Topic 'Re: where do I get my winter tired put on?' in forum 'Canadian Chat' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27693086 en Tue, 21 May 2013 19:06:29 EDT Tue, 21 May 2013 19:06:29 EDT Re: where do I get my winter tired put on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27705563
one thing i was told is to be sure the models are identical...for example, make sure the premium tire shop wasn't selling you Goodyear Eagle RS-A tires and Wal-Mart was selling Goodyear Eagle RS-T tires, but if they have the same name, they are the same tires.

i was also told to always view the three important "specs" on a tire...Speed Rating...Load Rating...UTQG code...that will also help you match them up if you are still unsure (obviously, the tires need to be the same make/model/size as well).
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- George Orwell]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27705563 Wed, 07 Nov 2012 21:37:45 EDT Re: where do I get my winter tired put on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27705524 said by peterboro:

said by dirtyjeffer:

that depends on what the wheels are made of...

And whether they have a clear coat.

yes...it seems more of today's rims are coated to help prevent salt cancer.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27705524 Wed, 07 Nov 2012 21:26:19 EDT Re: where do I get my winter tired put on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27704050 said by dirtyjeffer:

that depends on what the wheels are made of...

And whether they have a clear coat.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27704050 Wed, 07 Nov 2012 14:29:11 EDT Re: where do I get my winter tired put on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27703681 said by TOPDAWG:

said by donoreo:

said by TOPDAWG:

After reading this thread I went ahead and had my tires done. I just did them at wal-mart went up there to make appt and dude said they can do it at 11 today so just had it done. Was 20 bucks because they were already on rams.

How well do goats take tires?

Do what now?

Rams :)
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said by donoreo:

How well do goats take tires?

If a proper backpack sling is used, they can take 4 quite easily. If they are just stacked on their back, they fall off a lot.

said by TOPDAWG:

I just did them at wal-mart went up there to make appt and dude said they can do it at 11 today so just had it done.

A small word of warning: I changed 5 cars of tires on the weekend, and my brother's gf had had new tires put on her car at WalMart over the summer. We had to use a breaker bar with a 4' handle extension to get the lug nuts to loosen. If she had had a flat, there was NO way she would have been able to get them off -- hell, a tow truck driver would have struggled with them if she had called roadside assistance. I guess they set their impact guns to "kill" when they put them on (we used a torque wrench so that they weren't too tight).

You might want to dig out your tire iron and try one, in case you need to go back and have them re-do the lug nuts at a lower torque setting. It could just be the WalMart bro's gf went to, but I thought I'd pass it along.

OH I know wal-mart can suck. Fuckers snipped off a blot once they paid to have it fixed. The goofy old dude working the counter said it's not our doing. My ass you the shits who broke it. I just called the area manger they paid for it no issue. The girl working I know is good so I do it when I see her there.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27703634 Wed, 07 Nov 2012 12:55:28 EDT Re: where do I get my winter tired put on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27703628 said by donoreo:

How well do goats take tires?

If a proper backpack sling is used, they can take 4 quite easily. If they are just stacked on their back, they fall off a lot.

said by TOPDAWG:

I just did them at wal-mart went up there to make appt and dude said they can do it at 11 today so just had it done.

A small word of warning: I changed 5 cars of tires on the weekend, and my brother's gf had had new tires put on her car at WalMart over the summer. We had to use a breaker bar with a 4' handle extension to get the lug nuts to loosen. If she had had a flat, there was NO way she would have been able to get them off -- hell, a tow truck driver would have struggled with them if she had called roadside assistance. I guess they set their impact guns to "kill" when they put them on (we used a torque wrench so that they weren't too tight).

You might want to dig out your tire iron and try one, in case you need to go back and have them re-do the lug nuts at a lower torque setting. It could just be the WalMart bro's gf went to, but I thought I'd pass it along.
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said by TOPDAWG:

After reading this thread I went ahead and had my tires done. I just did them at wal-mart went up there to make appt and dude said they can do it at 11 today so just had it done. Was 20 bucks because they were already on rams.

How well do goats take tires?

Do what now?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27703625 Wed, 07 Nov 2012 12:51:18 EDT Re: where do I get my winter tired put on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27703585 said by TOPDAWG:

After reading this thread I went ahead and had my tires done. I just did them at wal-mart went up there to make appt and dude said they can do it at 11 today so just had it done. Was 20 bucks because they were already on rams.

