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<description><![CDATA[MartinM posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/373609" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=373609');">espaeth</a>:</said><p>- DID outages can still occur even if the provider soft-switch is not located in an outage area.   Every provider listed in this thread has taken a hit to DID service on the east coast.  You can move the SIP portion of call control pretty much anywhere with IP connectivity, but the gateway back to the TDM world has a physical location requirement.<br></p></div>This apply to all VoIP providers, without exception.<br><br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>- Even with geographic distribution of resources, there are still single elements of failure.  Notably in the VoIP market, that's going to be the accounting database.  Providers need to know if you're an authorized user, and if you have funds available to complete a call. When operating multiple nodes, that means they all have to agree on customer credential and balance information.   This is typically handled by either having all call processing nodes point to a central DB, or leveraging DB replication functions to distribute the DB availability.   The key problem in either case would be the introduction of data corruption.<br><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>That is pure speculation. Database corruption can happens as easily on a centralized setup than a distributed. At least if it's distributed, it's easy to update database resolution to one that isn't corrupted.  In our case, it's distributed, and we do not have a single point of failure. Worst case scenario would be if we had to run a Read Only database while we move a master, VoIP operations would still be operational, but users wouldn't be able to modify their settings until a new master is up. <br><br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>- Depending on your provider's chosen E911 vendor, E911 services may be linked to a single point of failure.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>In VoIP.ms case, all VoIP servers have independent interconnection with the 911 provider, they are not dependant on a Proxy or single point of failure. Same applies for Termination and Origination.<br><br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>- I've noticed at least one provider here is using GoDaddy for domain registration.  If you do a cursory google search you will find it is ridiculously easy to get a domain suspended with GoDaddy.   If someone were to craft a social engineering attack for a Friday night, there is a very good chance the NS records for the domain will remain pointed to "NS1 & NS2.SUSPENDED-FOR.SPAM-AND-ABUSE.COM" until they can take it up with a manager in the Abuse department on Monday morning.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>VoIP uses go Daddy SSL certificates and as a partner to nic.ms, the entity that controls our domain. Again this is speculation, there are easier ways to use social Engineering and DDoS attacks to bring down a service, as we have seen recently, but I will not publish "tips" in a public forum.<br><small>--<br>Martin - VoIP.ms</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : &nbsp;<br>Here's an interesting and related anecdote about a VoIP provider called <b>Localphone :</b><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r27699127-CC-Disaster">Re: CC Disaster</A><br><br>I had not heard about this company before earlier during the current thread.<br><br>Here : &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r27689876-Where-are-the-SERVERS-Summary">Re: Where are the SERVERS ? - Summary</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[DBOD posted : For me as a small business owner, voip provider uptime is more important than quality in a disaster. Still I would not accept poor quality as a trade off. I have at least 5 single points of failure within my office. My voip providers vulnerability just adds to the problem. Nobody dies if my office is closed for a few days. It hurts my pocket book but there is a limit to how much redundancy/reliability I can afford. Callcentric's record is good enough for me. This last month has taught me a lot and I am better prepared for what might come next. <br><br>I live in earthquake country. I never expected to apologize to my customers for a hurricane. If everyone one in the neighborhood is having power and phone problems my customers understand. When Sandy hit and I lost my phones, my customers had no clue as to what was happening. For local business it would be better to not be offline at all but if you have to go down, go down with your customers. So now I am susceptible to both PG&E outages and Coned outages. Still the utiliy companies are fairly reliable and that is what I can afford. I'm sticking with Callcentric for now. They fill a niche in the market I am in. About once a year we get an unexpected day off .. I mean a power outage.<br><br>BYOD VOIP is not for sissies! Buck up or get a POTS line. Wait? I have had way to many POTS lines fall off the telephone pole behind my office....]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[espaeth posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1651402" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1651402');">Davesnothere</a>:</said><p>Part of this thread's raison d'etre is to point out and clarify such info about common VoIP providers. </p></div>Still with no summary...