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oh LOOK

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The Billion Dollar Defferal Account. Part Deux

The continuing saga of the billion dollar deferral account (or the Billion dollars that disappeared).

Also see:
»The Billion Dollar Deferral Account

»Bell says HSPA+ deferral account will be 'future proof'

And now an update on our Billion Dollars:

CRTC Letter to Bell Canada:
»www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2012/lt121026.htm

... the Bell companies have turned up broadband service in 3 communities using digital subscriber line (DSL) technology and plan to turn up broadband service in 9 communities over the course of 2012 using wireless technology. This will result in broadband services being available in a total of 12 Commission-approved communities by the end of 2012, rather than in 49 communities as the Bell companies had originally forecasted.

The Commission also notes that the 31 July 2012 report indicates that the Bell companies do not plan to turn up broadband services to any of the other 100 Commission-approved communities during 2013. Further, the planned service-ready date for all of these remaining communities is 31 August 2014, corresponding with the end of the rollout period established in Telecom Decision 2010-637.

In light of the above, the Commission is concerned that there is a risk that the rollout will not be completed by the end of the rollout period. As a result, the Commission considers it necessary to modify the Bell companies’ reporting requirements in order to provide sufficient information for the Commission to effectively monitor their broadband rollout activities.


Also see:

Where's the rural broadband Bell? - CRTC wants answers for delays
»www.cartt.ca/news/14596/Cable-Te···ays.html

... Ironically, Bell at the time argued it was patently wrong for Rogers Communications to suggest that the CRTC can adopt a competitive bidding process for the rights to roll out broadband networks in Bell’s deferral account communities and not experience any further delays. Bell even launched action in the Federal Court of Canada against Rogers’ petition.

Telus agreed with Bell that the petition would introduce additional delays in rolling out broadband to deferral account communities and would reopen a debate twice rejected by the CRTC and then again by Cabinet.

Some 16 months later the Commission in its October 26 letter to Bell Canada and Bell Aliant now says its “concerned” that Bell’s forecast to rollout broadband services using wireless technology to a total of 112 communities by August 31, 2014 will not be completed on time. Bell’s companies had planned to roll out service to 15 communities in 2011, 34 communities in 2012, 37 communities in 2013, and 26 communities in 2014.

The Commission noted that Bell’s last update on July 31, 2012 indicated that the Bell companies have turned up broadband service in only three communities using digital subscriber line (DSL) technology and plans to turn up broadband service in nine communities over the course of 2012 using wireless technology. This will result in broadband services being available in a total of 12 Commission-approved communities by the end of 2012, rather than in 49 communities as the Bell companies had originally forecasted.

...

The Commission indicated that if it “continues to be concerned by the pace of the rollout activities, it will consider initiating a proceeding to determine whether stricter timelines need to be imposed, and what consequences (such as reapplying interest charges) could be made to apply if the rollout is not completed by the established timelines.”


Hmm, Maybe the title of this topic should be:
How to lie to both the CRTC and federal cabinet to steal half a billion dollars? What do you think?

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said by oh LOOK :

Hmm, Maybe the title of this topic should be:
How to lie to both the CRTC and federal cabinet to steal half a billion dollars? What do you think?

Sounds about right to me.


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said by MaynardKrebs:

Sounds about right to me.

No kidding...

I'd like to see them impose a timeline/bounty system actually where you only gets your cash when it's lit up.
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I heard Bernie Madoff is a special adviser to Bell on this account on a quid pro quo basis whereas Bell sends cigarettes and condoms to Bernie's commissary account.


hm

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said by El Quintron:

I'd like to see them impose a timeline/bounty system actually where you only gets your cash when it's lit up.

I'd like to see the CRTC reclaim the balance of the billion dollars and tender/auction rural broadband off to those who will actually complete it instead of lying and lining their pockets. This is in addition to a fine the Bell Canada should be made to pay for doing nothing.

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said by oh LOOK :

Hmm, Maybe the title of this topic should be:
How to lie to both the CRTC and federal cabinet to steal half a billion dollars? What do you think?

Giving false testimony/evidence to the CRTC should be a criminal matter, for it most often results in a financial fraud perpetrated on the Canadian people. It should be subject to extra harsh penalties (mandatory minimums anyone?).

