 Count ZeroObama-Biden 2012Premium
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Winston Salem, NC | reply to Nezmo
Re: Apple now has a Lightning to Micro USB Cable Over the course of 8-10yrs of the standards use it will wind up being like 7-10 extra dollars per year to buy a handful of extra cables. It's just not really an issue. |
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said by dirtyjeffer:said by Nezmo:And I already said they can charge more than $2, just not the silly prices you are apparently prepared to pay.
if i go to a store to buy a charger for my device, they are all $20-$30...so, you pay $30 for a micro USB cable, or $30 for an Apple cable...the only difference is you won't be able to buy a Lightning cable for $2 each off ebay...personally, i don't care...having worked in the industry, and seen the varying degrees of quality of items, i'd rather have something made to some sort of minimum standards to ensure my $700 device isn't damaged from some POS $2 cable. Excuse me? You can get 5 star micro usb cables off amazon for $5. Go to the site if you don't believe me. |
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said by Count Zero:Dude, they're not out to listen to logic. They're just upset that Apple does its own thing. Nano USB has the advantage of ubiquity, but it is a limited standards. Lightning is a future proof, highly capable, and very convenient interface – but unless android has it, they'll always find something to bitch about, even if it Apple were only charging $2...
The thing about micro usb is that it is a standard. Which means groups of people work on it, and compete to drive down prices.
So what happens when a new standard of micro usb comes out that supports more wattage and faster speeds? What will you guys do to defend your overpriced buying when that happens? |
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NirvanaLand | said by Metatron2008: What will you guys do to defend your overpriced buying when that happens?
Personally, I'll just sell a few shares of AAPL to maintain my fix.
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November is National Epilepsy Month |
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Count ZeroObama-Biden 2012Premium
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Winston Salem, NC | reply to Metatron2008
Well since its not likely to be compatible with the old micro USB stuff I will just laugh. How long has microusb been a cell phone standard? How long will it be? I'll wager Lightning way outlasts it in duration and capability and ultimately isn't as uneconomical as you pretend it is. |
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| usb 3 is backwards compatible with usb 2. One of the advantages of a standard. |
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Count ZeroObama-Biden 2012Premium
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1 edit | USB 3 and 2 are different standards you understand?
From a USB cable website: "The USB 3.0 Micro B connector is found on USB 3.0 devices. This connector is designed to carry data and power in USB SuperSpeed applications. . Cables with this connector are not backwards compatible with USB 2.0 or USB 1.1 devices."
»www.cablestogo.com/resources/usb.asp |
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| Nice selective linking...
The usb a-type is backwards compatible with past uab connections. The connector is for usb 3 but any past connector will work with usb 3 a type.
With so many connection a new standard for usb micro would be backwards compatible. |
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Count ZeroObama-Biden 2012Premium
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Winston Salem, NC | Yes but the B side is required for the higher power and higher speeds.
AND USB 3.0 specification is limited to 4.5 W right now - though in the future it may go higher. We already know lightning can carry 12 W and Apple hasn't publicly stated its max. |
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Count ZeroObama-Biden 2012Premium
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Winston Salem, NC | reply to Metatron2008
By your logic lighting's USB cable has the same USB A connector as the old 30 pin..
And I guess you'll have to buy a bunch of extra cables when microusb 3.0 hits phones to get its advantages... Doesn't sound much more economical. |
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uh, no, the a-type is capable of the usb 3 speeds :\ |
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said by Count Zero:By your logic lighting's USB cable has the same USB A connector as the old 30 pin..
And I guess you'll have to buy a bunch of extra cables when microusb 3.0 hits phones to get its advantages... Doesn't sound much more economical.
Well the point of it being a standard is if you bought the new cables a company could not price gouge.
Plus older connections SHOULD be backwards compatible. I supoose they could go with a different connection, but considering how many devices use the current, it would seem like suicide. |
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| When I got my 6 monitor eyefinity setup, I got a machine with usb 3 a type. Can power external ssds at near sata 2 speeds (if they use usb 3), and are backwards compatible with all other usb devices (Although I notice a few issues, such as not being able to access bios if you hook up a keyboard to a usb 3 connection, the usb 3 devices only kick on when windows starts).
You say it's not economical, but all I have to get is a usb 3 cord IF a new device doesn't come with one. If they had an apple like system I'd have to replace cables for EVERY USB DEVICE I OWN, OR GET AN ADAPTOR. At $30 a pop. |
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Count ZeroObama-Biden 2012Premium
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Winston Salem, NC | reply to Metatron2008
USB cables only drive USB devices at USB 2 speeds and at USB 2 power so it's not practical for all devices. It also won't charge these newer tablets (or oversized phones) very quickly so that's a negative. |
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Count ZeroObama-Biden 2012Premium
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Winston Salem, NC | reply to Metatron2008
Btw every new apple iPhone and iPad and iPod that uses lightning comes with a lightning USB cable... |
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Yeah, the only "digital" feature it has is to have a version of DRM further tying you to Apple:
"Official Lightning connectors contain an authentication chip that makes it difficult for third-party manufacturers to produce compatible accessories without being "approved" by Apple" |
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said by Count Zero:USB cables only drive USB devices at USB 2 speeds and at USB 2 power so it's not practical for all devices. It also won't charge these newer tablets (or oversized phones) very quickly so that's a negative.
So you have to wait 10 more minutes to use your device, patience is a virtue. |
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Count ZeroObama-Biden 2012Premium
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Winston Salem, NC | 10 minutes? Hardly. From a full discharged tablet probably several additional hours. |
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said by Count Zero:Well since its not likely to be compatible with the old micro USB stuff I will just laugh. How long has microusb been a cell phone standard? Since 2007, and micro USB 3.0 uses the same connector plus a supplemental portion for the extra data lines. |
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said by Count Zero:10 minutes? Hardly. From a full discharged tablet probably several additional hours.
Given that the Apple charger uses a USB port to charge I have to say it has more to do with the device and charger than the connection standard. |
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