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Count Zero
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Re: Apple now has a Lightning to Micro USB Cable

USB cables only drive USB devices at USB 2 speeds and at USB 2 power so it's not practical for all devices. It also won't charge these newer tablets (or oversized phones) very quickly so that's a negative.

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said by Count Zero:

USB cables only drive USB devices at USB 2 speeds and at USB 2 power so it's not practical for all devices. It also won't charge these newer tablets (or oversized phones) very quickly so that's a negative.

So you have to wait 10 more minutes to use your device, patience is a virtue.

Count Zero
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10 minutes? Hardly. From a full discharged tablet probably several additional hours.

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said by Count Zero:

10 minutes? Hardly. From a full discharged tablet probably several additional hours.

Given that the Apple charger uses a USB port to charge I have to say it has more to do with the device and charger than the connection standard.

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In case you're unaware these standards define maximum power as well.

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said by Count Zero:

In case you're unaware these standards define maximum power as well.

Yes and no, Smart USB chargers can output 5V 2.1A. The standard applies more to PC connections rather than charging solutions.

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I think it applies to any application with data throughput. PCs and functional accessories.

dirtyjeffer0
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with all this talk of USB-a, USB-b, this power, that power, backwards compatible, not backwards compatible...some "standard".

Lightning, it just works.

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said by dirtyjeffer0:

with all this talk of USB-a, USB-b, this power, that power, backwards compatible, not backwards compatible...some "standard".

Lightning, it just works.

That's the benefit when you have iron control over your ecosystem and only three devices to support, not hundreds (the downside).

dirtyjeffer0
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nothing wrong with control...it means you don't end up with varying levels of quality items out there...some good stuff, likely lots of crap...when there is a standard that must be adhered to, it levels the playing field...if i were Apple, and i had a very large brand to protect, i would want to ensure some $2 crappy cable didn't ruin one of my customer's purchases.

you have to remember, Apple does things differently...they don't just sell you a device, they sell you an experience...any of those other devices, you simply buy it, and figure it out on your own...with an Apple product, you can go to an Apple store, sit in on a seminar to learn how to use it, get some one-on-one time with a "Genius" to provide some custom assistance focused on what you need...nobody else (currently) does that...you give them your money, and the transaction is done...it is this "extra" that has helped Apple separate itself as "just another" tablet or smartphone manufacturer.

some people are willing to pay a little more that, some aren't...their products are well made, they work great and you can get that "little extra" if you need it...sure it costs a bit more, but it was never Apple's intent to win a race to the bottom.

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said by dirtyjeffer0:

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you have to remember, Apple does things differently...they don't just sell you a device, they sell you an experience...any of those other devices, you simply buy it, and figure it out on your own...with an Apple product, you can go to an Apple store, sit in on a seminar to learn how to use it, get some one-on-one time with a "Genius" to provide some custom assistance focused on what you need...nobody else (currently) does that...you give them your money, and the transaction is done...it is this "extra" that has helped Apple separate itself as "just another" tablet or smartphone manufacturer.

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How romantic and cute. I like my iPhone and iPad but I can't get emotionally attached to them as many do. Experience? It's an electronic device . I concede. I don't think I'm on the same plane as those that are so emotionally tied to Apple and thus I will likely never understand and any further discussion from me is probably worthless.

It was interesting earlier that because I was saying something negative about Apple I was branded an Android fan. That says it all really.

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said by Nezmo:

How romantic and cute. I like my iPhone and iPad but I can't get emotionally attached to them as many do. Experience? It's an electronic device .

you are not understand my point...i'm not talking about romance or emotional attachment to a brand...i am talking about "Customer Experience"...while plenty of people (many of whom i work with) are fine to grab an android device, sideload all kinds of different OSs and do all kinds of funky things with them, they are the exception, not the norm...many people just want it to work and do what the bought it for (phone, email, messaging, web, apps)...in that respect every device works quite well, but Apple does have that extra service available, should that be of interest to you.

case in point, several people i work with drive Lexus vehicles...are the Lexus vehicles really that much better than their Toyota (or other brand) equivalents?...debatable, but probably not...however, they drop their vehicles off for service/maintenance, get a Lexus loaner for the day and continue on business as usual, rather than get dropped off in a courtesy vehicle and be without wheels for the day...the Lexus dealership has a much higher level of service, and really, isn't that much more money to get your work done at...they don't do $9.99 Oil Changes, or $79 brake jobs...they do have competitive prices on what they do, but their niche is service, so for a little more than what most places charge, you get a much higher level of service...that is the Customer Experience, and many companies are following that business model, rather than a race to the bottom.

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Service has it's time and place, but again many people are not willing to pay the premium involved for such a thing, and only a handful who do utilize said service.

Your quote is a misquote by the way, there is no evidence that Orwell actually said it. He has similar thoughts in his writings on nationalism and Rudyard Kipling, but no direct quotes. The closest is Churchill saying, "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm."

dirtyjeffer0
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said by sk1939:

Service has it's time and place, but again many people are not willing to pay the premium involved for such a thing, and only a handful who do utilize said service.

i would tend to disagree, considering the number of products Apple sells...as well, the few times i have been to their store, it is always jam packed with people getting instructions on things or attending one of their seminars (which they do several a day on).

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said by dirtyjeffer0:

said by sk1939:

Service has it's time and place, but again many people are not willing to pay the premium involved for such a thing, and only a handful who do utilize said service.

i would tend to disagree, considering the number of products Apple sells...as well, the few times i have been to their store, it is always jam packed with people getting instructions on things or attending one of their seminars (which they do several a day on).

Must be a locale thing, down here its mostly window shoppers and people purchasing. Seminars are usually attended by older people who drive their Prii to get there.

dirtyjeffer0
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our store is a mixed bag...teens window shopping, young adults buying, older people looking/buying...plenty of people taking the seminars, but not usually the "youngins".