Re: Day 5, no power

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PrntRhd Premium join:2004-11-03 Fairfield, CA Reviews: ·Comcast	reply to jazzlady Re: Day 5, no power I spoke with a friend from work located in White Plains NY, the issue there: stations with no power to pump gas from the tanks are closed and the stations that do have power have been sucked dry. People drive around trying to find gas and line up if they find one open.
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battleop join:2005-09-28 00000	You would think that these stores (at least some) would have backup generators. I would imagine they have lost more money than what it would cost for a generator. -- I do not, have not, and will not work for AT&T/Comcast/Verizon/Charter or similar sized company.
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jazzlady join:2005-08-04 Tannersville, PA	reply to PrntRhd said by PrntRhd: I spoke with a friend from work located in White Plains NY, the issue there: stations with no power to pump gas from the tanks are closed and the stations that do have power have been sucked dry. People drive around trying to find gas and line up if they find one open. Which begs the question- why don't gas stations have generators? Secondly- wouldn't it be possible to siphon gas directly from an underground tank even if a station has no power? Or is it too long a run? If things are this bad now, I could just imagine how bad they will get in a national disaster. -- “When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.” Sinclair Lewis
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pnh102 Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty Premium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD 1 edit	said by jazzlady: Which begs the question- why don't gas stations have generators? Probably because they cannot raise prices enough to cover the costs of portable electric generation. As you well know with your generator it costs a lot more to produce electricity with that than it does to buy it from the power company. But interestingly enough, even electrical power plants cannot run off the power they produce... It has to go through a substation first. -- Romney/Ryan 2012 - Put a couple of mature adults in charge.
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PrntRhd Premium join:2004-11-03 Fairfield, CA Reviews: ·Comcast	reply to jazzlady said by jazzlady: said by PrntRhd: I spoke with a friend from work located in White Plains NY, the issue there: stations with no power to pump gas from the tanks are closed and the stations that do have power have been sucked dry. People drive around trying to find gas and line up if they find one open. Which begs the question- why don't gas stations have generators? Secondly- wouldn't it be possible to siphon gas directly from an underground tank even if a station has no power? Or is it too long a run? If things are this bad now, I could just imagine how bad they will get in a national disaster. They do require larger gas stations in South Florida to have backup generators per state law just because of the hurricane threat. www.allianceforaging.org/pdfs/hurricanepreparedness.pdf
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djdanska Rudie32 Premium,MVM join:2001-04-21 San Diego, CA kudos:4 Reviews: ·Cox HSI ·Verizon Broadban.. ·Clear Wireless ·Time Warner Cable	reply to jazzlady said by jazzlady: said by PrntRhd: I spoke with a friend from work located in White Plains NY, the issue there: stations with no power to pump gas from the tanks are closed and the stations that do have power have been sucked dry. People drive around trying to find gas and line up if they find one open. Which begs the question- why don't gas stations have generators? Secondly- wouldn't it be possible to siphon gas directly from an underground tank even if a station has no power? Or is it too long a run? If things are this bad now, I could just imagine how bad they will get in a national disaster. The gas station i worked at in the midwest did have a generator. It was only set for the main store, and limited to a few lights and all the networking/computer/registers we had. It wasn't feasible to have our pumps on a generator considering how much power they used. Was literally enough to let you go inside, pay for whatever gas you used and leave. After a bit, it shut down all network an pos systems we had to prevent damage. -- The day the child realizes that all adults are imperfect, he becomes an adolescent; the day he forgives them, he becomes an adult. The day he forgives himself, he becomes wise. Alden Nowlan
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David Now accepting new patients Premium,VIP join:2002-05-30 Granite City, IL kudos:78 Reviews: ·DIRECTV ·AT&T Midwest ·magicjack.com ·Google Voice ·AT&T Southwest	reply to PrntRhd The gas station I was at had a Natural Gas generator. We had like 12 pumps. In a power outage it could only sustain 8, security equipment, POS equipment and subsequent networking. No hotdogs, no soda, and the cooler full of soda. So they could still sell gas but in a limited capacity.
