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jmck
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join:2010-10-02
Ottawa, ON
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Re: New speeds Rogers cable - Teksavvy watch out

said by stevey_frac:

The difference is, I gave real use cases. Linux Isos, and steam games are huge downloads, and take significant time to download. This is something that happens regularly for me, and would be useful for me.

What's your upload use case? Why do you regularly need to share 10's of gigs of data? I'll tell you right now, you won't get that unless you're on fibre to the home.

some of us aren't just content consumers and actually need to upload things that aren't just 100KB images like yourself. it's really sad and little of you to go on the offensive here and think that the world should operate the same way as you do.

also who said anything about fiber or needing fiber? we basically just want faster than 1mbit and the scraps being fed to us finally (3-4mbit upload) is still subpar, and the fact that they have 7 and 10mbit upload on higher tier packages shows that it can easily be enabled.


PlatooN

join:2007-02-13
Kitchener, ON
said by jmck:

said by stevey_frac:

The difference is, I gave real use cases. Linux Isos, and steam games are huge downloads, and take significant time to download. This is something that happens regularly for me, and would be useful for me.

What's your upload use case? Why do you regularly need to share 10's of gigs of data? I'll tell you right now, you won't get that unless you're on fibre to the home.

some of us aren't just content consumers and actually need to upload things that aren't just 100KB images like yourself. it's really sad and little of you to go on the offensive here and think that the world should operate the same way as you do.

also who said anything about fiber or needing fiber? we basically just want faster than 1mbit and the scraps being fed to us finally (3-4mbit upload) is still subpar, and the fact that they have 7 and 10mbit upload on higher tier packages shows that it can easily be enabled.

He didn't "go on the offensive" Steve has just asked for an actual example of WHAT brad needs that kind of upload speed for.

Actually if you read back through the thread is was Brad who went on the offensive with an off the cuff reply to a well written and though out post.

There really isn't any justification for needing more than 5-10 mbit upload on a home connection. Even the cloud backup example doesn't really hold water unless you are backing up a few hundred gigs a month ... in which case you are going to destroy your cap anyway so you could consider just a local backup.

The REALITY of the situation that no one on the "give me 100 mbit upload" side of the fence will admit is the just want to seed faster and / or run an FTP to feel "l33t" on the "Sc3n3". And no wonder he's not forthwright with why he want it, as Steve was in his earlier post. WHAT HE'S DOING IS STILL ILLEGAL. Acceptable to most sure, but ILLEGAL.

Would it be nice if ISP's could layout 100/100 fibre to everyone for 60$ ... sure it would be. However it's JUST NOT POSSIBLE. There is a reason fibre into a business starts at about 850 a month for 10/10 full capacity service with 1500ish install fee's. IT COSTS MONEY to run that kind of capacity! IT COSTS MONEY to install fibre into a building.

30 years from now ... yeah we probably will all have mass fibre or some mannor of wireless tech, but IT TAKES TIME for that to mature to the point that it's a commodity and prices get driven down.

Summary: LAY OF THE CHILDISH GIVE MEH MOAR UPLOAD schtick ... it's lame, and it's you who doesn't "get it"



TwiztedZero
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The quicker one Uploads/Downloads the quicker that person can go back to normal use of the pipe making room for others.

Now it'd be a different story if you're gona saturate the pipe at full tilt 24/7 with your mega ultimate super duper mundo maximo ultra downloads or uploads day in day out all year long; then we might have a problem, particularly if entire neighborhoods have the same idea.

Far as I know, no home user needs to saturate their pipe round the clock in that fashion for months on end.

Meanwhiles, I'm also on board for increased uploads.

As for those of you who wish to continue to be wet rags about the issue, you're most welcome to run back to your little dial up fiefdoms.

The rest of us would like to come into the future and enjoy a little bleeding edge for a change. (Increased capacities would be nice too eh?)

You do realize in Canada thats years away yet since we're so far behind the curve anymore, irregardless who the provider is. We do need to catch up and restore Canada back into the top 10 internet economies.

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davegravy

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reply to PlatooN
I tend to agree that the reason we don't NEED higher upload speeds is because we haven't had them.

We didn't "need" the internet at all, until we had it. I remember my dad in the 90s rolling his eyes at CD-ROM drives saying they were an unnecessary frill and that we'd never own one. Once you have something, you often discover useful things you can do with it, and those things have a habit of becoming entrenched in everyday life.

Home automation which is accessible to the average consumer is on the rise, for example. I've been helping to develop some software solutions in this area for a few years. I'm not just talking simple logic control of lighting, thermostat, and security sensors... that's old news.

I'm talking complete networked solutions which integrate all media in the home including audio, video, security footage from hi-resolution IP security cameras. This software connects this media (via streaming or synchronization) across local devices, mobile devices, and cloud services. It's an end-to-end solution.