<br><br>The part of this thread that is potentially misleading is that it tends to suggest that if your provider has geographic redundancy you're covered.   That may not be the case.<br><br>- DID outages can still occur even if the provider soft-switch is not located in an outage area.   Every provider listed in this thread has taken a hit to DID service on the east coast.  You can move the SIP portion of call control pretty much anywhere with IP connectivity, but the gateway back to the TDM world has a physical location requirement.<br><br>- Even with geographic distribution of resources, there are still single elements of failure.  Notably in the VoIP market, that's going to be the accounting database.  Providers need to know if you're an authorized user, and if you have funds available to complete a call. When operating multiple nodes, that means they all have to agree on customer credential and balance information.   This is typically handled by either having all call processing nodes point to a central DB, or leveraging DB replication functions to distribute the DB availability.   The key problem in either case would be the introduction of data corruption.<br><br>- Depending on your provider's chosen E911 vendor, E911 services may be linked to a single point of failure.<br><br>- I've noticed at least one provider here is using GoDaddy for domain registration.  If you do a cursory google search you will find it is ridiculously easy to get a domain suspended with GoDaddy.   If someone were to craft a social engineering attack for a Friday night, there is a very good chance the NS records for the domain will remain pointed to "NS1 & NS2.SUSPENDED-FOR.SPAM-AND-ABUSE.COM" until they can take it up with a manager in the Abuse department on Monday morning.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[XCOM posted : This is not a case of user responsibility. Do not try to flip the coin. This is a service providers responsibility.... ATLEAST TRY and get ready for what was heading up their way. This is a case of bad choices, poor implementation, and lack of caring for their customers. I fully understand the situation and how bad it is but that does not mean that they had no time to prepare for what was coming.<br>This is going down the drain quick. <br>I am done with this subject.<br><small>--<br>[nUll@dcypher ~]$</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[VexorgTR posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1532944" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1532944');">nitzan</a>:</said><p>Hurricanes aside, can you imagine what would happen to a single-site provider if a fire destroyed their entire facility? they wouldn't be down for days - they'd be down for months or possibly forever. Having multiple geo locations is not about how big you are - it's about being able to remain in business when disaster strikes.<br> </p></div>I think the other part of the argument is Quality over Quantity.   I have CallCentric and some other guys too all in my PBX.   CallCentric in our opinion gives the best sound, and best call completion.    What happens many times is my PBX tries to call with the "Other guys"... then after that call flops for whatever reason, it completes it with CallCentric.   If you have 30K clients,  your secondary and primary servers really need some power.   Otherwise you could end up with 'Call cannot be completed'  I don't want to start another fight,  but the "call cannot be completed" crew is a "more redundant"  company discussed earlier in the thread.<br><br>What got CallCentric so popular in the first place was Quality...  for a long darn time,  it just worked great.   Of all the providers in my PBX,  CC still is the favorite.   However, the "Other Guys"  did their job keeping the lines of communication open during the outages.<br><br>You could have 30 data centers,  but that doesn't guarantee good quality.  It doesn't hurt though.  <br><br>I've said many times,  provider redundancy is nice,  but as a business user of VOIP,  I have to show some responsibility for my own redundancy too.    ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1532944" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1532944');">nitzan</a>:</said><p>....Hurricanes aside, can you imagine what would happen to a single-site provider if a fire destroyed their entire facility? they wouldn't be down for days - they'd be down for months or possibly forever.<br><br>Having multiple geo locations is not about how big you are - it's about being able to remain in business when disaster strikes.<br> </p></div>&nbsp;<br>And hurricanes CAN cause fires, water damage from sprinkler systems, and of course direct flooding.<br><br>CC's equipment escaped any of that - THIS time.<br><br>But look at that NYC neighbourhood where a ruptured gas main during Sandy's strike was believed to have set off a string of fires destroying about 100 homes !]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[nitzan posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1841613" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1841613');">VexorgTR</a>:</said><p>Technically,  I could pop a PBX in a place,  hook it to some sip trunks, and call it a backup CO.</p></div>And you'd still be more reliable than a provider with NO disaster recovery facility at all.