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jazzlady join:2005-08-04 Tannersville, PA	reply to pnh102 said by pnh102: said by jazzlady: Which begs the question- why don't gas stations have generators? Probably because they cannot raise prices enough to cover the costs of portable electric generation. As you well know with your generator it costs a lot more to produce electricity with that than it does to buy it from the power company. The oil companies are rich enough to supply every gas station in America with a generator. That's barely pocket change for them considering their staggeringly high profits with gas prices what they are and oil prices below $90 a barrel. It's probably a tax write-off as well. As for the cost of running the thing- my 8000 watt generator takes about 5 gallons a day if running for about 12-16 hours. Even if a bigger genny were needed for a gas station, it still wouldn't cost them all that much to run it for say- 12 hours a day, because they would make the money back in profits. A diesel or natural gas generator would cost much less to run. -- “When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.” Sinclair Lewis
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jazzlady join:2005-08-04 Tannersville, PA	reply to battleop said by battleop: You would think that these stores (at least some) would have backup generators. I would imagine they have lost more money than what it would cost for a generator. We have a Weis and a Giant market here. Tons of food had to be thrown out because of potential spoilage and defrosting. I totally agree with you- it would cost a LOT less to have an industrial sized generator to power the store than to have to throw away tens of thousands of dollars worth of food. It's not like the power doesn't go out in this area on a regular basis either. This crap happens ALL the time. It really pissed me off that much of the food they were tossing in the dumpsters was still good- like eggs- and could have been given to the local shelters instead. Such a waste. -- “When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.” Sinclair Lewis
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jazzlady join:2005-08-04 Tannersville, PA	reply to PrntRhd said by PrntRhd: said by jazzlady: said by PrntRhd: I spoke with a friend from work located in White Plains NY, the issue there: stations with no power to pump gas from the tanks are closed and the stations that do have power have been sucked dry. People drive around trying to find gas and line up if they find one open. Which begs the question- why don't gas stations have generators? Secondly- wouldn't it be possible to siphon gas directly from an underground tank even if a station has no power? Or is it too long a run? If things are this bad now, I could just imagine how bad they will get in a national disaster. They do require larger gas stations in South Florida to have backup generators per state law just because of the hurricane threat. One would think it would be similar here because of the snow and ice storm threat, but it isn't. Maybe it's time to contact my local representatives about it... -- “When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.” Sinclair Lewis
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jazzlady join:2005-08-04 Tannersville, PA	reply to David said by David: The gas station I was at had a Natural Gas generator. We had like 12 pumps. In a power outage it could only sustain 8, security equipment, POS equipment and subsequent networking. No hotdogs, no soda, and the cooler full of soda. So they could still sell gas but in a limited capacity. There you go. Even if a generator was only able to power a couple of pumps, it would be enough to keep people supplied with fuel needed for their own generators. It would be a whole lot better than nothing at all- which is the way it is in most of NY and NJ. -- “When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.” Sinclair Lewis
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djdanska Rudie32 Premium,MVM join:2001-04-21 San Diego, CA kudos:4 Reviews: ·Cox HSI ·Verizon Broadban.. ·Clear Wireless ·Time Warner Cable	reply to jazzlady said by jazzlady: said by pnh102: said by jazzlady: Which begs the question- why don't gas stations have generators? Probably because they cannot raise prices enough to cover the costs of portable electric generation. As you well know with your generator it costs a lot more to produce electricity with that than it does to buy it from the power company. The oil companies are rich enough to supply every gas station in America with a generator. That's barely pocket change for them considering their staggeringly high profits with gas prices what they are and oil prices below $90 a barrel. It's probably a tax write-off as well. As for the cost of running the thing- my 8000 watt generator takes about 5 gallons a day if running for about 12-16 hours. Even if a bigger genny were needed for a gas station, it still wouldn't cost them all that much to run it for say- 12 hours a day, because they would make the money back in profits. A diesel or natural gas generator would cost much less to run. The oil companies are rich enough, but our station was not owned by any oil company. We get the majority of our profits from people buying stuff inside. Not the gas. Can't afford it. -- The day the child realizes that all adults are imperfect, he becomes an adolescent; the day he forgives them, he becomes an adult. The day he forgives himself, he becomes wise. Alden Nowlan
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djdanska Rudie32 Premium,MVM join:2001-04-21 San Diego, CA kudos:4 Reviews: ·Cox HSI ·Verizon Broadban.. ·Clear Wireless ·Time Warner Cable	reply to jazzlady said by jazzlady: said by battleop: You would think that these stores (at least some) would have backup generators. I would imagine they have lost more money than what it would cost for a generator. We have a Weis and a Giant market here. Tons of food had to be thrown out because of potential spoilage and defrosting. I totally agree with you- it would cost a LOT less to have an industrial sized generator to power the store than to have to throw away tens of thousands of dollars worth of food. It's not like the power doesn't go out in this area on a regular basis either. This crap happens ALL the time. It really pissed me off that much of the food they were tossing in the dumpsters was still good- like eggs- and could have been given to the local shelters instead. Such a waste. Out here, they bring in multiple semi trailers and put all the stuff that needs to be refrigerated or frozen in them. No loss assuming they can get there soon enough, which they usually can. -- The day the child realizes that all adults are imperfect, he becomes an adolescent; the day he forgives them, he becomes an adult. The day he forgives himself, he becomes wise. Alden Nowlan
