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Teddy Boom
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reply to neuromancer1

Re: New speeds Rogers cable - Teksavvy watch out

said by creed3020:

People said this last time in the TSI forum and it wasn't true. I doubt it be requirement.

Well, it isn't clear. D2 is theoretically capable of 2mbit upload (in fact 2.7mbit per this »docsis.org/node/69), and I know for sure you are right that they will allow 28/1 on D2 now. We don't know if Rogers will allow 2mbit upload on D2 modems though..

I might be jumping the gun.. D2 may still be worth considering for the budget minded on 25/2 service. Node congestion will mean that you won't get anywhere near 25mbit down during peak hours though.
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said by Teddy Boom:

I might be jumping the gun.. D2 may still be worth considering for the budget minded on 25/2 service. Node congestion will mean that you won't get anywhere near 25mbit down during peak hours though.

Can't speak to sustained at those levels, but I speed-boost to 24mbit down on the 18/0.5 package on a D2 modem during peak hours.

34764170

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reply to creed3020

said by creed3020:

Upstream speed for which tier?

The quoted text already specified.

34764170

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reply to creed3020

said by creed3020:

Ultimate: 75/150 download - 7/10 upload (Depends on area what you get)
Extreme Plus: 45/4
Extreme: 35/3
Express: 25/2
Lite: 6/256kb (Changes Unknown)

Other than Ultimate these seem like speed tiers pre-upstream speed bumping.

34764170

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reply to neuromancer1

said by neuromancer1:

said by creed3020:

Yeah if you want the new speeds a D3 modem is where you need to be at.

People said this last time in the TSI forum and it wasn't true. I doubt it be requirement.

Good luck getting the service to operate properly with a D2 modem even if they they would provision it.

KKaWing

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reply to epsilon3

On the bright side, I no longer have to joke about how I can barely get 1(mbps) up(load).



mlerner
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reply to sil

said by sil:

said by TSI Marc:

thanks for the heads up! first I hear about this.

something funny with their business model if that's the case..

Not really, their only legal obligation is filing the new tariffs with the CRTC which doesn't happen right away.


MJB

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reply to epsilon3

Teksavvy should try to take all rogers customers... period teach them a lesson..



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reply to epsilon3

3 mbps up, sweet! Just in time for holidays if it switches on in early December.



metalhawk

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Last time there was an upgrade (early March) Tek customers got it at the same time as Rogers customers.



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said by metalhawk:

Last time there was an upgrade (early March) Tek customers got it at the same time as Rogers customers.

March was our GigE link's that finally got put in at some of the POI's and some channel bonding started rolling out then too, the last speedbump was Sept/Oct about, 2011 where we went from 15/1 to 28/1. Two different types of Update/upgrades.
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said by TwiztedZero:

March was our GigE link's that finally got put in at some of the POI's and some channel bonding started rolling out then too, the last speedbump was Sept/Oct about, 2011 where we went from 15/1 to 28/1. Two different types of Update/upgrades.

Unless I am mistaken last time there was a bump it was roughly a month between Rogers retail customers having the speed bumps and the TPIA providers (AFAIK if they chose to, Distributel did not for example) customers receiving their speed bumps.

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said by 34764170:

said by creed3020:

Ultimate: 75/150 download - 7/10 upload (Depends on area what you get)
Extreme Plus: 45/4
Extreme: 35/3
Express: 25/2
Lite: 6/256kb (Changes Unknown)

Other than Ultimate these seem like speed tiers pre-upstream speed bumping.

I take that back about Ultimate. IMO that's a bit on the weak side too. That should be more like 10/20Mbps up.

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said by TwiztedZero:

said by metalhawk:

Last time there was an upgrade (early March) Tek customers got it at the same time as Rogers customers.

March was our GigE link's that finally got put in at some of the POI's and some channel bonding started rolling out then too, the last speedbump was Sept/Oct about, 2011 where we went from 15/1 to 28/1. Two different types of Update/upgrades.

I might not remember this correctly, but if i recall Oct 2011 went from 15/1 to 24/1. Then March 2012 was 24/1 to 28/1


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reply to Teddy Boom

said by Teddy Boom:

said by creed3020:

People said this last time in the TSI forum and it wasn't true. I doubt it be requirement.

Well, it isn't clear. D2 is theoretically capable of 2mbit upload (in fact 2.7mbit per this »docsis.org/node/69), and I know for sure you are right that they will allow 28/1 on D2 now. We don't know if Rogers will allow 2mbit upload on D2 modems though..

I might be jumping the gun.. D2 may still be worth considering for the budget minded on 25/2 service. Node congestion will mean that you won't get anywhere near 25mbit down during peak hours though.

