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yyzlhr

join:2012-09-03
Scarborough, ON
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reply to HiVolt

Re: New speeds Rogers cable - Teksavvy watch out

said by HiVolt:

Haha, it seems like Rogers has followed Bell with a service deactivation fee... what freakin hogwash...

monkey-see-monkey-do competition...

Rogers does not charge a service deactivation fee for residential services.

londoner1

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I have basic cable (2-29)....couple yrs back with constant bill increases I called Rogers (told them for how much I watch TV it wasn't worth it I'd rather just use an Antenna) and they gave me the service for $15.99 a month (with taxes and LPIF fee it totals to $18.25)...NO HD box (I can find HD stuff online)..

It's worth that IMHO...but the second I get an increase notice i'll be calling them again. Can't recall when they gave me this but I'm guessing its close to 3 yrs now


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reply to yyzlhr
said by yyzlhr:

said by HiVolt:

Haha, it seems like Rogers has followed Bell with a service deactivation fee... what freakin hogwash...

monkey-see-monkey-do competition...

Rogers does not charge a service deactivation fee for residential services.

Then how come the language is there in the notice?
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reply to yyzlhr
said by yyzlhr:

said by HiVolt:

Haha, it seems like Rogers has followed Bell with a service deactivation fee... what freakin hogwash...

monkey-see-monkey-do competition...

Rogers does not charge a service deactivation fee for residential services.

They charged me when I switched to TSI a year ago and I kept cable TV with them. They said it's their policy. I said OK, let's cancell cable TV also, I don't want to pay the fee twice. And they credited $49.99 the very next bill. Robbers.


TypeS

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reply to 34764170
said by 34764170:

said by TypeS:

Again, why should100/100 be the minimum? Because youre screaming for it? Provide some facts as to why the average user would need 100/100.

Setting a target that is future proof, not to just barely catch up to what has been necessary for many years and is only being implemented now due to limitations in the underlying technology. If the target is 10 or less now for the next X years then they're dropping the ball, but that is not surprising. Then it gets back into the same cycle where 10 or less is woefully inadequate. The reality is 10Mbps up with a 150Mbps tier is a complete and utter joke; more than 50% of that is to appease the download speeds leaving you with roughly 4Mbps upload.

You have not provided any reason to NOT do so and the only real excuse is the poor underlying technology.

I'm sorry but if you're going to dish out statements like "provided no reason" and "excuses", you should perhaps looks to your own posts.

You have provided to foundation for the average consumer needing 100/100MBps speed. Even if it were available, it should be available as high tier service. I know way too many of my own family, friends and neighbors that use the internet soley for surfing, youtube, email and facebook. Neither of these uses requires 100/100 service.

The only thing I will agree with is for people producing home videos or films and want to upload them to share via sites such as YouTube. But that still does not come anywhere near giving reason for requiring 100Mbps of upload.

Having so share HD video online doens't mean it needs to be instantaneously uploaded. That's not critical by any means.

If uploading or streaming HD video from your home or office is mission critical, you wouldn't bother even looking at consumer grade internet services from Rogers, Bell or TPIA's off their last mile access.

You'd be looking at leased line access to the internet (don't confuse this with leased private WAN lines) with SLA agreements to guarantee levels of service.

People like you, and I and the majority on these forums are in a niche market as heavy users. It makes no sense to cater to your wants. You want 100/100, you don't need 100/100 (if you did, you would go out and get it as it is available).

I agree faster speeds should be available, the current dismal state of internet in Canada is a mix of aging infrastructure, a population density that varies greatly and profit greed by the big 3 communications providers. But something like 50/10 should be more than adequate at the mid tier level for $50-60/month.

34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON
tl; dr. You don't get it.


TypeS

join:2012-12-17
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If that is the reality you want to make up, sure.

34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON
Pull your head out of your ass.


TypeS

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said by 34764170:

Pull your head out of your ass.

So you're face with some facts and you simply just come up with this?

34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON
said by TypeS:

So you're face with some facts and you simply just come up with this?

You're being wilfully ignorant.

yyzlhr

join:2012-09-03
Scarborough, ON
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reply to HiVolt
said by HiVolt:

said by yyzlhr:

said by HiVolt:

Haha, it seems like Rogers has followed Bell with a service deactivation fee... what freakin hogwash...

monkey-see-monkey-do competition...

Rogers does not charge a service deactivation fee for residential services.

Then how come the language is there in the notice?

For whatever reason they copied it from the wireless terms of service. Aside from paying for 30 days of service and any applicable ETFs there are no other fees to cancel residential services.

stevey_frac

join:2009-12-09
Cambridge, ON
reply to 34764170
You're being willfully obtuse. Counter his argument. He said no one needs 100 mbit upload right now as a residential consumer. I agree with him.

34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON
said by stevey_frac:

You're being willfully obtuse. Counter his argument. He said no one needs 100 mbit upload right now as a residential consumer. I agree with him.