<br><br>Hurricanes aside, can you imagine what would happen to a single-site provider if a fire destroyed their entire facility? they wouldn't be down for days - they'd be down for months or possibly forever. Having multiple geo locations is not about how big you are - it's about being able to remain in business when disaster strikes.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[VexorgTR posted : What would be way more interesting is to know the actual make up of the data center.<br><br>Technically,  I could pop a PBX in a place,  hook it to some sip trunks, and call it a backup CO.   <br><br>I'm sure there's some providers with 1 or 2 mega centers.... and others with 4 or 5  micro centers.<br><br>I would guess the mega center would work better overall.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : &nbsp;<br><b>SOME MORE INFO about several providers' servers' locations :</b><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r27693749-">Re: CC Disaster</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1550502" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1550502');">ThaiGuy</a>:</said><p>This is a good thread.<br><br>Recent events have proved that users cannot rely on service reliability statements on a providers web site.<br><br>Unless they are prepared to go into detail about their network setup and redundancy plans, their sales pitches should be taken with a pinch of salt.<br><br>There is a good overview of Priority and weight at &raquo;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRV_record" >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRV_record</A><br> </p></div>&nbsp;<br>After certain recent events, I am inclined to agree.<br><br>Part of this thread's raison d'etre is to point out and clarify such info about common VoIP providers.<br><br>And thanks for the link. - I should have thought of that myself, however Arne was handy at the time. :)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[gweidenh posted : Weight allows for you to concentrate traffic on higher power machines.<br><br>For example, if one machine was a 2 processor box, and one machine was a 4 processor box, in theory I would want to put 2 times the amount of traffic on the 4P box.<br><br>'Weight' allows me to do this.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Arne Bolen posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1550502" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1550502');">ThaiGuy</a>:</said><p>Recent events have proved that users cannot rely on service reliability statements on a providers web site.</p></div>I use several providers and so far I have not found any unreliable statements.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://myvoipnews.com/">My VoIP News</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ThaiGuy posted : This is a good thread. Recent events have proved that users cannot rely on service reliability statements on a providers web site. Unless they are prepared to go into detail about their network setup and redundancy plans, their sales pitches should be taken with a pinch of salt.<br><br>There is a good overview of Priority and weight at &raquo;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRV_record" >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRV_record</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Arne Bolen posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1651402" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1651402');">Davesnothere</a>:</said><p>So it would seem that 'weight'  is a sort of 'fine-tuning' for 'priority'. </p></div>Correct. But it is only used among records with the same priority value.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://myvoipnews.com/">My VoIP News</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1652916" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1652916');">Arne Bolen</a>:</said><p>....If a service has multiple SRV records with the same priority value, clients use the weight field to determine which host to use. The weight value is relevant only in relation to other weight values for the service, and only among records with the same priority value.<br> </p></div>&nbsp;<br>So it would seem that 'weight'  is a sort of 'fine-tuning' for 'priority'.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Arne Bolen posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1651402" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1651402');">Davesnothere</a>:</said><p>"Now serving number 83, number 83 please...." </p></div>Now I think of the TV commercial with the long iPhone queue and the people outside of that queue with Samsung Galaxy phones. The guy in the iPhone queue happily says "Maybe we get that feature next year".  :D<br><br><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1651402" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1651402');">Davesnothere</a>:</said><p>OK, then what does 'weight' do ? (I notice that Anveo sets all of theirs to 100 and that CallCentric always uses 0 for that field.) </p></div>Weight: A relative weight for records with the same priority<br><br>The priority field determines the precedence of use of the record's data. Clients always use the SRV record with the lowest-numbered priority value first, and fallback to other records of equal or higher priority if the connection to the host fails.