-04-03
Bloomfield Hills, MI

1 recommendation

Taking a beating??

Taking a beating?? I think not having LTE is a feature. It's a cheaper phone and I can get it unlocked with the ability to move between carriers around the world as I please. Most importantly it is fully compatible with AT&T and T-Mobile's networks.


88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness
said by Petermjjh:

Taking a beating?? I think not having LTE is a feature. It's a cheaper phone and I can get it unlocked with the ability to move between carriers around the world as I please. Most importantly it is fully compatible with AT&T and T-Mobile's networks.

Well considering T-Mobile doesn't provide ANY service of any kind and my area. And At&t just now brought us 3G I call this phone total FAIL. Could have had me as a customer but not now. Google's loss.
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elefante72

join:2010-12-03
East Amherst, NY
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
reply to 88615298

Re: Taking a beating??

$300, unsub. There had to be some compromises made.

This phone was purposely made for the prepaid market and outside the US where people actually pay for the phone upfront. If you look at 2012 almost all of the subscriber growth came from the prepaid market. American Movil (Tracfone, Straighttalk, Net10) is now as big as Tmobile in subs--over 20 million. NONE of the prepaid vendors allow LTE, so this is purpose built. Outside of the US, LTE is a slow roll. We in the US think we are the only people on the planet. Outside of the US the iPhone isn't nearly as popular because people would have to plunk down over $600, whereas google comes in with a great product for half the price.

Also, if you buy this phone no carrier bloat, unlocked, consistent android experience, and actual updates and improvements.

In my hood, Tmobile tracks at 9Mbs and At&t 7Mbs. We also have cricket and MPCS. I would hardly call that ghetto. As all of the iphone folks move to LTE, watch those networks cough and HSPA rock.

Carrier are slowly starting to move away from subsidized phones, so if you need to plunk down $300 for a google phone or $600 for an iphone, watch AAPL stock.

If they put LTE radios in them, this would have made the price point too high, so they didn't AND they would have to kiss the carriers a$$ to get it qualified which could drag deployment 6 months.

This phone is a picture of the rapidly changing landscape with google trying to free their stuff from the carrier's control and bloatware.

Btw, if you don't have GSM coverage in your area, that's not Google's fault.

bn1221

join:2009-04-29
Cortland, NY
reply to Anon
I live in the boondocks and I have LTE from VZ and crummy ATT coverage and no Sprint or Tmo to speak of. Interestingly though there is a Wimax tower but very few Sprint phone can VoWimax

Network Guy
Premium
join:2000-08-25
New York
kudos:2
reply to Anon
^ This

T-Mobile delivers plenty fast HDSPA in NYC, and their MVNO's deliver the same blazin' fast speeds, though granted they're either capping or are only able to deliver 15/1 so far that I've seen.


bobjohnson
Premium
join:2007-02-03
Orlando, FL
Reviews:
·AT&T U-Verse
·T-Mobile US
said by Network Guy:

^ This

T-Mobile delivers plenty fast HDSPA in NYC, and their MVNO's deliver the same blazin' fast speeds, though granted they're either capping or are only able to deliver 15/1 so far that I've seen.

In Orlando tethering with my Nokia that's limited to 14.4 I get 13/3 but on my friends mifi it's more like 30/5. So I guess it's just where you are.
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88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness
reply to Anon
said by ArrayList:

What's it like living in the middle of nowhere?

Just fine with my 4G LTE I get from Verizon.


ArrayList
DevOps
Premium
join:2005-03-19
Brighton, MA
and you pay out the ass for that LTE from Verizon


buddahbless

join:2005-03-21
Premium
Reviews:
·T-Mobile US

1 recommendation

reply to elefante72
I have to agree Google is targeting this phone to the prepaid and those out of contract market, LTE would be nice but not necessary.
TMO has also stated that even after there LTE deployment there will still be HSPA in place so this phone will still be usable, for how long not sure.

With the addition of all the MVNO in the US theres a lot to be had with the bring your own sim crowd. Not to mention the numbers were out as of spring 2012 that there are more prepaid accounts in the US now then postpaid, with prepaid not allowed currently on LTE there is no point to include LTE for this yrs model phone, especially since Verizon is the only North American company to have a decent LTE network. Apple had to go with an LTE model as there targeting Verizon postpaid customers and those customers would not survive or purchase without LTE now that Verizon has upgraded there network, If the iphone 5 was still on ATT only do you think there would have been A LTE radio built in , don't hold your breath on that.