How well do goats take tires? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27703585 Wed, 07 Nov 2012 12:39:17 EDT Re: where do I get my winter tired put on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27703576 said by Bob Anderson:

And contrary to popular belief salt has no effect on the alloys. I used alloy rims for 8 winters on my previous 2001 GT and they looked brand new when I traded it in for my current 2010.

-Bob

that depends on what the wheels are made of...aluminum alloys rims certainly can get "salt cancer"...my previous Ford Taurus had it, to the point a couple of the wheels had slow rim leaks because of it.

personally, i just prefer steelies in the winter...if i rub up against a curb and ruin one, it's $35 instead of $100-$200 for an alloy rim.
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- George Orwell]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27703576 Wed, 07 Nov 2012 12:35:11 EDT Re: where do I get my winter tired put on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27703552 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27703552 Wed, 07 Nov 2012 12:31:08 EDT Re: where do I get my winter tired put on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27703526 said by Bob Anderson:

2010 Mustang GT. I'd buy a set of 18 inch steel rims for winter if I could find them but I have searched numerous times with no luck. They would have to be the proper width also; I won't go narrower. I hate the look of smaller diameter rims that most other GT owners put on for winter. And contrary to popular belief salt has no effect on the alloys. I used alloy rims for 8 winters on my previous 2001 GT and they looked brand new when I traded it in for my current 2010.

-Bob

Hrm, I know the Fusions had 18" alloys as an option, though I'm not 100% sure as to the width. I know the Mustang Bullits I'm using on my Fusion are 17 x 8 and they fit fine, but I'm not 100% sure if the Fusion 18's are 7.5 or 8. The 18's were available on the Fusion SAP 1st gen and the Fusion 2nd gen (all models) and you might be able to find a used set now for winter use.

Good luck.

NefCanuck]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27703526 Wed, 07 Nov 2012 12:25:39 EDT Re: where do I get my winter tired put on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27703089 said by Bob Anderson:

2010 Mustang GT. I'd buy a set of 18 inch steel rims for winter if I could find them but I have searched numerous times with no luck. They would have to be the proper width also; I won't go narrower. I hate the look of smaller diameter rims that most other GT owners put on for winter. And contrary to popular belief salt has no effect on the alloys. I used alloy rims for 8 winters on my previous 2001 GT and they looked brand new when I traded it in for my current 2010.

-Bob

Did you try Costco for steel rims?

»www.costco.ca/Steel-Wheels.produ···256.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27703089 Wed, 07 Nov 2012 10:47:24 EDT Re: where do I get my winter tired put on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27702465
-Bob]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27702465 Wed, 07 Nov 2012 07:01:48 EDT Re: where do I get my winter tired put on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27700452 said by Bob Anderson:

I took my car in for winter tire changeover today. I only have one set of alloy rims because no one makes 18 inch steel rims for winter for my mustang GT and I refuse to go a lesser diameter wheel and thus have to buy another set of 4 winter tires. I store my tires at the Frisby tire shop because I have no storage space at home. I think it costs me about $300 per year for storage, demounting and mounting and balancing for winter and summer changeovers. My tires are very expensive Pirelli P Zero Nero and Hankook Ice Bear.

-Bob

Question, what year is your Mustang? I ask because Fusion rims from 2005 to 2012 will fit those MY Mustangs (I know this b/c I have Mustang rims for summer tires on my 2008 Fusion :D)

NefCanuck]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27700452 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 16:47:19 EDT Re: where do I get my winter tired put on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27697866 said by mr weather:

I did the same with my car yesterday (running on Bridgestone Blizzak WS-60's, OMG what an awesome tire!) I'll do the swap-out on Mrs. Weather's minivan next weekend.

The weather this week will be in the single digits which is just about when the traction on the shitty Goodyear Eagle RS-A's on my Pontiac G8 goes to about nil. :p

yea, i have WS70s for my Rio5 and the Elantra Touring has a set of X-Ice IIs (which may be on their last year, despite having a decent amount of tread left)...if the WS70s last as long as these X-IceIIs have held up, i'll be happy.
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Speaking from experience i can comment there is a difference on road hazard warranty on OEM vs aftermarket of the same tire.

that likely has to do with the auto manufacturer...when you buy a new car, your tire's warranty is from the auto company, not the tire company...it is quite possible the auto company chooses less warranty for a price break.
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- George Orwell]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27697860 Mon, 05 Nov 2012 23:46:24 EDT Re: where do I get my winter tired put on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27697522 said by dirtyjeffer:

we put our tires on a little earlier this year (this past weekend)...