I would say that D2 modems are still applicable for the new Express tier but considering that there have been two speed bumps in the last two years how much life do these D2 modems realistically have left.

Surprisingly the competition between Bhell and Robbers is getting better in my eyes. We've seen new speeds rolled out by both incumbents in a tit-for-tat way. Each time one increases the other responds in one change or another.

The last thing we need to consider is what is the delta between theoretical speeds and real world speeds. If D2 modems can scale to 90% of the specification and we can get some solid proof of that when the new profiles come out, then we can make sure this hardware gets an extension on life and isn't unnecessarily trashed. One thing I try not to forget are all the random disconnect issues people are having. I just had another friend on TSI confirm they are having this issue with their SB5100 on the 28/1 plan. I referred him to you for a potential firmware flash.


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said by 34764170:

said by creed3020:

Upstream speed for which tier?

The quoted text already specified.

Well then your own question was answered by the quote in your post. The new upstream speed for Express will be 2Mbps.

Or am I completely misunderstanding your question?


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reply to OTIS3

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I might not remember this correctly, but if i recall Oct 2011 went from 15/1 to 24/1. Then March 2012 was 24/1 to 28/1


Ahh right. I forgot about that mid bump from 15 to 24. After that we got the extra 4Mbps to 28. Thanks for the reminder, I thought there had been an intermediate step in there somewhere.

Express went 10 --> 12 --> 18
Extreme went 15 --> 24 --> 28

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said by creed3020:

If D2 modems can scale to 90% of the specification and we can get some solid proof of that when the new profiles come out, then we can make sure this hardware gets an extension on life and isn't unnecessarily trashed.

The problem with D2 modems in a D3 world, is that they are very much slow cars in the fast lane, affecting (D3) throughput for everyone else, or at least very much complicating packet scheduling at the CMTS. It's easy to see why the operator might want to be rid of them.

Cheers


ChuckcZar

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reply to creed3020

The upload and download speeds are still about a decade behind the rest of the world.



Dones

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reply to epsilon3

I know going from an upload speed of 1mbps to 3 is great and all but It would be nice to have 4 or 7mbps options.


34764170

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reply to creed3020

said by creed3020:

Or am I completely misunderstanding your question?

You are. I also said later on in the thread I'm pretty sure those upstream speeds do not include bumps due to the upstream channel bonding. If not then those speeds are pretty weak.


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said by HiVolt:

Marc, can you inquire with Rogers when they plan to speedmatch the two tiers that they are providing on TPIA non aggregated?

Extreme: 35/3
Express: 25/2

No response to the above? :/
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reply to epsilon3

I for one will be downgrading once Rogers ups the upload speeds on Express. I don't need more than 2mb up, nor more than 18mb down but I do need at least 1mb up



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said by d4m1r:

said by HiVolt:

Marc, can you inquire with Rogers when they plan to speedmatch the two tiers that they are providing on TPIA non aggregated?

Extreme: 35/3
Express: 25/2

No response to the above? :/

I believe we submitted an inquiry today to get a little more details
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Insilin1i

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reply to epsilon3

I really hope we get the upload upgrades, I have been on 1 Mb upload for 10 years. I think it's time for an upgrade.

Though it's only worth it if theres no congestion.


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said by Insilin1i:

Though it's only worth it if theres no congestion.

That is the whole point of the upstream channel bonding. To provide the necessary upstream bandwidth. Although they have a long way to go and
should be bringing in the 8 channel upstream modems as soon as possible.


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said by 34764170:

said by Insilin1i:

Though it's only worth it if theres no congestion.

That is the whole point of the upstream channel bonding. To provide the necessary upstream bandwidth. Although they have a long way to go and
should be bringing in the 8 channel upstream modems as soon as possible.

There will only be 4 channel upstreams on DOCSIS 3.0 as far as I know. 8 channels are being worked on for DOCSIS 3.1, and I doubt very much we'll be seeing that anywhere in Canada for quite some time as CableLabs is still working on that standard with hopes of seeing some itterations at the device equipment level around 2014. (Best guess Comcast markets will have it first down in the States.)
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said by TwiztedZero:

There will only be 4 channel upstreams on DOCSIS 3.0 as far as I know.

Incorrect. There is no defined limit to the number of channels with DOCSIS 3.0. Broadcom and Intel will have DOCSIS 3.0 32 x 8 chipsets out by the middle of next year.


asfsf3

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what's sad is that im only getting 10mbps out of my 18mbps connection (((



tristen1230

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reply to epsilon3

With Teksavvy now getting Cogeco Cable in many areas I do not think they need to worry much and Rogers is overpriced.