For it to work well on the mobile end, it requires hi-speed communication in BOTH directions. By not providing it, ISPs are stifling innovation in this field.

I'd be truly surprised if this was the only technology affected in this way.


d4m1r

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said by PlatooN:

There really isn't any justification for needing more than 5-10 mbit upload on a home connection. Even the cloud backup example doesn't really hold water unless you are backing up a few hundred gigs a month ... in which case you are going to destroy your cap anyway so you could consider just a local backup.

The REALITY of the situation that no one on the "give me 100 mbit upload" side of the fence will admit is the just want to seed faster and / or run an FTP to feel "l33t" on the "Sc3n3". And no wonder he's not forthwright with why he want it, as Steve was in his earlier post. WHAT HE'S DOING IS STILL ILLEGAL. Acceptable to most sure, but ILLEGAL.

Ehhh, and you know what brad needs more upload speeds for how? Telekinesis? I don't even know where to start with all the above misinformation so I hope brad chimes in with some facts...

And for the record, I don't need 100mbps/100mbps either but 50mbps/25mbps would be nice....Moreover, should be standard by now.
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WhyNoUpload

join:2013-01-15
reply to epsilon3
For those that say we don't need the faster upload speeds...




Why you uploading 4TB bla bla bla. Who cares? I don't have to remind you all what happens when you saturate your cable upstream. It's been hell uploading these files, i need faster upload speeds so I can be done with this.

stevey_frac

join:2009-12-09
Cambridge, ON
Lol. Ya. 10 mbit will help you rip through that 2 year backup no problem...

Mail a drive if you actually care about that data.

bt

join:2009-02-26
canada
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reply to WhyNoUpload
said by WhyNoUpload:

For those that say we don't need the faster upload speeds...

You want faster upload. You have a practical, legitimate use for faster upload.

But having it on consumer-grade internet is not an actual necessity. Not even close.

booj

join:2011-02-07
Richmond, ON
said by bt:

You want faster upload. You have a practical, legitimate use for faster upload.

But having it on consumer-grade internet is not an actual necessity. Not even close.

Can't even host a decent game of minecraft with current speeds. There are a millions uses for faster uploads. Google fiber is 'consumer-grade'.

bt

join:2009-02-26
canada
kudos:1
said by booj:

said by bt:

You want faster upload. You have a practical, legitimate use for faster upload.

But having it on consumer-grade internet is not an actual necessity. Not even close.

Can't even host a decent game of minecraft with current speeds. There are a millions uses for faster uploads.

I completely agree!

But having a use, or even a million uses, does not make something a necessity.


davegravy

@iasl.com
reply to bt
said by bt:

But having it on consumer-grade internet is not an actual necessity. Not even close.

Depends on your definition of necessity. Again, on the extreme end, the entire internet could be argued to be not a necessity.

Fact is, it's technologically, and economically feasible to offer this, as evidenced by other nations, SO GIVE IT TO US.

I want to live in a nation that finds innovative uses for things we have but don't "need". Not a nation that points to other nations and says "look what they discovered they can do with this technology... I wish we had that!"


WhyNoUpload

join:2013-01-15
reply to stevey_frac
They don't ship to Canada, I would've done that a long time ago.

stevey_frac

join:2009-12-09
Cambridge, ON
Don't you mean from Canada? Or is that you downloading? Or are you not located in Canada but get Teksavvy service anyways?


WhyNoUpload

join:2013-01-15
No I'm in Canada, but this company doesn't allow hard drives to be sent to them. You must use their seed service where they send you the hard drive. They are located in the states and can't ship the drive to Canada.

dmitry_tek

join:2010-01-14
There are multiple mailing services located in Buffalo, NY. The one I know about costs 6 dollars for single package. Basically, you can provide their address and then drive there to pick it up.

stevey_frac

join:2009-12-09
Cambridge, ON
Much better than a 24 month wait.... 2 years later? LOL.


TypeS

join:2012-12-17
London, ON
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said by davegravy :

said by bt:

But having it on consumer-grade internet is not an actual necessity. Not even close.

Depends on your definition of necessity. Again, on the extreme end, the entire internet could be argued to be not a necessity.

Fact is, it's technologically, and economically feasible to offer this, as evidenced by other nations, SO GIVE IT TO US.

I want to live in a nation that finds innovative uses for things we have but don't "need". Not a nation that points to other nations and says "look what they discovered they can do with this technology... I wish we had that!"

That depends on what you mean feasible. As along as copper is used to get inside homes, residential internet connections will always be highly asymmetrical. And that's simply just because of how DSL and Cable were designed in the 1990s.

That doens't of course higher speeds aren't possible, blanket rolling to 10Mbps upload out should be the short term goal for now. It's going to be a long time before the majority homes have a fibre run into them.

geokilla

join:2010-10-04
North York, ON
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reply to WhyNoUpload
said by WhyNoUpload:

For those that say we don't need the faster upload speeds...

