Topic 'Re: When will Tay Valley TWP have FttN? Or WISP alternatives?' in forum 'Canadian Broadband' - dslreports.com

Re: When will Tay Valley TWP have FttN? Or WISP alternatives?

Sat, 17 Nov 2012 12:06:21 EDT

DKS posted :

I'm not talking about raw throughput. I'm talking about packets arriving out of order and small things like that that only effect low-latency-VoIP and online gaming.

Play with it all you want. I suspect your problems are elsewhere...
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Re: When will Tay Valley TWP have FttN? Or WISP alternatives?

Mon, 12 Nov 2012 22:12:55 EDT

Drift_91 posted : I'm not talking about raw throughput. I'm talking about packets arriving out of order and small things like that that only effect low-latency-VoIP and online gaming.

Re: When will Tay Valley TWP have FttN? Or WISP alternatives?

Fri, 09 Nov 2012 20:10:41 EDT

DKS posted :

said by Drift_91:

said by DKS:

The speed of your line is determined by the way it is provisioned at the CO, not by any equipment you might install.

I was referring to the cost, not the performance. However I may be able to obtain better performance by using a router with better QoS, and load balancing.

Play with it all you want. I have explored just about every possible combination of router/modem over the years and there is not one iota of difference. I currently use a Netgear WNDR4000 with a Speedstream 4200 modem. Rock solid but not better than 5 meg/800. This is as good as it gets and has been on this connection 4.5 km from the CO for several years.

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Re: When will Tay Valley TWP have FttN? Or WISP alternatives?

Fri, 09 Nov 2012 18:26:50 EDT

Drift_91 posted :

said by DKS:

The speed of your line is determined by the way it is provisioned at the CO, not by any equipment you might install.

I was referring to the cost, not the performance. However I may be able to obtain better performance by using a router with better QoS, and load balancing. Although I understand the gains would be minimal, they would be of benefit in competitive online video games. Every microsecond of delay in the transmission of a packet makes a difference.
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HWY 511, Tay Valley TWP, Ontario | DSL customer with NCF.ca | Phone/CO: 613-326-XXXX | DSL service quality: 4,300Kbps/~350Kbps - 50ms ping/~5ms jitter - ~0% packet loss

Re: When will Tay Valley TWP have FttN? Or WISP alternatives?

Thu, 08 Nov 2012 20:36:41 EDT

DKS posted :

said by Drift_91:

Well, I will if I can get a hold of used equipment. The problem is I don't know what Acanac requires for hardware.

The speed of your line is determined by the way it is provisioned at the CO, not by any equipment you might install.
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Re: When will Tay Valley TWP have FttN? Or WISP alternatives?

Thu, 08 Nov 2012 17:59:30 EDT

Drift_91 posted : Well, I will if I can get a hold of used equipment. The problem is I don't know what Acanac requires for hardware.

Re: When will Tay Valley TWP have FttN? Or WISP alternatives?

Thu, 08 Nov 2012 09:47:48 EDT

sbrook posted : Getting your own modem and router won't save you anything, nor will it get you better performance.

Basically, there's no way of doing ANY better for faster internet where you are.

Re: When will Tay Valley TWP have FttN? Or WISP alternatives?

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 20:21:57 EDT

Drift_91 posted : If I wanted to get my own modem and router, what would I need? Can I just use any ADSL2+ modems and any load balancing router?

Btw I managed to get my ISP to ask bell to reprofile the line. I'm now syncing at 5Mbps and 800Kbps. I'm guessing I wouldn't be able to get the business 24M service right?
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HWY 511, Tay Valley TWP, Ontario | DSL customer with NCF.ca | Phone/CO: 613-326-XXXX | DSL service quality: 4,300Kbps/~350Kbps - 50ms ping/~5ms jitter - ~0% packet loss

Re: When will Tay Valley TWP have FttN? Or WISP alternatives?

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 19:27:19 EDT

sbrook posted : Well, it IS fibre optic internet (somewhere ... just not necessarily between your house and the CO!)

Re: When will Tay Valley TWP have FttN? Or WISP alternatives?

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 17:34:03 EDT

Semaphore posted : But that can't Be!! After all they call it "fiber optic Internet" on all those commercials... They also tell me that they have the "Fastest Uploads and the Fastest Downloads at the best Prices of any provider" on the radio and the TV. This must be true. Bell would never fib. We should all trust them implicitly.

Re: When will Tay Valley TWP have FttN? Or WISP alternatives?

Fri, 02 Nov 2012 19:30:28 EDT

sbrook posted : Fibe is mostly a Fib ... It's just a marketing name Bell uses for their broadband service. In some (very few) places it's FTTH; in many urban places it's FTTN; in other places it's standard CO based DSL with connections (like any other CO) to the Bell fibre based network.

