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<description><![CDATA[rugby posted : It seems a bit sturdier at the cuff so it should be ok.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Count Zero posted : Well let's hope not for the consumer's sake.  I think it's possible that if they use thicker/stiffer/sturdier rubber on the cable that perhaps the wear and tear won't be as bad - but only time will tell.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[sk1939 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1432075" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1432075');">Count Zero</a>:</said><p>I had 10+ Apple USB-30 pin cables and only saw a very few every have problems and they were always several years old or very heavily used and abused when they started showing signs of wear.<br><br>I did see a problem with Apple's original MagSafe connectors having wear & tear at the juncture but since they've gone to the L shaped connector that has been much better.<br> </p></div>Perhaps, but the new Magsafe 2 is back to the original T design sadly (will probably see the same problems). ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 23:46:18 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Count Zero posted : I had 10+ Apple USB-30 pin cables and only saw a very few every have problems and they were always several years old or very heavily used and abused when they started showing signs of wear.<br><br>I did see a problem with Apple's original MagSafe connectors having wear & tear at the juncture but since they've gone to the L shaped connector that has been much better.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 14:02:42 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Nezmo posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/589128" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=589128');">dirtyjeffer</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1106849" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1106849');">Nezmo</a>:</said><p>I have two Apple cables that have come apart at the plug (the cable sheathing has separated where it enters the plug).  I never pull a cord by the cable, only by the plug and when not in use I curl it up loosely and put it in a drawer.  Again, the premium Apple is charging is a gouge.  They can still set their products apart if they must by charging more than $2 but the money they want for their cables and adapters is rather sad.<br> </p></div>the previous connector was used for the last 9 years...a new connector was needed as it was too large for the new chassis...i highly doubt the issues you have seen with your old connector would happen with the Lightning connector...it is a much better connector (my iPad and nano use the old connector).<br> </p></div>Hopefully the new connector is better.  The information in this thread about Apple OEM cables is more of what I have seen.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r27697404-My-power-cable-is-shredding">My power cable is shredding</A><br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.pbase.com/nezmo">My Gallery</a><br>Formerly Nezmo ;-)</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[dirtyjeffer posted : our store is a mixed bag...teens window shopping, young adults buying, older people looking/buying...plenty of people taking the seminars, but not usually the "youngins".]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2012 19:17:11 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[sk1939 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/589128" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=589128');">dirtyjeffer</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1766292" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1766292');">sk1939</a>:</said><p>Service has it's time and place, but again many people are not willing to pay the premium involved for such a thing, and only a handful who do utilize said service.<br></p></div>i would tend to disagree, considering the number of products Apple sells...as well, the few times i have been to their store, it is always jam packed with people getting instructions on things or attending one of their seminars (which they do several a day on).<br> </p></div>Must be a locale thing, down here its mostly window shoppers and people purchasing. Seminars are usually attended by older people who drive their Prii to get there.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2012 18:52:41 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[dirtyjeffer posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1766292" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1766292');">sk1939</a>:</said><p>Service has it's time and place, but again many people are not willing to pay the premium involved for such a thing, and only a handful who do utilize said service.<br></p></div>i would tend to disagree, considering the number of products Apple sells...as well, the few times i have been to their store, it is always jam packed with people getting instructions on things or attending one of their seminars (which they do several a day on).<br><small>--<br>People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.<br><br>- George Orwell</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2012 18:48:07 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[sk1939 posted : Service has it's time and place, but again many people are not willing to pay the premium involved for such a thing, and only a handful who do utilize said service.<br><br>Your quote is a misquote by the way, there is no evidence that Orwell actually said it. He has similar thoughts in his writings on nationalism and Rudyard Kipling, but no direct quotes. The closest is Churchill saying, "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm."]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[dirtyjeffer posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1106849" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1106849');">Nezmo</a>:</said><p>How romantic and cute.  I like my iPhone and iPad but I can't get emotionally attached to them as many do.  Experience?  It's an electronic device :huh:.   </p></div>you are not understand my point...i'm not talking about romance or emotional attachment to a brand...i am talking about "Customer Experience"...while plenty of people (many of whom i work with) are fine to grab an android device, sideload all kinds of different OSs and do all kinds of funky things with them, they are the exception, not the norm...many people just want it to work and do what the bought it for (phone, email, messaging, web, apps)...in that respect every device works quite well, but Apple does have that extra service available, should that be of interest to you.<br><br>case in point, several people i work with drive Lexus vehicles...are the Lexus vehicles really that much better than their Toyota (or other brand) equivalents?...debatable, but probably not...however, they drop their vehicles off for service/maintenance, get a Lexus loaner for the day and continue on business as usual, rather than get dropped off in a courtesy vehicle and be without wheels for the day...the Lexus dealership has a much higher level of service, and really, isn't that much more money to get your work done at...they don't do $9.99 Oil Changes, or $79 brake jobs...they do have competitive prices on what they do, but their niche is service, so for a little more than what most places charge, you get a much higher level of service...that is the Customer Experience, and many companies are following that business model, rather than a race to the bottom.<br><small>--<br>People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.<br><br>- George Orwell</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2012 11:51:50 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Count Zero posted : You realize that I didn't reply to you when I made the android comment and there are other people in this thread that own droids right? You shouldn't take things personally. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Nezmo posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/589128" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=589128');">dirtyjeffer</a>:</said><p>...<br><br>you have to remember, Apple does things differently...they don't  just sell you a device, they sell you an experience...any of those other devices, you simply buy it, and figure it out on your own...with an Apple product, you can go to an Apple store, sit in on a seminar to learn how to use it, get some one-on-one time with a "Genius" to provide some custom assistance focused on what you need...nobody else (currently) does that...you give them your money, and the transaction is done...it is this "extra" that has helped Apple separate itself as "just another" tablet or smartphone manufacturer.<br><br>...<br> </p></div>How romantic and cute.  I like my iPhone and iPad but I can't get emotionally attached to them as many do.  Experience?  It's an electronic device :huh:.  I concede.  I don't think I'm on the same plane as those that are so emotionally tied to Apple and thus I will likely never understand and any further discussion from me is probably worthless.<br><br>It was interesting earlier that because I was saying something negative about Apple I was branded an Android fan.  That says it all really.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.pbase.com/nezmo">My Gallery</a><br>Formerly Nezmo ;-)</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[dirtyjeffer posted : nothing wrong with control...it means you don't end up with varying levels of quality items out there...some good stuff, likely lots of crap...when there is a standard that must be adhered to, it levels the playing field...if i were Apple, and i had a very large brand to protect, i would want to ensure some $2 crappy cable didn't ruin one of my customer's purchases.<br><br>you have to remember, Apple does things differently...they don't  just sell you a device, they sell you an experience...any of those other devices, you simply buy it, and figure it out on your own...with an Apple product, you can go to an Apple store, sit in on a seminar to learn how to use it, get some one-on-one time with a "Genius" to provide some custom assistance focused on what you need...nobody else (currently) does that...you give them your money, and the transaction is done...it is this "extra" that has helped Apple separate itself as "just another" tablet or smartphone manufacturer.<br><br>some people are willing to pay a little more that, some aren't...their products are well made, they work great and you can get that "little extra" if you need it...sure it costs a bit more, but it was never Apple's intent to win a race to the bottom.<br><small>--<br>People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.<br><br>- George Orwell</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[sk1939 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/589128" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=589128');">dirtyjeffer</a>:</said><p>with all this talk of USB-a, USB-b, this power, that power, backwards compatible, not backwards compatible...some "standard". :uhh:<br><br>Lightning, it just works.<br> </p></div>That's the benefit when you have iron control over your ecosystem and only three devices to support, not hundreds (the downside). ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[sk1939 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1432075" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1432075');">Count Zero</a>:</said><p>In case you're unaware these standards define maximum power as well. <br> </p></div>Yes and no, Smart USB chargers can output 5V 2.1A. The standard applies more to PC connections rather than charging solutions.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Count Zero posted : A unit load is defined as 100 mA in USB 2.0, and 150 mA in USB 3.0. A device may draw a maximum of 5 unit loads (500 mA) from a port in USB 2.0; 6 (900 mA) in USB 3.0.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Metatron2008 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1432075" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1432075');">Count Zero</a>:</said><p>Btw every new apple iPhone and iPad and iPod that uses lightning comes with a lightning USB cable...