In the USA there is The Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, commonly referred to as the RICO Act or simply RICO. It is a United States federal law that provides for extended criminal penalties and a civil cause of action for acts performed as part of an ongoing criminal organization. The RICO Act focuses specifically on racketeering, and it allows for the leaders of a syndicate to be tried for the crimes which they ordered others to do or assisted them, closing a perceived loophole that allowed someone who told a man to, for example, murder lie to Congress or some federal or other body for fraudulent purposes, to be exempt from the trial because he did not actually do it.

In Canada there are a number of laws which, collectively, have the same net effect as RICO in the USA.

For example, a serially lying incumbent committing financial fraud via false testimony/evidence fits the definition precisely. hose doing the testifying, as well as their superiors, should be subject to penalties under Canada's statutes.

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I've said this before:
»Re: Bell Canada's financials and UBB
What *is* galling about this is that Bell and all its officers have a legal responsibility to provide accurate information to the investing public (via the analysts) during these conference calls. There are financial and possible criminal sanctions for not doing so.

Yet these same cretins can stand before the CRTC and spout falsehood after falsehood without repercussions, or if there are possible repercussions that they are never enforced.

It's high time for all testimony before the CRTC to be sworn under oath, with severe penalties for false/misleading statements.

1) Corporate Death Penalty - ignore a CRTC ruling once, get fined $1mm/DAY; ignore the same or another ruling twice, get fined $10MM/DAY retroactive to the date of the first ruling; ignore a new or the same ruling a third time, the corporation's charter is cancelled and corporation is placed in receivership - shareholder's equity wiped out, corporation executives & directors placed on trial for contempt/fraud with all penalties payable personally.

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I also suggested a letter-writing campaign to the CRTC of something similar to the following:
»An Open Letter to the CRTC

In prior hearings and submissions by Bell regarding throttling, usage-based billing, net neutrality, and equal speed access, the citizens of Canada and the CRTC have been treated with misinformation, false information, incomplete information, innudendo, false characterization, and contempt by Bell.

Canadians are tired of corporate interests running roughshod over a process which DEMANDS complete disclosure to ensure that decisions are not made in a vacuum with a paucity of facts or indeed alleged facts; that those decisions are made with the interests of adequate competition in Canada; and that the companies making representations before the Commission are prepared to do so in all honesty, without shading the facts, and under the potential penalty of perjury and massive financial penalties for presenting false or misleading information.

Decisions made by the CRTC in the ADSL-CO matter will colour the telecommunications landscape in Canada for years and may well drive independent ISP's out of business. It is for this reason that all testimony before the Commission be made as reliable as it can be.

In the interests of propriety in this matter and to ensure that the CRTC does not fall into further disrepute, I respectfully request that the CRTC require all participants in the upcoming ADSL-CO hearings to give their testimony and all written submissions under oath.

Signed: ( your name here )

cc: Your MP's name here

cc: The editorial departments of
The Toronto Star
The Globe & Mail
The National Post
Montreal Gazette
Ottawa Citizen
etc.....


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said by hm :

I'd like to see the CRTC reclaim the balance of the billion dollars and tender/auction rural broadband off to those who will actually complete it instead of lying and lining their pockets. This is in addition to a fine the Bell Canada should be made to pay for doing nothing.

Agreed. The whole system should've gone into play like a bounty system... you hook up "x" amount of houses you get "y" dollars in funding.
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Bell has gotten some (too many) contracts here at my work (government). Almost consistently, Bell's sales staff has the habit of promising things their tech staff have no idea how to do. So it always costs more and takes longer while their tech staff figure what they're doing. It sounds like that's what's happening here.

I was closely involved in one project that went that way. I was pretty pissed at their tech staff at first, 'cause they kept saying they couldn't do stuff that we were told was going to be done. Then when we got talking we realized their sales staff had promised the world - and put the world in the contract - without ever talking to their tech team. Then they just handed the tech team the contract and said "here, this is what we promised".

I hate Bell.


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said by cybersaga:

Then they just handed the tech team the contract and said "here, this is what we promised".

I hate Bell.