Since there are huge portions of major urban places that still don't have FTTN (like Ottawa), it's highly unlikely that Bell's going to get FTTN to more rural locales like Perth.

And they certainly won't tell the whole truth and probably "fib"

Where I live, I've been here for 12 years. From day 1 Bell has said DSL is going to be available soon here. Well, 12 years later, and Bell still says "soon". And this is a semi-urban area within the city of Ottawa. They keep offering me rural wireless internet service without realizing that their service is so sketchy here, just like cell service, that it won't work!

Re: When will Tay Valley TWP have FttN? Or WISP alternatives?

Fri, 02 Nov 2012 17:35:02 EDT

Semaphore posted : Bonded DSL is diminishing returns vs. # of lines in my exp. And with poor quality lines you might loose the main line on the Multilink and it all goes to pot quick. As far as I know there's no control over which line is the main line in the bundle. When we set up Multilink bundles for customers we won't do more than 4 lines in a bundle. It's just not worth it and becomes too unstable IMHO. I have one customer who has 4 bundles of 4 lines at 6Mbps per line. When Aggregated they can see 60 to 70 Mbps down.

Re: When will Tay Valley TWP have FttN? Or WISP alternatives?

Fri, 02 Nov 2012 14:53:50 EDT

bt posted :

said by Drift_91:

said by X10A:

nobody other then bell itself knows about service expansion. It is unlikely you will find out...

So you don't think Bell would tell me if I tried contacting them directly?

Highly unlikely. Or at least highly unlikely that you could get an answer that was accurate. Plenty of stories of people calling Bell with questions like that and being told 6 months, a year, whatever - and being given that same answer for years on end.

Re: When will Tay Valley TWP have FttN? Or WISP alternatives?

Fri, 02 Nov 2012 06:37:25 EDT

HeadSpinning posted :

said by Acanac Inc:

Let's assume you want 15Mbps. ( really only 12Mbps because of the PPPOE overhead)

PPPoE overhead is minimal - the problem is the ATM overhead on the ADSL line, which accounts for roughly 15%.

PPPoE is only 8 bytes in 1500, which is less than 1%.

People, particularly those who should know, need to stop spreading misinformation about PPPoE.
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Re: When will Tay Valley TWP have FttN? Or WISP alternatives?

Fri, 02 Nov 2012 01:59:24 EDT

Acanac Inc posted : That is correct. You would only get about 1.2Mbps upload.

Re: When will Tay Valley TWP have FttN? Or WISP alternatives?

Fri, 02 Nov 2012 01:38:23 EDT

Drift_91 posted :

said by Acanac Inc:

I should add that the assumptions above assumes all of your lines sync at 5Mbps.

They sync at 5Mbps down and 512Kbps up. So I'm guessing I wouldn't be able to get the full advertised upload speed on some of your services?
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HWY 511, Tay Valley TWP, Ontario | DSL customer with NCF.ca | Phone/CO: 613-326-XXXX | DSL service quality: 4,300Kbps/~350Kbps - 50ms ping/~5ms jitter - ~0% packet loss

Re: When will Tay Valley TWP have FttN? Or WISP alternatives?

Fri, 02 Nov 2012 01:28:53 EDT

Acanac Inc posted :

said by Drift_91:

said by Acanac Inc:

It would not be on the same phone line. Normally a second line in the form of a dry loop would need to installed.

Bell recently rewired the entire house from phone jack to demarcation point. The tech also installed a POTS splitter (DSL filter). Would it be safe to assume I already have all the required wiring for 3 dry loops + one phone line? Also, to set up the 4 modems, would a traditional phone line splitter from an electronics store work to attach all 4 modems to the same jack?

I'm also confused about how many dry loops I need. Would it be Bell's DSL speed cap multiplied by the desired speed minus the phoneline? Or are the dry loops all capped at 5Mbps? I guess to simplify that, does the 15Mbps service strictly require three DSL lines?

Most likely not. They normally run the extra lines to the demarc only. It would then be your responsibility to run them to your modems.

Let's assume you want 15Mbps. ( really only 12Mbps because of the PPPOE overhead)

You would attach one of the connections to your current phone line. (Saves you $8 on the dry loop)

You would then add an extra 2 dry loops. Finally you would MLPPP all three for a total of 12Mbps.

I should add that the assumptions above assumes all of your lines sync at 5Mbps.

Re: When will Tay Valley TWP have FttN? Or WISP alternatives?

Fri, 02 Nov 2012 00:48:45 EDT

Drift_91 posted :

said by OHSrob:

Give storm.ca a call, They cover the general ottawa area.