<br> </p></div>The problem comes in all the accessories for apple products.  One of the main reasons I'm gonna get an iPad 3 if they ever have a liquidation sale..]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[sk1939 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1432075" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1432075');">Count Zero</a>:</said><p>10 minutes? Hardly. From a full discharged tablet probably several additional hours. <br> </p></div>Given that the Apple charger uses a USB port to charge I have to say it has more to do with the device and charger than the connection standard. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[sk1939 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1432075" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1432075');">Count Zero</a>:</said><p>Well since its not likely to be compatible with the old micro USB stuff I will just laugh. How long has microusb been a cell phone standard? </p></div>Since 2007, and micro USB 3.0 uses the same connector plus a supplemental portion for the extra data lines. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Count Zero posted : 10 minutes? Hardly. From a full discharged tablet probably several additional hours. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[sk1939 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1432075" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1432075');">Count Zero</a>:</said><p>USB cables only drive USB devices at USB 2 speeds and at USB 2 power so it's not practical for all devices. It also won't charge these newer tablets (or oversized phones) very quickly so that's a negative. <br> </p></div>So you have to wait 10 more minutes to use your device, patience is a virtue. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[sk1939 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/589128" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=589128');">dirtyjeffer</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/205331" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=205331');">robbin</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/589128" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=589128');">dirtyjeffer</a>:</said><p> it is a "smart connector" </p></div>A smart connector would have some kind of "brain". I don't think this one does.  :(<br> </p></div>it does.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.zdnet.com/oh-apple-lightning-connector-how-do-i-love-thee-7000006843/" >www.zdnet.com/oh-apple-lightning&middot;&middot;&middot;0006843/</A><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_(connector)" >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_(connector)</A><br> </p></div>Yeah, the only "digital" feature it has is to have a version of DRM further tying you to Apple:<br><br>"Official Lightning connectors contain an authentication chip that makes it difficult for third-party manufacturers to produce compatible accessories without being "approved" by Apple"]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Count Zero posted : Btw every new apple iPhone and iPad and iPod that uses lightning comes with a lightning USB cable...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Count Zero posted : USB cables only drive USB devices at USB 2 speeds and at USB 2 power so it's not practical for all devices. It also won't charge these newer tablets (or oversized phones) very quickly so that's a negative. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Metatron2008 posted : When I got my 6 monitor eyefinity setup, I got a machine with usb 3 a type.  Can power external ssds at near sata 2 speeds (if they use usb 3), and are backwards compatible with all other usb devices (Although I notice a few issues, such as not being able to access bios if you hook up a keyboard to a usb 3 connection, the usb 3 devices only kick on when windows starts).<br><br>You say it's not economical, but all I have to get is a usb 3 cord IF a new device doesn't come with one.  If they had an apple like system I'd have to replace cables for EVERY USB DEVICE I OWN, OR GET AN ADAPTOR.  At $30 a pop.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Metatron2008 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1432075" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1432075');">Count Zero</a>:</said><p>By your logic lighting's USB cable has the same USB A connector as the old 30 pin..<br><br>And I guess you'll have to buy a bunch of extra cables when microusb 3.0 hits phones to get its advantages... Doesn't sound much more economical. <br> </p></div>Well the point of it being a standard is if you bought the new cables a company could not price gouge.<br><br>Plus older connections SHOULD be backwards compatible.  I supoose they could go with a different connection, but considering how many devices use the current, it would seem like suicide.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Metatron2008 posted : uh, no, the a-type is capable of the usb 3 speeds :\]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Count Zero posted : By your logic lighting's USB cable has the same USB A connector as the old 30 pin..<br><br>And I guess you'll have to buy a bunch of extra cables when microusb 3.0 hits phones to get its advantages... Doesn't sound much more economical. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Count Zero posted : Yes but the B side is required for the higher power and higher speeds. <br><br>AND USB 3.0 specification is limited to 4.5 W right now - though in the future it may go higher. We already know lightning can carry 12 W and Apple hasn't publicly stated its max. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Metatron2008 posted : Nice selective linking...<br><br>The usb a-type is backwards compatible with past uab connections.  The connector is for usb 3 but any past connector will work with usb 3 a type.<br><br>With so many connection a new standard for usb micro would be backwards compatible.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Count Zero posted : USB 3 and 2 are different standards you understand?