Topic 'why does most of the broadband internet has slow upload?' in forum 'General Questions' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/why-does-most-of-the-broadband-internet-has-slow-upload-27683001 en Wed, 19 Jun 2013 17:52:04 EDT Wed, 19 Jun 2013 17:52:04 EDT Re: why does most of the broadband internet has slow upload? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-does-most-of-the-broadband-internet-has-slow-upload-27693186 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-does-most-of-the-broadband-internet-has-slow-upload-27693186 Sun, 04 Nov 2012 17:32:14 EDT Re: why does most of the broadband internet has slow upload? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-does-most-of-the-broadband-internet-has-slow-upload-27692935 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-does-most-of-the-broadband-internet-has-slow-upload-27692935 Sun, 04 Nov 2012 15:36:00 EDT Re: why does most of the broadband internet has slow upload? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-does-most-of-the-broadband-internet-has-slow-upload-27691353
It also helps to differentiate home connections from business connections. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-does-most-of-the-broadband-internet-has-slow-upload-27691353 Sat, 03 Nov 2012 22:02:20 EDT Re: why does most of the broadband internet has slow upload? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-does-most-of-the-broadband-internet-has-slow-upload-27689396 --

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-does-most-of-the-broadband-internet-has-slow-upload-27689396 Sat, 03 Nov 2012 04:50:30 EDT Re: why does most of the broadband internet has slow upload? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-does-most-of-the-broadband-internet-has-slow-upload-27686816 said by tschmidt:

said by Hayward:

But DSL was not widely deployed until around 2000, in fact this site only came about in 1998 as I recall... with a very small user base until again about 2000.

Exactly my point.

ISDN never became mainstream. The Telcos grudging re-purposed DSL to complete with Cable and gave up on ISDN.

/tom

ISDN never became mainstream for CONSUMERS. It was extremely popular and mainstream for business.
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Getting back on topic, while expensive, ISDN was symmetric at least.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-does-most-of-the-broadband-internet-has-slow-upload-27685823 Fri, 02 Nov 2012 03:58:40 EDT Re: why does most of the broadband internet has slow upload? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-does-most-of-the-broadband-internet-has-slow-upload-27685813 --

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-does-most-of-the-broadband-internet-has-slow-upload-27685813 Fri, 02 Nov 2012 03:35:53 EDT Re: why does most of the broadband internet has slow upload? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-does-most-of-the-broadband-internet-has-slow-upload-27685807 said by Hayward:

But DSL was not widely deployed until around 2000, in fact this site only came about in 1998 as I recall... with a very small user base until again about 2000.

Exactly my point.

ISDN never became mainstream. The Telcos grudging re-purposed DSL to complete with Cable and gave up on ISDN.

/tom ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-does-most-of-the-broadband-internet-has-slow-upload-27685807 Fri, 02 Nov 2012 03:24:51 EDT Re: why does most of the broadband internet has slow upload? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-does-most-of-the-broadband-internet-has-slow-upload-27685796 --

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-does-most-of-the-broadband-internet-has-slow-upload-27685796 Fri, 02 Nov 2012 03:11:59 EDT Re: why does most of the broadband internet has slow upload? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-does-most-of-the-broadband-internet-has-slow-upload-27685793 said by Hayward:

Not really the internet was around for near a DECADE before there was DSL in any significant amount.

I stand by what I posted.

Back when DSL was originally developed, in the late 80's, The Telcos saw ISDN as their digital future, not the Internet. They were slow to the Internet party. DSL was seen as a way to cheaply increase end user ISDN speed over a copper loop so it could support video.

»www.google.com/patents/US4924492

Telcos dusted off DSL for Internet access in response to competitive pressure from the Cable companies rolling out residential Internet access.

/tom]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-does-most-of-the-broadband-internet-has-slow-upload-27685793 Fri, 02 Nov 2012 03:07:19 EDT Re: why does most of the broadband internet has slow upload? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-does-most-of-the-broadband-internet-has-slow-upload-27685769 said by tschmidt:

The reason is both technical and business. DSL was originally created to do video on demand prior to the explosion of the Internet.

Not really the internet was around for near a DECADE before there was DSL in any significant amount.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-does-most-of-the-broadband-internet-has-slow-upload-27685769 Fri, 02 Nov 2012 02:27:58 EDT Re: why does most of the broadband internet has slow upload? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-does-most-of-the-broadband-internet-has-slow-upload-27683061
Cable has a different set of trade-offs. The Cable network was designed to deliver TV over 6Mhz RF channels. Repurpusing one or more channels allows the MSO to provide high speed download. Upload is a problem. In fact some Cable systems used dialup for upload in the early days. The frequencies below Channel 2 (54Mhz) were used to transmit data back to the head-end. This was typically limited to equipment monitoring and pay-per-view info. Repurposing this for Internet was difficult and offers much less bandwidth then download.

The business reason is to offer clear marketing delineation between cheap residential service and expensive business class service.

/tom]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-does-most-of-the-broadband-internet-has-slow-upload-27683061 Thu, 01 Nov 2012 12:32:28 EDT Re: why does most of the broadband internet has slow upload? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-why-does-most-of-the-broadband-internet-has-slow-upload-27683049
»www.quora.com/Broadband/Why-do-h···ad-speed

It's mostly design intent. Until recently, Internet usage was extremely asymmetric, meaning that people downloaded far more than they uploaded. With this in mind, the technology designers created equipment that favored download speeds.

The reason for the trade-off is because there is only so much frequency available in the transmission medium, whether it's coax
for cable or a phone line for DSL. Higher frequencies suffer noise and signal loss sooner than lower frequencies, so there's an effective limit to how much spectral bandwidth is available. Since the available spectral bandwidth is limited, how it's used becomes an issue.

Since the design intent is for higher download speeds, more of the available frequency is assigned for download and less is assigned for uploads.

A further complication is from the way both DSL and Cable fan out. The connections all terminate next to each other at the provider end in closely packed equipment and in the cable runs to the equipment. At the subscriber end, the terminations are far apart (ie at different buildings). This causes more crosstalk at the provider's end of the connection. The signal originating from the provider is less susceptible to crosstalk than the weaker signal arriving at the provider from the subscriber. This phenomenon further impairs the subscriber's upload bandwidth.
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well 95% of connections I encounter have upload speed that is a tiny fraction speed of the download speed :/

throughout the world...

is it because ALL connections are based on cable technology? which was designed to send to user and not to receive much? (
and we need to wait dozens of more decades for new technologies to become more integrated into our physical infrastructure - like FiOS ... )

well I do not think I use just cable based connections... :/

is there some financial issue with Global backbone providers VS ISP about speed they purchase - upload is more expensive?

or what the hell is going on???
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