A couple of years back storm bought over my previous ISP and turned them into rubbish. So I'm not too impressed with them. I also don't like that they don't provide a price for Bonded DSL and require that I contact them. It's not like I'm ordering a T-LAN where the price will vary by location. Also their hardware purchases seem considerably more expensive.

I like how Acanac provides a no-bullcrap explanation of how things work right on the page and they have a direct link to their MLPPP. Also they don't bury important disclaimers in fine-print. On top of that they seem to provide the most features for the lowest price.
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HWY 511, Tay Valley TWP, Ontario | DSL customer with NCF.ca | Phone/CO: 613-326-XXXX | DSL service quality: 4,300Kbps/~350Kbps - 50ms ping/~5ms jitter - ~0% packet loss

Re: When will Tay Valley TWP have FttN? Or WISP alternatives?

Fri, 02 Nov 2012 00:09:07 EDT

OHSrob posted : Give storm.ca a call, They cover the general ottawa area.

Re: When will Tay Valley TWP have FttN? Or WISP alternatives?

Fri, 02 Nov 2012 00:01:26 EDT

Drift_91 posted :

said by Acanac Inc:

It would not be on the same phone line. Normally a second line in the form of a dry loop would need to installed.

Re: When will Tay Valley TWP have FttN? Or WISP alternatives?

Thu, 01 Nov 2012 23:11:40 EDT

Acanac Inc posted : It would not be on the same phone line. Normally a second line in the form of a dry loop would need to be installed.

Re: When will Tay Valley TWP have FttN? Or WISP alternatives?

Thu, 01 Nov 2012 22:49:59 EDT

Drift_91 posted :

said by X10A:

nobody other then bell itself knows about service expansion. It is unlikely you will find out...

So you don't think Bell would tell me if I tried contacting them directly?

said by X10A:

If you are only having problem when your mother is streaming CTV perhaps you can look at getting a second bell internet line.... or even better look at MLPPP option from Acanac or Teksavvy(and many other provider). Bonding lines may double your speed, obviously the cost will be doubled.

I wasn't aware I could have more than one DSL signal coming in on one phoneline. I'll have a look at those providers. I was thinking of getting cable from Teksavvy until I found out they don't serve my area. They, and my current provider are the only ones I know that provide a sufficient usage cap for a reasonable price. I download and upload about 100GB each month.

Also it's not just when my mother's using the internet. With my current speeds I just barely manage. I can play most online games with slightly hampered performance. However I can not livestream online games for my friends to watch, because I simply don't have the upload throughput. Although a major inconvenience, not an absolute killer. However when my mother is doing anything on the internet, even with her speed capped at 1mbps by the router, it causes most Shooter games to perform extremely poorly.

said by X10A:

I am not local so I can't comment on the WISP portion.. but I assume WISP can be costly and not exactly the best solution for gaming?

WISP would be a last resort for me, as I'm already unhappy with the latency and jitter on my DSL connection. However I really do need an improvement in speed more so than latency.
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HWY 511, Tay Valley TWP, Ontario | DSL customer with NCF.ca | Phone/CO: 613-326-XXXX | DSL service quality: 4,300Kbps/~350Kbps - 50ms ping/~5ms jitter - ~0% packet loss

Re: When will Tay Valley TWP have FttN? Or WISP alternatives?

Wed, 31 Oct 2012 23:22:47 EDT

X10A posted : nobody other then bell itself knows about service expansion. It is unlikely you will find out...

If you are only having problem when your mother is streaming CTV perhaps you can look at getting a second bell internet line.... or even better look at MLPPP option from Acanac or Teksavvy(and many other provider). Bonding lines may double your speed, obviously the cost will be doubled.

I am not local so I can't comment on the WISP portion.. but I assume WISP can be costly and not exactly the best solution for gaming?

When will Tay Valley TWP have FttN? Or WISP alternatives?

Wed, 31 Oct 2012 22:45:18 EDT

Drift_91 posted : Hey, I live like a kilometer outside Perth Ontario. Right now I'm with NCF.ca for DSL service. As you probably know, the last mile copper between myself and the CO is provided by Bell. And they've capped me at 5Mbps down and 512Kbps up due to the poor DSL signal from the CO.

I'm wondering if anyone knows when Bell will be upgrading my area to "Fibe" internet (Fiber-to-the-Node). Or if anyone knows some Wireless providers as an alternative for a decent price. I'm getting pretty sick of not being able to play video games or watch YouTube in HD while my mother is streaming TV shows off the CTV website. Being able to livestream my gameplay to my friends would also be a nice bonus, so I'm looking for decent upload speed as well.

I'm seriously considering speaking to a professional about setting up my own small WISP to service my area with faster internet if I can't find any decent providers already in the area.