<br><br>From a USB cable website: "The USB 3.0 Micro B connector is found on USB 3.0 devices. This connector is designed to carry data and power in USB SuperSpeed applications. . Cables with this connector are not backwards compatible with USB 2.0 or USB 1.1 devices."<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.cablestogo.com/resources/usb.asp" >www.cablestogo.com/resources/usb.asp</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Metatron2008 posted : usb 3 is backwards compatible with usb 2.  One of the advantages of a standard.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Count Zero posted : Well since its not likely to be compatible with the old micro USB stuff I will just laugh. How long has microusb been a cell phone standard? How long will it be? I'll wager Lightning way outlasts it in duration and capability and ultimately isn't as uneconomical as you pretend it is. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Coma posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1578597" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1578597');">Metatron2008</a>:</said><p> What will you guys do to defend your overpriced buying when that happens?<br> </p></div>               <br>Personally, I'll just sell a few shares of AAPL to maintain my fix.<br><br>:D<br>           <br><small>--<br><i>November is National Epilepsy Month</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Metatron2008 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1432075" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1432075');">Count Zero</a>:</said><p>Dude, they're not out to listen to logic. They're just upset that Apple does its own thing. Nano USB has the advantage of ubiquity, but it is a limited standards. Lightning is a future proof, highly capable, and very convenient interface Ã¢&#128;&#147; but unless android has it, they'll always find something to bitch about, even if it Apple were only charging $2...<br> </p></div>The thing about micro usb is that it is a standard.  Which means groups of people work on it, and compete to drive down prices.<br><br>So what happens when a new standard of micro usb comes out that supports more wattage and faster speeds?  What will you guys do to defend your overpriced buying when that happens?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Metatron2008 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/589128" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=589128');">dirtyjeffer</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1106849" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1106849');">Nezmo</a>:</said><p>And I already said they can charge more than $2, just not the silly prices you are apparently prepared to pay.<br> </p></div>if i go to a store to buy a charger for my device, they are all $20-$30...so, you pay $30 for a micro USB cable, or $30 for an Apple cable...the only difference is you won't be able to buy a  Lightning cable for $2 each off ebay...personally, i don't care...having worked in the industry, and seen the varying degrees of quality of items, i'd rather have something made to some sort of minimum standards to ensure my $700 device isn't damaged from some POS $2 cable.<br> </p></div>Excuse me?  You can get 5 star micro usb cables off amazon for $5.  Go to the site if you don't believe me.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Count Zero posted : Over the course of 8-10yrs of the standards use it will wind up being like 7-10 extra dollars per year to buy a handful of extra cables. It's just not really an issue. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[dirtyjeffer posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1106849" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1106849');">Nezmo</a>:</said><p>And I already said they can charge more than $2, just not the silly prices you are apparently prepared to pay.<br> </p></div>if i go to a store to buy a charger for my device, they are all $20-$30...so, you pay $30 for a micro USB cable, or $30 for an Apple cable...the only difference is you won't be able to buy a  Lightning cable for $2 each off ebay...personally, i don't care...having worked in the industry, and seen the varying degrees of quality of items, i'd rather have something made to some sort of minimum standards to ensure my $700 device isn't damaged from some POS $2 cable.<br><small>--<br>People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.<br><br>- George Orwell</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[dirtyjeffer posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1106849" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1106849');">Nezmo</a>:</said><p>So the physical construction of the new connector is better?  Is there data supporting that?<br> </p></div>it has nothing to do with the physical construction of it...the design on its own virtually eliminates those problems...it is one of the advantages of the Lightning connector.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Nezmo posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/589128" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=589128');">dirtyjeffer</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1106849" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1106849');">Nezmo</a>:</said><p>I have two Apple cables that have come apart at the plug (the cable sheathing has separated where it enters the plug).  I never pull a cord by the cable, only by the plug and when not in use I curl it up loosely and put it in a drawer.  Again, the premium Apple is charging is a gouge.  They can still set their products apart if they must by charging more than $2 but the money they want for their cables and adapters is rather sad.<br> </p></div>the previous connector was used for the last 9 years...a new connector was needed as it was too large for the new chassis...i highly doubt the issues you have seen with your old connector would happen with the Lightning connector...it is a much better connector (my iPad and nano use the old connector).<br> </p></div>So the physical construction of the new connector is better?  Is there data supporting that?