Google still can make a bundle selling this phone in the US to: TMobile, ATT, TRACphone , Simple mobile, Walmart Mobile, Rogers wireless canada, Bell canada, Wind mobile canada, mobilicity canada, etc... So there not a shortage of buyers that will appreciate the $300 price tag. Also overseas LTE is slow to deploy so this phone will still be highly accepted in there market.

My only gripe is NO micro sd card port? that was my main turn off. Target the customers who have the lowest amount of data access available, so screw the cloud when your caped and throttled. Also The customers who can hardly stream due to various prepaid restrictions but leave them without the option to carry around there own 32gb of data on a micro card, that was the fail.

PastTense

join:2011-07-06
united state
People expect to be able to keep the same phone for two years anyway. And two years from now all the major carriers are going to have decent LTE networks.

joe94395

join:2006-04-10
Taylors, SC
reply to Petermjjh
I'm with you man! Lack of LTE is a feature until there becomes a point for LTE. Like the LTE speeds actually exceeding the 42Mbps this phone is equipped with for one. If they put LTE in this phone it would just be a waste of money right now.


buddahbless

join:2005-03-21
Premium
Reviews:
·T-Mobile US
reply to PastTense
Most will have a decent LTE in 2 yrs True but,

The majority will still have there HSPA networks in place as well. The one to go the way of the dodo in the next few years is standard GSM. even foreign countries ( the ones not interested in LTE anytime soon) are looking to ditch GSM in the near future and adopt HSPA as the ground floor standard.


michieru
Premium
join:2009-07-25
Miami, FL
Reviews:
·Comcast Business..
reply to Petermjjh
Android is about the latest and greatest and they failed with this latest update of the Nexus. This is a stunt Apple would of pulled and if this was about choice then we would see two variants of the phone. I am sticking on to my current Nexus from Samsung and will upgrade once Google decides to include LTE.

All they really had to do was include a LTE variant and they would of been ok in my book and let the consumer decide if the price increase is justifiable.

djeremy

join:2004-07-12
San Francisco, CA

1 recommendation

reply to bobjohnson
»www.speedtest.net/android/270298 ··· 8505.png

This is pretty normal for me on T-Mobile out here in San Francisco on my One S. And the fact that it's unlimited makes it even better. I usually average around 5GB a month in usage by the time my bill comes around. Then again, I never use WiFi because I want the $30 worth of data I pay for.

With those speeds, I don't really see the need for LTE just yet. Oh, and I will be purchasing a Nexus 4 directly from Google. Anyone want to buy like new a One S?

34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON
reply to ArrayList
said by ArrayList:

and you pay out the ass for that LTE from Verizon

You can say that again! jesus christ.


ArrayList
DevOps
Premium
join:2005-03-19
Brighton, MA
reply to michieru
how many versions of the phone would they have to make? or do you just want horrible battery life for the sake of LTE?


djdanska
Rudie32
Premium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
San Diego, CA
kudos:4
reply to 88615298
said by 88615298:

said by Petermjjh:

Taking a beating?? I think not having LTE is a feature. It's a cheaper phone and I can get it unlocked with the ability to move between carriers around the world as I please. Most importantly it is fully compatible with AT&T and T-Mobile's networks.

Well considering T-Mobile doesn't provide ANY service of any kind and my area. And At&t just now brought us 3G I call this phone total FAIL. Could have had me as a customer but not now. Google's loss.

So what is stopping you from buying it from the play store and using it on at&t 3g?? Nothing..
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The day the child realizes that all adults are imperfect, he becomes an adolescent; the day he forgives them, he becomes an adult. The day he forgives himself, he becomes wise.
Alden Nowlan


Count Zero
Obama-Biden 2012
Premium
join:2007-01-18
Winston Salem, NC
reply to Petermjjh
said by Petermjjh:

Taking a beating?? I think not having LTE is a feature. It's a cheaper phone and I can get it unlocked with the ability to move between carriers around the world as I please. Most importantly it is fully compatible with AT&T and T-Mobile's networks.