<br><br>If a service has multiple SRV records with the same priority value, clients use the weight field to determine which host to use. The weight value is relevant only in relation to other weight values for the service, and only among records with the same priority value.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://myvoipnews.com/">My VoIP News</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1652916" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1652916');">Arne Bolen</a>:</said><p>Yes, 10 is a higher priority than 20.<br><br>Imagine a long queue, if you are number 10 in that queue and your friend is number 20 you will be served before your friend.<br> </p></div>&nbsp;<br>Ahhhh, thanks.<br><br><i>"Now serving number 83, number 83 please...."</i><br><br>OK, then what does 'weight' do ? (I notice that Anveo sets all of theirs to 100 and that CallCentric always uses 0 for that field.)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Arne Bolen posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1651402" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1651402');">Davesnothere</a>:</said><p><b>NEXT QUESTION : </b> in the NSLOOKUP output, is 10 a higher priority than 20 ? (and so on) - Instinctively I would have expected the opposite. </p></div>Yes, 10 is a higher priority than 20.<br><br>Imagine a long queue, if you are number 10 in that queue and your friend is number 20 you will be served before your friend.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://myvoipnews.com/">My VoIP News</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1281719" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1281719');">grand total</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1651402" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1651402');">Davesnothere</a>:</said><p>And BTW, then does this observation also imply that if I am in Canada, 2 hours from Montreal, that I should specify ca.anveo.com rather than sip.ca.anveo.com ? (in my ATA) </p></div>No definitely not. It will not work. If you want to prioritise the Canadian server with a fallback of the US server use sip.ca.anveo.com.<br><br>Assuming you use Windows, start a cmd window and type nslookup. Then at the prompt type set type=srv, then type _sip._udp.&lt;domain you are interested in&gt; ....<br> </p></div>&nbsp;<br>Thanks, and you are right - that one does not register my ATA.<br><br><u>Here is a list of all possible server names and results :</u><br><br>anveo.com - register - 3 servers on nslookup<br>sip.anveo.com - register - 2 servers on nslookup<br><br>sip.ca.anveo.com - register - 2 servers on nslookup<br>ca.anveo.com - NO register - nslookup says "domain does not exist"<br><br>sip.de.anveo.com - register - 2 servers on nslookup<br>de.anveo.com - NO register - nslookup says "domain does not exist"<br><br>OK, so anveo.com gives all 3 servers, each beginning with sip. gives 2 servers, but different combos, and the other choices without the sip. prefix say no good.<br><br>My ATA accepts any domain which NSLOOKUP accepts, and registers those choices.<br><br><b>NEXT QUESTION : </b> in the NSLOOKUP output, is 10 a higher priority than 20 ? (and so on) - Instinctively I would have expected the opposite.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[grand total posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1651402" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1651402');">Davesnothere</a>:</said><p>And BTW, then does this observation also imply that if I am in Canada, 2 hours from Montreal, that I should specify <b>ca.anveo.com</b> rather than sip.ca.anveo.com ? (in my ATA) </p></div>No definitely not. It will not work. If you want to prioritise the Canadian server with a fallback of the US server use sip.ca.anveo.com.<br><br>Assuming you use Windows, start a cmd window and type nslookup. Then at the prompt type set type=srv, then type _sip._udp.&lt;domain you are interested in&gt;<br><br>See the example below. <br><br><code><br>Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]<br>Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation.  All rights reserved.<br><br>C:\Users\User>nslookup<br>Default Server:  Default-Server<br>Address:  192.168.29.1<br><br>> set type=srv<br>> _sip._udp.sip.ca.anveo.com<br>Server:  Default-Server<br>Address:  192.168.29.1<br><br>Non-authoritative answer:<br>_sip._udp.sip.ca.anveo.com      SRV service location:<br>          priority       = 20<br>          weight         = 100<br>          port           = 5010<br>          svr hostname   = sip.anveo.com<br>_sip._udp.sip.ca.anveo.com      SRV service location:<br>          priority       = 10<br>          weight         = 100<br>          port           = 5010<br>          svr hostname   = sip.ca.anveo.com<br>><br></code><br><br><small>--<br>DPC3825 (bridged mode) - WRT610N + Tomato - Panasonic KX-TGP500 - Asterisk 1.8.11.0 with Asterisk GUI on Virtual Server <br>Anveo - Voxbeam - Numbergroup - Callcentric - VoIP.MS - Localphone - UKDDI</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Arne Bolen posted : Thanks. I just thought you used voip over the GSM data connection.<br><br>The way you are using the GSM gateway is probably better as you don't risk latency and jitter. I have tested voip over a 3G data connection and I find the quality to be unacceptable for daily use, but it can be used if there are no other options.