<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.pbase.com/nezmo">My Gallery</a><br>Formerly Nezmo ;-)</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Nezmo posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1432075" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1432075');">Count Zero</a>:</said><p>... but unless android has it, they'll always find something to bitch about, even if it Apple were only charging $2...<br> </p></div>You generalize too much Sir.  I have never owned an Android device.  I am on my third iPhone personally and one of my sons has an iPhone and I bought my mother one.  I have an iPad 2 and I've lost count how many iPods I have or bought for others.<br><br>And I already said they can charge more than $2, just not the silly prices you are apparently prepared to pay.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.pbase.com/nezmo">My Gallery</a><br>Formerly Nezmo ;-)</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Count Zero posted : Dude, they're not out to listen to logic. They're just upset that Apple does its own thing. Nano USB has the advantage of ubiquity, but it is a limited standards. Lightning is a future proof, highly capable, and very convenient interface â&#128;&#147; but unless android has it, they'll always find something to bitch about, even if it Apple were only charging $2...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Count Zero posted : The nano USB standard only supports up to 9 W is what he means. What you push through Apple's connector is entirely up to whatever you're plugging into it, Apple does supply a 10 W charger with the iPad three and fourâ&#128;¦]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[dirtyjeffer posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1106849" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1106849');">Nezmo</a>:</said><p>I've yet to see details on exactly what this "smart" thing really offers other than being reversible.  I believe folks are simply falling for the hype.<br> </p></div>being reversible on its own is a great feature, but there are others.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.macgasm.net/2012/09/14/lightning-micro-us/" >www.macgasm.net/2012/09/14/light&middot;&middot;&middot;icro-us/</A><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://brockerhoff.net/blog/2012/09/13/boom-2/" >brockerhoff.net/blog/2012/09/13/boom-2/</A><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://brockerhoff.net/blog/2012/09/18/boom-a-follow-up/" >brockerhoff.net/blog/2012/09/18/&middot;&middot;&middot;llow-up/</A><br><small>--<br>People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.<br><br>- George Orwell</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[dirtyjeffer posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/205331" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=205331');">robbin</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/589128" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=589128');">dirtyjeffer</a>:</said><p> it is a "smart connector" </p></div>A smart connector would have some kind of "brain". I don't think this one does.  :(<br> </p></div>it does.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.zdnet.com/oh-apple-lightning-connector-how-do-i-love-thee-7000006843/" >www.zdnet.com/oh-apple-lightning&middot;&middot;&middot;0006843/</A><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_(connector)" >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_(connector)</A><br><small>--<br>People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.<br><br>- George Orwell</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[dirtyjeffer posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1106849" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1106849');">Nezmo</a>:</said><p>I have two Apple cables that have come apart at the plug (the cable sheathing has separated where it enters the plug).  I never pull a cord by the cable, only by the plug and when not in use I curl it up loosely and put it in a drawer.  Again, the premium Apple is charging is a gouge.  They can still set their products apart if they must by charging more than $2 but the money they want for their cables and adapters is rather sad.<br> </p></div>the previous connector was used for the last 9 years...a new connector was needed as it was too large for the new chassis...i highly doubt the issues you have seen with your old connector would happen with the Lightning connector...it is a much better connector (my iPad and nano use the old connector).<br><small>--<br>People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.<br><br>- George Orwell</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Metatron2008 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/589128" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=589128');">dirtyjeffer</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1106849" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1106849');">Nezmo</a>:</said><p>This is Apple arrogance at it's best.  Had Apple offered the adapters for a reasonable price I think there would be less frustration out there.<br> </p></div>i think $25 for a quality connector is reasonable...it isn't just a "connector", it is a "smart connector", that is reversible and completely digital (to allow alternative pinouts for various applications)...personally, having seen some of the $2 crap out there, i'm glad Apple doesn't allow cheap junk out there to ruin your devices...our work is littered with Blackberry and Android products with broken micro-usb connectors on them and it is a PITA and costly to continuously have them replaced/fixed...in fact, it is FAR more costly than a $25 quality connector.<br><br>in any event, if the $2 cable is that important to you, then don't buy an iPhone5...no one says you have to buy one.<br> </p></div>DIGITAL IS DIGITAL...  IT'S ALL 1S AND 0S...  YOU CAN'T GET A DIFFERENT DIGITAL CONNECTOR AND HAVE IT WORK DIFFERENTLY.<br><br>The only real differences would be speed and wattage.<br><br>I'm guessing you think the $200 monster hdmi cables they sell at bestbuy also make a huge difference?]]></description>
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