No one needs greater than 50 Mbps down speeds as a residential consumer, yet it exists.

stevey_frac

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That's bullshit. If I had 100 mbit down, I would use it regularly when downloading large amounts of content in blocks. Steam games, and linux ISO's would come down at lightning speed. That's the thing. Almost ALL of my internet use is unidirectional. I very rarely upload large amounts of content. I do do it occasionally, so like, 4 mbit would be nice, or 10 mbit.. but 100 mbit up would stay almost universally unused at all times.

34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON
said by stevey_frac:

That's bullshit.

and I say the same about upload speeds.

stevey_frac

join:2009-12-09
Cambridge, ON
what are you uploading all the time, that you'd use 100 mbit regularly?

I don't see a legit purpose.


TypeS

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reply to 34764170
said by 34764170:

said by stevey_frac:

You're being willfully obtuse. Counter his argument. He said no one needs 100 mbit upload right now as a residential consumer. I agree with him.

No one needs greater than 50 Mbps down speeds as a residential consumer, yet it exists.

And it exists @ much higher tiers for, for example 150/10 from Rogers is $122 + taxes and fees. Double what you were suggesting someone should pay for 100/100. Not to mention a data cap that could be blasted through in under 4 hours if you utilized that tier at full speed for that duration of time. Rendering the speed almost useless for extended heavy usage. (Unless of course you're willing to pay up to $100 in overage fees, bringing the gand total to $222 + taxes & fees).

You still haven't offered any sort of counter to support your "100/100 for $60" suggestion.

34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON
reply to stevey_frac
said by stevey_frac:

what are you uploading all the time, that you'd use 100 mbit regularly?

I don't see a legit purpose.

Whether I upload regularly or not is irrelevant. Although I can think of a few different things I could do other than what I am using my connection for that could warrant that much faster upload speeds then what would appease me now.

You don't require 100 Mb down either. You want it. I didn't say I required 100 Mb up. I said it was a target for ISPs to work towards. It is not asking too much for ISPs over the next 2 years IMO. 20 Mb up would appease me for the time being.

stevey_frac

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reply to epsilon3
The difference is, I gave real use cases. Linux Isos, and steam games are huge downloads, and take significant time to download. This is something that happens regularly for me, and would be useful for me.

What's your upload use case? Why do you regularly need to share 10's of gigs of data? I'll tell you right now, you won't get that unless you're on fibre to the home.

I_needhelp

join:2004-07-08
reply to epsilon3
Upload is extremely important. Considering the cloud is the future (actually the present) it's ridiculous that we in Canada are unable to utilize it to its potential because companies won't let us. Having a very high upload would let you seamlessly and quickly store any kind of file on the cloud for access on any of your other devices. It his isn't some scifi future. It's the present.

And that's literally only one single extremely common use case. Yes having upload speeds of sub 20 would help a lot. But getting much much higher makes the idea fully realized. This idea that things are "good enough" are why we're so slow in this country.


jmck
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said by stevey_frac:

The difference is, I gave real use cases. Linux Isos, and steam games are huge downloads, and take significant time to download. This is something that happens regularly for me, and would be useful for me.

What's your upload use case? Why do you regularly need to share 10's of gigs of data? I'll tell you right now, you won't get that unless you're on fibre to the home.

some of us aren't just content consumers and actually need to upload things that aren't just 100KB images like yourself. it's really sad and little of you to go on the offensive here and think that the world should operate the same way as you do.

also who said anything about fiber or needing fiber? we basically just want faster than 1mbit and the scraps being fed to us finally (3-4mbit upload) is still subpar, and the fact that they have 7 and 10mbit upload on higher tier packages shows that it can easily be enabled.


PlatooN

join:2007-02-13
Kitchener, ON
said by jmck:

said by stevey_frac:

The difference is, I gave real use cases. Linux Isos, and steam games are huge downloads, and take significant time to download. This is something that happens regularly for me, and would be useful for me.

What's your upload use case? Why do you regularly need to share 10's of gigs of data? I'll tell you right now, you won't get that unless you're on fibre to the home.

some of us aren't just content consumers and actually need to upload things that aren't just 100KB images like yourself. it's really sad and little of you to go on the offensive here and think that the world should operate the same way as you do.

also who said anything about fiber or needing fiber? we basically just want faster than 1mbit and the scraps being fed to us finally (3-4mbit upload) is still subpar, and the fact that they have 7 and 10mbit upload on higher tier packages shows that it can easily be enabled.

He didn't "go on the offensive" Steve has just asked for an actual example of WHAT brad needs that kind of upload speed for.

Actually if you read back through the thread is was Brad who went on the offensive with an off the cuff reply to a well written and though out post.

There really isn't any justification for needing more than 5-10 mbit upload on a home connection. Even the cloud backup example doesn't really hold water unless you are backing up a few hundred gigs a month ... in which case you are going to destroy your cap anyway so you could consider just a local backup.

The REALITY of the situation that no one on the "give me 100 mbit upload" side of the fence will admit is the just want to seed faster and / or run an FTP to feel "l33t" on the "Sc3n3". And no wonder he's not forthwright with why he want it, as Steve was in his earlier post. WHAT HE'S DOING IS STILL ILLEGAL. Acceptable to most sure, but ILLEGAL.