LOL - and if it had LTE you'd be claiming it was "on par" with the iPhone.

Rakeesh

join:2011-10-30
Mesa, AZ
reply to michieru
I have a Sprint Galaxy Nexus, and it gets horrible battery life compared to the unlocked Galaxy Nexus unless you turn off the LTE radio. Even when the radio is doing nothing at all (because there's no LTE in my area) it still drains battery.


michieru
Premium
join:2009-07-25
Miami, FL
Reviews:
·Comcast Business..
reply to ArrayList
They can make one that's all well round with LTE, or they can include the option of one that has LTE. So if you did not release a product that consumers want then of course people will complain.

You also believe that having LTE = horrible battery life. If Apple was able to do it then so can Google and better. Also let's not forget that with current 3G platforms you can disable it to simply use 2G for extra power savings. The same can be said for LTE. So no there is no excuse why not to include or at least have the option to buy a version with LTE. If consumers don't want LTE then they can get the base model which works just as good but without it.

Maybe right now there isn't a HSPA+ and LTE on a single chip and that was the deciding factor. If that were the case Google could of waited for a even more powerful release later on. So if anything it looks more like a jerk reaction towards the iPhone 5 and a failed attempt at that.


mindhead1

@clearwire-wmx.net
reply to Petermjjh
+1


Really

@charter.com
reply to michieru
said by michieru:

All they really had to do was include a LTE variant and they would of been ok in my book and let the consumer decide if the price increase is justifiable.

...and if the consumer decides that the price increase is not justifiable, how much money does Google lose?


ArrayList
DevOps
Premium
join:2005-03-19
Brighton, MA
Reviews:
·RCN CABLE
·Comcast

1 recommendation

reply to michieru
if they added LTE, it would have to support how many different LTE networks all operating on different frequencies. The time is not right to make a phone that supports that many networks. It would be nice, but the idea is ridiculous. I'd venture a guess that the price for support of a device like that would go up significantly also. This phone wasn't made to appease Sprint and Verizon customers. It is a global phone made to appease other markets.


michieru
Premium
join:2009-07-25
Miami, FL
Reviews:
·Comcast Business..
reply to Really
That depends on too many variables to actually give you a simple answer.

1. Stock
2. Manufacturing
3. Availability
4. Cost
5. Engineering of second model.
6. Time

The list goes on.

Now, if Google decided to release a detailed PR about the reason behind it such as the cost increase from the original model and vice versa then we can look further into this issue. I doubt any such PR will happen though.


michieru
Premium
join:2009-07-25
Miami, FL
reply to ArrayList
Point taken. Still want LTE eventually though. I am skipping this upgrade like I am skipping Windows 8.


jap
Premium
join:2003-08-10
038xx
reply to buddahbless
Thanks for the informative posts, buddahbless. Helps this not-so-phoney guy make sense of his upcoming smart phone purchase. The limited local storage option (no SDcard) might keep me away from Nexus 4.

Big Dawg 23

join:2002-03-27
Northfield, MN
reply to 88615298
You live in the middle of nowhere and 100 Miles from a major city. Not sure why you after to point out the same thing over and over. Its Tennessee country side so if I was a carrier it would be the last to get an update. T-Mo provides service to higher populated areas. Congrats to you and your LTE service. Verizon chose to provide LTE service to you while they pass over towns in Minnesota that are 10 times the size of your podunk city. In the end I could careless about LTE. Where ever I go in the Midwest AT&T is far better than VZW and my HSPA+ hangs with there LTE. In cities where LTE is cover by VZW and AT&T, AT&T is faster in my experience. I have a VZW MIFI LTE Spot and GNote on AT&T.

As for you fail comment, you are clueless about mobile devices. GSM is globally supported unlike VZW and Sprint CDMA. There are a lot of people on AT&T and T-Mo that buy international global GSM devices unlocked to get a pure form of the phone as it was meant to be versus bloatware VZW provides. Yep Verizon is so good they kept the G Nexus from getting Jelly Bean for a long time. Google is smart to do what they are doing. There will be a lot of people who buy this phone because of the low cost and NO Contract.