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://myvoipnews.com/">My VoIP News</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[XCOM posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1652916" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1652916');">Arne Bolen</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/642762" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=642762');">XCOM</a>:</said><p>The quality is a good as your normal VoIP. There is time where the system has failed over and I have not even notice.  </p></div>Thanks, it's interesting info. Are you using 3G or 4G in your GSM gateway?<br> </p></div>Arne,<br><br>I apologize I miss understood your original question.<br>I am not actually failing over data. I have a logic that checks for the ITSP availability. It ether returns with a 1 or a 0. 0 Fails over to the GSM gateway and uses the gateway for all outbound calls... The same logic applies from the ITSP's to me. If they see me not register than they send all calls to my GSM gateway. If it returns 1 than the interconnection continues to the ITSP. In my own opinion I didn't find failing over data an actual fail over solution. In case of a natural disaster we are going to be lucky if cell alone works. Back in Ike my cell worked but there was no data going on the network no 3G or 4G but basic incoming and outgoing calls where working.<br><small>--<br>[nUll@dcypher ~]$</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Arne Bolen posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/642762" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=642762');">XCOM</a>:</said><p>The quality is a good as your normal VoIP. There is time where the system has failed over and I have not even notice.  </p></div>Thanks, it's interesting info. Are you using 3G or 4G in your GSM gateway?<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://myvoipnews.com/">My VoIP News</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[XCOM posted : Arne,<br><br>Yes I have.<br>The quality is a good as your normal VoIP. There is time where the system has failed over and I have not even notice. <br><small>--<br>[nUll@dcypher ~]$</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Arne Bolen posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/642762" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=642762');">XCOM</a>:</said><p>I went to a GSM gateway. </p></div>Have you tried using voip through the GSM gateway? If so, how is the quality?<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://myvoipnews.com/">My VoIP News</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[XCOM posted : Two ISP is a bit overkill.<br>That's the reason why I went to a GSM gateway.<br><small>--<br>[nUll@dcypher ~]$</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[scooper posted : Ditto - except for 2 ISPs - have cell phones (that don't work very well in our house). That's why we have Voip.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1652916" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1652916');">Arne Bolen</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1847154" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1847154');">User834</a>:</said><p>How can the bottom line be anything other than, "do I have the services I paid for?" </p></div>&nbsp;<br>One more bottom line:<br><br><b>"Does the customer have a disaster recovery plan?"</b><br><br>Voip is a wonderful service saving us $$$. But IMHO the user needs to have a disaster recovery plan.<br><br>Having at least one backup voip  provider and a cell phone is always a good part of a disaster recovery plan.<br><br>Your internet connection could also fail so a backup internet connection should be considered. Your provider can have geo redundancy but that won't help you if your internet connection fails.<br><br>Also, an UPS must be considered as mandatory for a responsible voip user.<br> </p></div>&nbsp;<br>Yes, we all need to practise what some of us so fervently preach.<br><br>And yes, I have all of those things, except the 2 ISPs.<br><br><small>--<br><br>We have only 2 things about which to worry :<br>(1) That things may never get back to normal<br>(2) That they already HAVE !<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[real_goose posted : Localphone: Amsterdam NL Automatic failover DNS SRV<br><br>Since there is no mention of server locations on the Localphone website, I asked and received the response: "Currently our servers are located in Amsterdam in the Netherlands, I understand there are plans to also open servers in Virginia in the near future. The AMS servers handle all the failover as there are duplicate servers for all systems." The device guides for some devices show turning on DNS SRV. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/178688" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=178688');">userofdsl</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1281719" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1281719');">grand total</a>:</said><p>One small observation, if you want the security of servers on three sites make sure you <b>specify anveo.com as the proxy rather than sip.anveo.com, sip.ca.anveo.com or sip.de.anveo.com.</b><br><br>It's the only SRV record that points to all three servers.<br> </p></div>Done, and thanks.<br><br><b>Anveo should document things</b> <strike>like this</strike>.<br> </p></div>&nbsp;<br>Fixed it for ya ! ;)<br><br>But seriously, how does one get an SRV record to reveal itself ?<br><br>I'm still a N00B on that.