I did the same with my car yesterday (running on Bridgestone Blizzak WS-60's, OMG what an awesome tire!) I'll do the swap-out on Mrs. Weather's minivan next weekend.

The weather this week will be in the single digits which is just about when the traction on the shitty Goodyear Eagle RS-A's on my Pontiac G8 goes to about nil. :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27697522 Mon, 05 Nov 2012 21:43:49 EDT Re: where do I get my winter tired put on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27697520 said by Kardinal:

said by urbanriot:

... except you seem to trying to provide a 'helpful tip' when there isn't one to provide. Costco's Michelin - Energy 132 MXV4 S8 will be the same as everyone else's Michelin - Energy 32 MXV4 S8. It obviously won't be the same as Michelin - Pilot MXM4.

No, I'm actually comparing a MXV4-S8 sold on a new car to one that is sold by a tire company as a replacement tire and saying they likely *won't* be the same. They'll have the same pattern, but will be made with a different rubber compound with a different wear rating (as noted upthread by fast4ward See Profile). If the one from a dealer is rated for 40k km, while the aftermarket one is 75k km, is that the same tire? The ones on new cars are often optimized for fuel economy to help the car reach the EPA ratings in real world conditions, but that can be at the expense of handling characteristics or tread life because it's what the manufacturer's want (ie/ "the new car gets great gas mileage!" not "my car's tires are three years old have 70k km on them, and they're still good").

I was trying to provide information I've acquired through conversations with people who work in the industry that the tires with the same name can be and are often different depending on if they are for use on new car delivery or aftermarket retail, and a social forum of non-industry people have chosen not to believe me based on their own opinions on the subject. I'm fine with that. :D

Speaking from experience i can comment there is a difference on road hazard warranty on OEM vs aftermarket of the same tire.
But concerning wear if OEM lasts 40 K vs after market of the same model tire lasts 70 K that translates to the original equipment tires are made with softer compound and that would result in lower fuel economy due to extra friction. That's reverse of your argument on a new car delivering EPA rating isn't it ? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27697520 Mon, 05 Nov 2012 21:43:21 EDT Re: where do I get my winter tired put on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27697449 --
It's one thing to listen to an idiot talk. As soon as you respond, there are now 2 idiots having a conversation.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27697449 Mon, 05 Nov 2012 21:17:56 EDT Re: where do I get my winter tired put on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27697435 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27697435 Mon, 05 Nov 2012 21:11:20 EDT Re: where do I get my winter tired put on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27697429 said by peterboro:

The best driver in the world cannot overcome the law of physics.

The only time that's ever been an issue for me is when a highway near me flash froze at 2:30 AM maybe 20 years ago and cars were hurtling in all directions and no snow tires were slowing anyone down. It was a surreal, bizarre experience to watch people jumping out of cars and other cars sliding in their direction and into other cars.

In that situation, even the best snow tires in the world would have overcome the law of physics.

Snow's always been my nemesis, ice not so much. Fortunately I live in an area that has one crappy week out of a year and Gone gets the worst of it. I think Tobermory might top what he gets. Lake effect snow is a bitch. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27697429 Mon, 05 Nov 2012 21:10:47 EDT Re: where do I get my winter tired put on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27697393
End of November is about right for winter tires in the banana belt.
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Oh, yea, I hadn't even factored driving ability into that. What's right for me is obviously not right for everyone else so I suppose the temperature might be important to other people... good call.

Im in Montreal but the weather will be in the 15c next week so that's why i wanted to wait.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27697225 Mon, 05 Nov 2012 19:58:06 EDT Re: where do I get my winter tired put on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27696976
in my case, all seasons may not have made too much of a difference, but it is possible i may have been less able to steer slightly to avoid hitting the trailer hitch, which means the damage to my car (and possibly the truck) would likely have been significantly more (expensive)...that said, i never thought winter tires were that big of a deal, until i bought my first set...they are hands down 10x better than all seasons, period...of course, this is assuming a good set of winter tires...i'm sure there are crappy winter tires out there.
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said by peterboro:

The best driver in the world cannot overcome the law of physics. