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tommy3rd
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Re: Apple now has a Lightning to Micro USB Cable

said by Post Op:

Does this mean they could have just made the jack on the device micro usb instead of the proprietary lightning jack they are forcing on everybody?

yes, but it wouldn't have been reversible like the lightning connector. Also, they're not forcing it on you. you don't have to buy an iphone. get another smartphone with a micro usb plug if that's what's important to you.


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said by tommy3rd:

said by Post Op:

Does this mean they could have just made the jack on the device micro usb instead of the proprietary lightning jack they are forcing on everybody?

yes, but it wouldn't have been reversible like the lightning connector. Also, they're not forcing it on you. you don't have to buy an iphone. get another smartphone with a micro usb plug if that's what's important to you.

Thank you for pointing that out to me.
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said by tommy3rd:

said by Post Op:

Does this mean they could have just made the jack on the device micro usb instead of the proprietary lightning jack they are forcing on everybody?

yes, but it wouldn't have been reversible like the lightning connector. Also, they're not forcing it on you. you don't have to buy an iphone. get another smartphone with a micro usb plug if that's what's important to you.

You sound defensive.


tommy3rd
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said by Metatron2008:

You sound defensive.

nah. it's the same thing over and over again. apple introduces something different and people cry about it. then what do they do? they buy it anyway and cry about it some more. There are things i don't like about Apple, but I'm tied to it so I suck it up. If it comes to a point where I can't take it anymore then I'll try something else. otherwise, any kinda changes they do, I would have to live with it.


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Well just think, if they didn't make the lightening PORT you would've gotten a micro usb connection for $2. Now you get to 'donate' $30 per apple adapter, or $19 for micro usb adaptor...


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said by Metatron2008:

Well just think, if they didn't make the lightening porn you would've gotten a micro usb connection for $2. Now you get to 'donate' $30 per apple adapter, or $19 for micro usb adaptor...

or not upgrade and stay with the same connectors and accessories that I already own. It was my decision to upgrade, and it was my decision to choose something with a different connector. I could have gone with a 4S, but i chose the latest one they sold, regardless of connections.


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If things start swinging away from Apple products and towards Android and PC's, this will be the turning point. There better be some cool stuff coming that a lightning connector can accomplish that a micro usb connector can't to justify this change. I was ready to get an iPhone 5 until this cable change was announced. I'm just sitting tight with my 2 year old Galaxy S for now. Apple you had me and now I'm wavering. Let's see if you can win me back. My almost 5 year old iMac will need replacing soon. There's more at stake than just the mobile and tablet market. Apple was leaps and bounds better but the competition is catching up.
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if a $25 connector is holding you back from getting a great device you should enjoy for a couple of years (and utilizing a cell plan likely in the $50-$75/month, which could be a further $1200+ dollars over the course of 2 years), then i don't know what else to say, other than, it seems silly...so, if you bought a device with a MiniUSB a few years ago, did you make a big stink when it went to MicroUSB??...what about in 2 years when it goes to NanoUSB...then PicoUSB...then TurboUSB4Ti...just because MicroUSB is "standard" now, doesn't mean it will be in a couple of years...Lightning is different...so you might spend $20 on a cable instead of $2 (for some cheap knock-off that likely won't last long anyway), after investing perhaps $2000 over the course of 2 years, who cares about a $20 adapter??...seriously?
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Seriously!? What's pissing me off is that I already have in our house several iPods, my wife's iPhone 4S and an iPad 2 and enough cables in cars and throughout the house to charge all these devices. We also have micro usb cables for kindles and a couple of android phones. Instead of using a cheap and already available cable for their new devices they chose to make a cable costing 10 times more because they can. It strikes me as insulting and petty on Apple's part to add this extra cost after already laying out serious cash for this stuff. I would want a cable at work, for the car and an extra one for the bedroom. $60 wouldn't break the bank but Apple could afford to sell them for a lot cheaper or they could have just made it a micro usb.
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I meant to say lightening PORT, not lightening PORN. I can't believe nobody called me out on my typo lol..


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said by Metatron2008:

I meant to say lightening PORT, not lightening PORN. I can't believe nobody called me out on my typo lol..

Lightning porn would have been worth $20.
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said by Metatron2008:

I meant to say lightening PORT, not lightening PORN. I can't believe nobody called me out on my typo lol..

I just thought that you were giving your opinion that Apple acted obscenely by making the decision to change to the lightning port.

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I can't believe nobody called me out on my typo lol..

We were enjoying it too much


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if a $25 connector is holding you back from getting a great device you should enjoy for a couple of years (and utilizing a cell plan likely in the $50-$75/month, which could be a further $1200+ dollars over the course of 2 years), then i don't know what else to say, other than, it seems silly...so, if you bought a device with a MiniUSB a few years ago, did you make a big stink when it went to MicroUSB??...what about in 2 years when it goes to NanoUSB...then PicoUSB...then TurboUSB4Ti...just because MicroUSB is "standard" now, doesn't mean it will be in a couple of years...Lightning is different...so you might spend $20 on a cable instead of $2 (for some cheap knock-off that likely won't last long anyway), after investing perhaps $2000 over the course of 2 years, who cares about a $20 adapter??...seriously?

Apple loves you. You are their perfect customer.

While much can be done over Wi-Fi or BT now (another long thread somewhere on this), much still can't and not all cars are bang up to date with connection options, etc. I have many accessories that interface with the old dock connector. Yes, there are adapters, and Apple made sure they are three times the price of what they need to be, and they make some connections from what was slick and well fitting to making your device sit up high and wobbly. Yes, things change. But in this case it was a cash grab NOT some magical improvement in functionality. Apple even have a grip on the license of this connector for some time. For those that can't see this was simply a greedy move by Apple, well, your loss.

This is Apple arrogance at it's best. Had Apple offered the adapters for a reasonable price I think there would be less frustration out there.
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said by Nezmo:

This is Apple arrogance at it's best.

call it arrogance, business savvy, greediness, or whatever you want..as long as people buy their stuff even at a premium, they are not gonna change.


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said by Nezmo:

This is Apple arrogance at it's best. Had Apple offered the adapters for a reasonable price I think there would be less frustration out there.

i think $25 for a quality connector is reasonable...it isn't just a "connector", it is a "smart connector", that is reversible and completely digital (to allow alternative pinouts for various applications)...personally, having seen some of the $2 crap out there, i'm glad Apple doesn't allow cheap junk out there to ruin your devices...our work is littered with Blackberry and Android products with broken micro-usb connectors on them and it is a PITA and costly to continuously have them replaced/fixed...in fact, it is FAR more costly than a $25 quality connector.

in any event, if the $2 cable is that important to you, then don't buy an iPhone5...no one says you have to buy one.
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said by dirtyjeffer:

said by Nezmo:

This is Apple arrogance at it's best. Had Apple offered the adapters for a reasonable price I think there would be less frustration out there.

...

in any event, if the $2 cable is that important to you, then don't buy an iPhone5...no one says you have to buy one.

Thank you for that advice.

I have not bought an iPhone 5. The connector is not the only reason.

I have two Apple cables that have come apart at the plug (the cable sheathing has separated where it enters the plug). I never pull a cord by the cable, only by the plug and when not in use I curl it up loosely and put it in a drawer. Again, the premium Apple is charging is a gouge. They can still set their products apart if they must by charging more than $2 but the money they want for their cables and adapters is rather sad.
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said by dirtyjeffer:

it is a "smart connector"

A smart connector would have some kind of "brain". I don't think this one does.


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said by robbin:

said by dirtyjeffer:

it is a "smart connector"

A smart connector would have some kind of "brain". I don't think this one does.

I've yet to see details on exactly what this "smart" thing really offers other than being reversible. I believe folks are simply falling for the hype.
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said by dirtyjeffer:

said by Nezmo:

This is Apple arrogance at it's best. Had Apple offered the adapters for a reasonable price I think there would be less frustration out there.

i think $25 for a quality connector is reasonable...it isn't just a "connector", it is a "smart connector", that is reversible and completely digital (to allow alternative pinouts for various applications)...personally, having seen some of the $2 crap out there, i'm glad Apple doesn't allow cheap junk out there to ruin your devices...our work is littered with Blackberry and Android products with broken micro-usb connectors on them and it is a PITA and costly to continuously have them replaced/fixed...in fact, it is FAR more costly than a $25 quality connector.

in any event, if the $2 cable is that important to you, then don't buy an iPhone5...no one says you have to buy one.