[att=1]

Why you uploading 4TB bla bla bla. Who cares? I don't have to remind you all what happens when you saturate your cable upstream. It's been hell uploading these files, i need faster upload speeds so I can be done with this.

Lol uploading 4TB... That's a lot of porn.

I'm not asking for crazy uploads. I just want something like 5mbps upload. 2mbps is the bare minimum for me.

stevey_frac

join:2009-12-09
Cambridge, ON
And I think we'd all agree with that. It's the 100 mbit up we think is a bit overkill for consumers right now.


WhyNoUpload

join:2013-01-15
reply to geokilla
said by geokilla:

Lol uploading 4TB... That's a lot of porn.

lol. All I can say is it's not porn or movies.

MrKingJames

join:2011-08-18
Brampton, ON
said by WhyNoUpload:

said by geokilla:

Lol uploading 4TB... That's a lot of porn.

lol. All I can say is it's not porn or movies.

you're one sketchy guy


WhyNoUpload

join:2013-01-15



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Kitchener, ON
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said by WhyNoUpload:

For those that say we don't need the faster upload speeds...

[att=1]

Why you uploading 4TB bla bla bla. Who cares? I don't have to remind you all what happens when you saturate your cable upstream. It's been hell uploading these files, i need faster upload speeds so I can be done with this.

As another heavy CrashPlan user I can say bring on more upload!

Dammit it takes so long to do backups to the cloud. So painful.

34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON
reply to epsilon3
I can only imagine what the world would be like if engineers and designers just gave up and said to themselves no one needs the things I'm trying to design. Why should I ever bother, why try to push the boundaries of technology. You wouldn't have a broadband connection. You wouldn't be sitting at home using a computer. etc. etc.

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Decision is scheduled for next week sometime.
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stevey_frac

join:2009-12-09
Cambridge, ON
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reply to 34764170
As an engineer, I call bullshit. Markets are analysed, focus groups are called, and product specifications are drafted before engineers and designers build things. No one is keeping you from your dream. You just want cheap premium service. If you guys REALLY need to upload 4 TB of data, get a 100 mbit synchronous fibre connection. It's available to you now. But don't claim that everyone needs it.


mlerner
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Nepean, ON
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said by stevey_frac:

As an engineer, I call bullshit. Markets are analysed, focus groups are called, and product specifications are drafted before engineers and designers build things. No one is keeping you from your dream. You just want cheap premium service. If you guys REALLY need to upload 4 TB of data, get a 100 mbit synchronous fibre connection. It's available to you now. But don't claim that everyone needs it.

Agreed completely.

I'd also like to mention, the cable network is still quite limited even with all the advances in DOCSIS and cable technology. Once GPON fibre goes everywhere in urban cities then the options for speed flexibility is there.

The Mongoose

join:2010-01-05
Toronto, ON
The problem is that the monopoly situation in telecom does stifle innovation to some degree. Were we in a situation of real competition, I have no doubt speeds would be faster and prices lower.

That being said, super-high speeds for super-low prices or other such demands have no basis in fact. As stevey_frac mentions, engineers don't just design products for which there is no market. 100/100 would probably cost about $150/month at the very least, far more than the average consumer wants to pay. The up-front costs of installing fibre would be prohibitive in many places. The market for super-high upload speeds is still very small, though it will certainly grow.

If fibre were available everywhere, everyone in Ontario would have access to 250/250 for $226 a month. Even I wouldn't pay that, and I'm dying for higher upload speeds. I think we have to be realistic about what the market is really looking for, and accept that way out on the high end of the curve, prices are going to remain very high for a long time. A better focus might be on getting mainstream high-speed plans (45/4, 25/10, etc) into people's hands for more reasonable markups than the ones being enjoyed by the monopolist incumbents today. This is the role of TSI, Start, and the other TPIA providers. It's just unfortunate that they have to rely on the slow and often broken machinations of the CRTC to make it happen.

chrisl83

join:2011-06-21
Almonte, ON
July can't come fast enough for me.

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Ontario you wont be missed.. at all.

34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON
reply to stevey_frac
said by stevey_frac:

As an engineer, I call bullshit. Markets are analysed, focus groups are called, and product specifications are drafted before engineers and designers build things. No one is keeping you from your dream. You just want cheap premium service. If you guys REALLY need to upload 4 TB of data, get a 100 mbit synchronous fibre connection. It's available to you now. But don't claim that everyone needs it.

And yet there are things designed all the time that has no perceived market or real world use. This isn't premium service. No one has claimed that everyone needs it. Less than 1% of the customer base needs or even wants 150Mbps service yet it exists. There are a lot more people who need faster upload speeds than need the ridiculously high download speeds.