<br><br>And BTW, then does this observation also imply that if I am in Canada, 2 hours from Montreal, that I should specify <b>ca.anveo.com</b> rather than sip.ca.anveo.com ? (in my ATA)<br><br>On test, their Montreal server did yield a notably sharter PING than the next best one (USA) for me.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[XCOM posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1652916" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1652916');">Arne Bolen</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1847154" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1847154');">User834</a>:</said><p>How can the bottom line be anything other than, "do I have the services I paid for?" </p></div>One more bottom line:<br>"Does the customer have a disaster recovery plan?"<br><br>Voip is a wonderful service saving us $$$. But IMHO the user needs to have a disaster recovery plan. Having at least one backup voip  provider and a cell phone is always a good part of a disaster recovery plan.<br><br>Your internet connection could also fail so a backup internet connection should be considered. Your provider can have geo redundancy but that won't help you if your internet connection fails.<br><br>Also, an UPS must be considered as mandatory for a responsible voip user.<br> </p></div>+1<br><small>--<br>[nUll@dcypher ~]$</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Arne Bolen posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1847154" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1847154');">User834</a>:</said><p>How can the bottom line be anything other than, "do I have the services I paid for?" </p></div>One more bottom line:<br>"Does the customer have a disaster recovery plan?"<br><br>Voip is a wonderful service saving us $$$. But IMHO the user needs to have a disaster recovery plan. Having at least one backup voip  provider and a cell phone is always a good part of a disaster recovery plan.<br><br>Your internet connection could also fail so a backup internet connection should be considered. Your provider can have geo redundancy but that won't help you if your internet connection fails.<br><br>Also, an UPS must be considered as mandatory for a responsible voip user.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://myvoipnews.com/">My VoIP News</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[userofdsl posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1281719" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1281719');">grand total</a>:</said><p>One small observation, if you want the security of servers on three sites make sure you specify anveo.com as the proxy rather than sip.anveo.com, sip.ca.anveo.com or sip.de.anveo.com. It's the only SRV record that points to all three servers.<br> </p></div>Done, and thanks.<br><br>Anveo should document things like this.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[User834 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/395155" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=395155');">w8sdz</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1847154" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1847154');">User834</a>:</said><p>VoIP customers are usually primarily interested in the reliability and availability of three things:<br><br>1.  The ability to place outgoing calls from my phone.<br><br>2. The ability to receive incoming calls to my DID.<br><br>3. The ability to provision or make changes to account account/service.<br> </p></div>The bottom line is: does the provider have a disaster recovery plan? Unfortunately Callcentric does not.<br><br>Think about this: What would happen if a natural or man-made disaster totally destroyed your provider's central operation.<br><br>One example of a good recovery plan is Anveo which has three data centers, widely separated in three different countries.<br><br>Your standard formula does't work when a single-site provider is destroyed.<br><br> </p></div>How can the bottom line be anything other than, "do I have the services I paid for?"<br><br>A provider can have 100 servers, yet a single failure might render your DID number completely unworkable until it's resolved.  Of course having a single server or a single location makes it vulnerable to location-wide disasters that affect all of their services, but that's just one of many failure modes that will affect the services you paid for.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[grand total posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/395155" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=395155');">w8sdz</a>:</said><p>One example of a good recovery plan is Anveo which has three data centers, widely separated in three different countries.</p></div>One small observation, if you want the security of servers on three sites make sure you specify anveo.com as the proxy rather than sip.anveo.com, sip.ca.anveo.com or sip.de.anveo.com. It's the only SRV record that points to all three servers.<br><small>--<br>DPC3825 (bridged mode) - WRT610N + Tomato - Panasonic KX-TGP500 - Asterisk 1.8.11.0 with Asterisk GUI on Virtual Server <br>Anveo - Voxbeam - Numbergroup - Callcentric - VoIP.MS - Localphone - UKDDI</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/395155" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=395155');">w8sdz</a>:</said><p>The bottom line is: <b>Does the provider have a disaster recovery plan ?</b> .... </p></div>&nbsp;<br>.... right, and if yes, then what sort of a plan ?