Would it be nice if ISP's could layout 100/100 fibre to everyone for 60$ ... sure it would be. However it's JUST NOT POSSIBLE. There is a reason fibre into a business starts at about 850 a month for 10/10 full capacity service with 1500ish install fee's. IT COSTS MONEY to run that kind of capacity! IT COSTS MONEY to install fibre into a building.

30 years from now ... yeah we probably will all have mass fibre or some mannor of wireless tech, but IT TAKES TIME for that to mature to the point that it's a commodity and prices get driven down.

Summary: LAY OF THE CHILDISH GIVE MEH MOAR UPLOAD schtick ... it's lame, and it's you who doesn't "get it"



TwiztedZero
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The quicker one Uploads/Downloads the quicker that person can go back to normal use of the pipe making room for others.

Now it'd be a different story if you're gona saturate the pipe at full tilt 24/7 with your mega ultimate super duper mundo maximo ultra downloads or uploads day in day out all year long; then we might have a problem, particularly if entire neighborhoods have the same idea.

Far as I know, no home user needs to saturate their pipe round the clock in that fashion for months on end.

Meanwhiles, I'm also on board for increased uploads.

As for those of you who wish to continue to be wet rags about the issue, you're most welcome to run back to your little dial up fiefdoms.

The rest of us would like to come into the future and enjoy a little bleeding edge for a change. (Increased capacities would be nice too eh?)

You do realize in Canada thats years away yet since we're so far behind the curve anymore, irregardless who the provider is. We do need to catch up and restore Canada back into the top 10 internet economies.

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davegravy

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I tend to agree that the reason we don't NEED higher upload speeds is because we haven't had them.

We didn't "need" the internet at all, until we had it. I remember my dad in the 90s rolling his eyes at CD-ROM drives saying they were an unnecessary frill and that we'd never own one. Once you have something, you often discover useful things you can do with it, and those things have a habit of becoming entrenched in everyday life.

Home automation which is accessible to the average consumer is on the rise, for example. I've been helping to develop some software solutions in this area for a few years. I'm not just talking simple logic control of lighting, thermostat, and security sensors... that's old news.

I'm talking complete networked solutions which integrate all media in the home including audio, video, security footage from hi-resolution IP security cameras. This software connects this media (via streaming or synchronization) across local devices, mobile devices, and cloud services. It's an end-to-end solution.

For it to work well on the mobile end, it requires hi-speed communication in BOTH directions. By not providing it, ISPs are stifling innovation in this field.

I'd be truly surprised if this was the only technology affected in this way.


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said by PlatooN:

There really isn't any justification for needing more than 5-10 mbit upload on a home connection. Even the cloud backup example doesn't really hold water unless you are backing up a few hundred gigs a month ... in which case you are going to destroy your cap anyway so you could consider just a local backup.

The REALITY of the situation that no one on the "give me 100 mbit upload" side of the fence will admit is the just want to seed faster and / or run an FTP to feel "l33t" on the "Sc3n3". And no wonder he's not forthwright with why he want it, as Steve was in his earlier post. WHAT HE'S DOING IS STILL ILLEGAL. Acceptable to most sure, but ILLEGAL.

Ehhh, and you know what brad needs more upload speeds for how? Telekinesis? I don't even know where to start with all the above misinformation so I hope brad chimes in with some facts...

And for the record, I don't need 100mbps/100mbps either but 50mbps/25mbps would be nice....Moreover, should be standard by now.
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WhyNoUpload

join:2013-01-15
reply to epsilon3
For those that say we don't need the faster upload speeds...




Why you uploading 4TB bla bla bla. Who cares? I don't have to remind you all what happens when you saturate your cable upstream. It's been hell uploading these files, i need faster upload speeds so I can be done with this.

stevey_frac

join:2009-12-09
Cambridge, ON
Lol. Ya. 10 mbit will help you rip through that 2 year backup no problem...

Mail a drive if you actually care about that data.

bt

join:2009-02-26
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reply to WhyNoUpload
said by WhyNoUpload:

For those that say we don't need the faster upload speeds...

You want faster upload. You have a practical, legitimate use for faster upload.

But having it on consumer-grade internet is not an actual necessity. Not even close.

booj

join:2011-02-07
Richmond, ON
said by bt:

You want faster upload. You have a practical, legitimate use for faster upload.

But having it on consumer-grade internet is not an actual necessity. Not even close.

Can't even host a decent game of minecraft with current speeds. There are a millions uses for faster uploads. Google fiber is 'consumer-grade'.

bt

join:2009-02-26
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said by booj:

said by bt:

You want faster upload. You have a practical, legitimate use for faster upload.

But having it on consumer-grade internet is not an actual necessity. Not even close.

Can't even host a decent game of minecraft with current speeds. There are a millions uses for faster uploads.

I completely agree!

But having a use, or even a million uses, does not make something a necessity.