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AVD Respice, Adspice, Prospice Premium join:2003-02-06 Onion, NJ kudos:1	reply to jazzlady said by jazzlady: As for the cost of running the thing- my 8000 watt generator takes about 5 gallons a day if running for about 12-16 hours. Even if a bigger genny were needed for a gas station, it still wouldn't cost them all that much to run it for say- 12 hours a day, because they would make the money back in profits. don't forget, a gas station get the fuel wholesale. -- * seek help if having trouble coping --Standard disclaimers apply.--
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jazzlady join:2005-08-04 Tannersville, PA	said by AVD: said by jazzlady: As for the cost of running the thing- my 8000 watt generator takes about 5 gallons a day if running for about 12-16 hours. Even if a bigger genny were needed for a gas station, it still wouldn't cost them all that much to run it for say- 12 hours a day, because they would make the money back in profits. don't forget, a gas station get the fuel wholesale. True. I don't know what the profit margin is on fuel, but FWIW- the stations here that do have power have already jacked their prices up by about .20 cents a gallon, and they don't have hungry generators to feed. -- “When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.” Sinclair Lewis
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jazzlady join:2005-08-04 Tannersville, PA	reply to djdanska said by djdanska: The oil companies are rich enough, but our station was not owned by any oil company. We get the majority of our profits from people buying stuff inside. Not the gas. Can't afford it. Your situation may be different, but I would think that for 90+% of gas stations around the country- they're company owned. -- “When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.” Sinclair Lewis
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djdanska Rudie32 Premium,MVM join:2001-04-21 San Diego, CA kudos:4 Reviews: ·Cox HSI ·Verizon Broadban.. ·Clear Wireless ·Time Warner Cable	said by jazzlady: said by djdanska: The oil companies are rich enough, but our station was not owned by any oil company. We get the majority of our profits from people buying stuff inside. Not the gas. Can't afford it. Your situation may be different, but I would think that for 90+% of gas stations around the country- they're company owned. Most of the gas stations around here are franchised. Not owned by the oil company. You can't rely on just gas to survive. It's impossible. -- The day the child realizes that all adults are imperfect, he becomes an adolescent; the day he forgives them, he becomes an adult. The day he forgives himself, he becomes wise. Alden Nowlan
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jazzlady join:2005-08-04 Tannersville, PA	reply to djdanska said by djdanska: said by jazzlady: said by battleop: You would think that these stores (at least some) would have backup generators. I would imagine they have lost more money than what it would cost for a generator. We have a Weis and a Giant market here. Tons of food had to be thrown out because of potential spoilage and defrosting. I totally agree with you- it would cost a LOT less to have an industrial sized generator to power the store than to have to throw away tens of thousands of dollars worth of food. It's not like the power doesn't go out in this area on a regular basis either. This crap happens ALL the time. It really pissed me off that much of the food they were tossing in the dumpsters was still good- like eggs- and could have been given to the local shelters instead. Such a waste. Out here, they bring in multiple semi trailers and put all the stuff that needs to be refrigerated or frozen in them. No loss assuming they can get there soon enough, which they usually can. Nothing like that is done here. My neighbor stood watching in horror as good food was thrown into dumpsters. If it were my supermarket, I would have given it away. People were picking stuff out of the dumpsters anyway. Such a waste, and so stupid of the supermarkets to not have generators. When you live in the snow belt, during the winter there will be no way to get semi's here because more often than not- route 80 will be shut down due to a truck accident. This stretch of 80 is one of the worst highways in the nation, and we have weeks- even in good weather- where it gets shut down 3 times a week due to tractor trailer accidents. So what happens in this case? The supermarkets get a tax write-off, and the insurance company picks up the tab for the lost goods? I'm really not sure how it works. Sounds like poor planning to me, when a generator would have prevented the loss in the first place, and they're in an area where this happens all the time. -- “When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.” Sinclair Lewis
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djdanska Rudie32 Premium,MVM join:2001-04-21 San Diego, CA kudos:4 Reviews: ·Cox HSI ·Verizon Broadban.. ·Clear Wireless ·Time Warner Cable	said by jazzlady: Nothing like that is done here. My neighbor stood watching in horror as good food was thrown into dumpsters. If it were my supermarket, I would have given it away. People were picking stuff out of the dumpsters anyway. Such a waste, and so stupid of the supermarkets to not have generators. When you live in the snow belt, during the winter there will be no way to get semi's here because more often than not- route 80 will be shut down due to a truck accident. This stretch of 80 is one of the worst highways in the nation, and we have weeks- even in good weather- where it gets shut down 3 times a week due to tractor trailer accidents. So what happens in this case? The supermarkets get a tax write-off, and the insurance company picks up the tab for the lost goods? I'm really not sure how it works. Sounds like poor planning to me, when a generator would have prevented the loss in the first place, and they're in an area where this happens all the time. The power company here, ComEd is well, known for taking their time and we lost power for simple things like rain showers. Jewel-Osco is very well prepared for these type of things. You never know the weather here. -- The day the child realizes that all adults are imperfect, he becomes an adolescent; the day he forgives them, he becomes an adult. The day he forgives himself, he becomes wise. Alden Nowlan
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severach join:2002-09-12 Jackson, MI	reply to jazzlady You'd think that any station owner with a lick of sense would race home and take the generator from momma to power the station. There's gold in them thar tanks if I can just pump it out.
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