DIGITAL IS DIGITAL... IT'S ALL 1S AND 0S... YOU CAN'T GET A DIFFERENT DIGITAL CONNECTOR AND HAVE IT WORK DIFFERENTLY.

The only real differences would be speed and wattage.

I'm guessing you think the $200 monster hdmi cables they sell at bestbuy also make a huge difference?


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said by Nezmo:

I have two Apple cables that have come apart at the plug (the cable sheathing has separated where it enters the plug). I never pull a cord by the cable, only by the plug and when not in use I curl it up loosely and put it in a drawer. Again, the premium Apple is charging is a gouge. They can still set their products apart if they must by charging more than $2 but the money they want for their cables and adapters is rather sad.

the previous connector was used for the last 9 years...a new connector was needed as it was too large for the new chassis...i highly doubt the issues you have seen with your old connector would happen with the Lightning connector...it is a much better connector (my iPad and nano use the old connector).
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said by robbin:

said by dirtyjeffer:

it is a "smart connector"

A smart connector would have some kind of "brain". I don't think this one does.

it does.

»www.zdnet.com/oh-apple-lightning···0006843/

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_(connector)
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said by Nezmo:

I've yet to see details on exactly what this "smart" thing really offers other than being reversible. I believe folks are simply falling for the hype.

being reversible on its own is a great feature, but there are others.

»www.macgasm.net/2012/09/14/light···icro-us/

»brockerhoff.net/blog/2012/09/13/boom-2/

»brockerhoff.net/blog/2012/09/18/···llow-up/
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Dude, they're not out to listen to logic. They're just upset that Apple does its own thing. Nano USB has the advantage of ubiquity, but it is a limited standards. Lightning is a future proof, highly capable, and very convenient interface – but unless android has it, they'll always find something to bitch about, even if it Apple were only charging $2...


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said by Count Zero:

... but unless android has it, they'll always find something to bitch about, even if it Apple were only charging $2...

You generalize too much Sir. I have never owned an Android device. I am on my third iPhone personally and one of my sons has an iPhone and I bought my mother one. I have an iPad 2 and I've lost count how many iPods I have or bought for others.

And I already said they can charge more than $2, just not the silly prices you are apparently prepared to pay.
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said by dirtyjeffer:

said by Nezmo:

I have two Apple cables that have come apart at the plug (the cable sheathing has separated where it enters the plug). I never pull a cord by the cable, only by the plug and when not in use I curl it up loosely and put it in a drawer. Again, the premium Apple is charging is a gouge. They can still set their products apart if they must by charging more than $2 but the money they want for their cables and adapters is rather sad.

the previous connector was used for the last 9 years...a new connector was needed as it was too large for the new chassis...i highly doubt the issues you have seen with your old connector would happen with the Lightning connector...it is a much better connector (my iPad and nano use the old connector).

So the physical construction of the new connector is better? Is there data supporting that?
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said by Nezmo:

So the physical construction of the new connector is better? Is there data supporting that?

it has nothing to do with the physical construction of it...the design on its own virtually eliminates those problems...it is one of the advantages of the Lightning connector.


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And I already said they can charge more than $2, just not the silly prices you are apparently prepared to pay.

if i go to a store to buy a charger for my device, they are all $20-$30...so, you pay $30 for a micro USB cable, or $30 for an Apple cable...the only difference is you won't be able to buy a Lightning cable for $2 each off ebay...personally, i don't care...having worked in the industry, and seen the varying degrees of quality of items, i'd rather have something made to some sort of minimum standards to ensure my $700 device isn't damaged from some POS $2 cable.
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Over the course of 8-10yrs of the standards use it will wind up being like 7-10 extra dollars per year to buy a handful of extra cables. It's just not really an issue.