I don't blame you for hating Bell at all... have you ever fired them with penalties for breaching their contracts?
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I'm not in a position to do that. I'm just one of the tech guys on our side. I wish though!

A few years ago they lost the contract for our network support, which they had previous to that. They were just subcontracting out all of the work, so it's no surprise there were going to be cheaper bids.

Bell subcontracts a lot of work, which I think just perpetuates the lack of communication. In that relatively small project I was involved in, there were two other companies involved subcontracted to do the work. Only the business analysts were actually Bell staff (I referred to them as the "tech team" before; they knew how their system worked, they just didn't do the work).

Bell just got another, big contract for voicemail support, which I hope they crash and burn on. We're actually going to get worse support (longer SLAs and more expensive to the end users) than we had before on our internally managed Octel system (which was ancient, mind you - still had to dial in to the system with a modem to make any changes). Staff will go from getting voicemail password resets in 2 minutes for free (using an automated system I built) to getting them in probably 2 days and at a cost. I really hope whoever decided to give Bell the contract gets slapped with a wet noodle.

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said by cybersaga:

Bell has gotten some (too many) contracts here at my work (government). Almost consistently, Bell's sales staff has the habit of promising things their tech staff have no idea how to do. So it always costs more and takes longer while their tech staff figure what they're doing. It sounds like that's what's happening here.

I was closely involved in one project that went that way. I was pretty pissed at their tech staff at first, 'cause they kept saying they couldn't do stuff that we were told was going to be done. Then when we got talking we realized their sales staff had promised the world - and put the world in the contract - without ever talking to their tech team. Then they just handed the tech team the contract and said "here, this is what we promised".

I hate Bell.

Q: How do you know when an Bell salesman is lying?
A: When his mouth is moving.

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There are two lions in the zoo. One says "You know, I am completely fed up with being here. Tomorrow, I intend to make my escape. The other says "I agree. I shall do the same". The following day at feeding time, they overpower their keeper, leap out of the cage, and run into the park outside the zoo. As they part, the first lion calls "Let's meet in six months' time. We'll come back to this park, and tell each other how we got on". Then they go their separate ways.

Six months later, as arranged, they meet.

The first lion says "Well, here we are. But say, what happened to you??? Your fur is falling out, you've got a torn ear and scratches everywhere, you're terribly thin - you look terrible".

The second lion replies "When I left the park, I ran towards the centre of town. There are a lot of butchers' shops there, and I thought I'd easily be able to overpower the staff and drag off a joints of meat. So I ran into one of the shops, but the owner called the police, and they called the army, with lots of men with nets and guns, and I only just got away. I managed to hide in the woods outside town, and since then, I've been living a miserable existence eating berries and the occasional rabbit when I can catch it, and I think it would be better to go back to the zoo. But say, you look as though you're OK. Youre fur is sleek and glossy, you're well-fed - what happened?

And the first lion says "You know there's corporate campus over at the other side of town. It's full of bushes and shrubs, and I decided to run over there and use it as my hideout. Well, there's a Bell office there. So I've been hiding out in the bushes, and I just eat an Bell manager each day. It's great. There's an endless supply, and no-one notices when one's gone.


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said by MaynardKrebs:

Q: How do you know when an Bell salesman is lying?
A: When his mouth is moving.

[coffee spewed]



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The whole thing about the Lions was priceless... there are a bunch of Clients in the office right now and I'm about to bust a gut laughing.
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Three women were our for lunch together and their conversation eventually turned to talk of their sex lives.

1st woman: "My boyfriend is French. He's always so attentive to my needs. He caresses me, and makes love with a gentleness that sends me over the edge every time."

2nd woman: "My boyfriend is Italian. Our lovemaking is rough and tumble, filled with energy and he exhausts every ounce of energy from me every time. It is wonderful."

3rd Woman: "My boyfriend is a Bell salesman. We never have sex. All he ever does is sit at the end of the bed and tell me how good it's going to be."


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said by cybersaga:

So it always costs more and takes longer while their tech staff figure what they're doing. It sounds like that's what's happening here.

You see, here in Quebec there is a whole construction and mafia industry tied to politicians who skim money from the tax payer to line their pockets by cost over-runs (as you may well know with the corruption hearings going on).

You make it sounds about the same.