<br><br>Essentially that is all I wish to establish at this time. :)<br><br>AND, I am trying to avoid words which are open to misinterpretation, such as some of those contained in CallCentric's self-posted mission statement description on their own site.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/950636" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=950636');">hardly</a>:</said><p>It sticks in the back of my mind that Vitelity is one of voip.ms DID suppliers. Is that correct?<br> </p></div>&nbsp;<br>Yes, I believe so, and Fibernetics of Waterloo Ontario Canada is another provider to VOIP.MS for DIDs in Eastern Ontario Canada, and likely further areas.<br><br>Fibernetics is also a CLEC, and they provide DIDs to CallCentric and other VoIPPs in these same areas, which I learned while researching my OWN options, as I live there.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1847154" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1847154');">User834</a>:</said><p>I think counting and listing server locations is based on a noble idea, but not likely to capture or characterize the systems in a meaningful way to customers....<br> </p></div>&nbsp;<br>Interesting proposal, but I will be lucky to receive the level of info which I requested, never mind the degree of detail required to do calculations as you suggested.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/373609" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=373609');">espaeth</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1651402" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1651402');">Davesnothere</a>:</said><p>this thread itself is supposed to become a summary of all of the scattered info about VoIP providers' servers and of their redundancy plans</p></div>Can you edit your first post in the thread so that all the info is consolidated there, rather than having to scan through the thread?<br> </p></div>&nbsp;<br>I guess I could try that, but this is not a very long thread as it is.<br><br>Some of this info is in/from the 109 page omnibus CallCentric thread too &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r27591360-CallCentric-tech-issues-today-">CallCentric tech issues today?</A> , and I think that by getting it into here I have already reduced peoples' reading times considerably. :)<br><br>Also, some posters in the current thread, while their input is still valuable, have given incomplete info, and I encourage them to return and edit their posts if they learn any more about those particular providers during the next couple of days, before their posts get frozen.<br><br>Plus I was thinking of doing a spreadsheet or some sort of table afterwards, but I wish to wait a bit longer to see how many more providers get listed here.<br><br>And yes, I realize that DSLR locks each post after about 5 days. :)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/809372" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=809372');">sokhapkin</a>:</said><p>Good. Where is the URL of the summary?<br> </p></div>&nbsp;<br>I'm not sure what you are asking.<br><br>This thread IS the summary of what I have been able to find elsewhere, with contributions from other folks too, hopefully including yourself.<br><br>You are already here : &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r27685408-Where-are-the-SERVERS-Summary">SERVER & GENERATOR LOCATIONS</A><br><br>Your website URL is helpful and appreciated, but I'm trying to only put the info about server locations and redundancy plans, and not other details of functions and features.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[w8sdz posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1847154" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1847154');">User834</a>:</said><p>VoIP customers are usually primarily interested in the reliability and availability of three things:<br><br>1.  The ability to place outgoing calls from my phone.<br><br>2. The ability to receive incoming calls to my DID.<br><br>3. The ability to provision or make changes to account account/service.<br> </p></div>The bottom line is: does the provider have a disaster recovery plan? Unfortunately Callcentric does not.<br><br>Think about this: What would happen if a natural or man-made disaster totally destroyed your provider's central operation.<br><br>One example of a good recovery plan is Anveo which has three data centers, widely separated in three different countries.<br><br>Your standard formula does't work when a single-site provider is destroyed.<br><br><small>--<br>73 de w8sdz - <A HREF="sip:w8sdz@getonsip.com">sip:w8sdz@getonsip.com</a> - Google+: &raquo;<A HREF="https://plus.google.com/+w8sdz" >plus.google.com/+w8sdz</A><br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[User834 posted : I think counting and listing server locations is based on a noble idea, but not likely to capture or characterize the systems in a meaningful way to customers.<br><br>Customers are interested in the reliability and availability of the services they've purchased.  Let's begin with two simple definitions so we're all talking the same language.<br><br><b>Reliability</b>: How often I can expect something to fail (or be unavailable) in a specified period of time.  <br><br><b>Availability</b>: What percentage of time I can expect something to be working. The standard availability formula is:<br><code>availability = uptime / (uptime + downtime)</code><br><br>Those are not two terms for the same thing.  Something that fails 10 times a year for one minute each time has the same expected availability as another thing that fails once per year, but is out for 10 minutes.  Their reliability is different, though.  <br><br>VoIP customers are usually primarily interested in the reliability and availability of three things:<br><br>1.  The ability to place outgoing calls from my phone.<br><br>2. The ability to receive incoming calls to my DID.<br><br>3. The ability to provision or make changes to account account/service.<br><br>There are other things, but those are the big three.  Different customers will put them in different order or place different priorities on them based on their personal or business needs.<br><br>A server failure (or any other failure) may affect all of the services I'm interested in or just a subset.  There are many failure modes in a distributed architecture.<br><br>The number and location of servers are just two of many factors contributing to the reliability and availability of customer purchased services.  The design of the servers themselves, the architecture of the overall solution, and the availability of repair/correction staff are among a long list of other factors.  Then you have to add in the expected reliability and availability of elements outside of the provider's direct control, such as physical CLEC connections and interconnecting IP networks.<br><br>Unfortunately, the detailed data necessary to estimate the expected availability of purchased services isn't readily available, so we're left with personal experience and that of others (word of mouth, reviews, forum info, etc.).<br><br>A typical VoIP provider will use several different kinds of servers to perform the various functions.  It's unlikely any are using the same physical servers to host their web pages and provisioning as their SIP proxy servers.  It's possible to have one web server and numerous SIP proxy servers scattered around or vice versa, although neither configuration makes much practical sense.  The point is counting something as generic as "servers" doesn't tell you much about the expected reliability or availability of your DID line.<br>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 20:41:53 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[hardly posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/373609" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=373609');">espaeth</a>:</said><p><b>Vitelity</b> -- multiple facilities in the Denver area, primary facility in Englewood is owned by the company, has direct carrier interconnects with XO, Level(3)/GlobalCrossing, Paetec, and PacWest.  Backup power provided by UPS and generator.  <b>There is no geographic redundancy for core call processing functions.</b>  Facility details:  &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.freshnews.com/news/554904/vitelity-communications-builds-out-data-center-offer-hosting-platforms-" >www.freshnews.com/news/554904/vi&middot;&middot;&middot;atforms-</A><br>...<br> </p></div>It sticks in the back of my mind that Vitelity is one of voip.ms DID suppliers. Is that correct?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 19:19:58 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[espaeth posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1651402" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1651402');">Davesnothere</a>:</said><p>this thread itself is supposed to become a summary of all of the scattered info about VoIP providers' servers and of their redundancy plans</p></div>Can you edit your first post in the thread so that all the info is consolidated there, rather than having to scan through the thread?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 17:16:02 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[VexorgTR posted : Appia:<br>Traverse City MI,<br>Chicago, IL]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 17:13:05 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[sokhapkin posted : Good. Where is the URL of the summary?<br><small>--<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.callwithus.com" >www.callwithus.com</A></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 17:11:05 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Davesnothere posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/809372" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=809372');">sokhapkin</a>:</said><p>What is the point of this thread? Where is the summary?<br> </p></div>&nbsp;<br>Thanks for dropping in.<br><br>After what just happened to CallCentric in its NYC operations (and what VOIP.MS managed to avoid in theirs), this short thread is intended to become a <b>ONE-STOP SUMMARY</b> of the scattered info about VoIP providers' server locations and failover redundancy plans, some of which I have seen posted in various other recent threads here (often for the first time), plus info about additional VoIP providers of which I did not know before.<br><br>Therefore I would be both pleased and honoured if you would post the info for CallWithUs. :)]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 16:40:54 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[sokhapkin posted : What is the point of this thread? Where is the summary?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 16:26:34 EDT</pubDate>
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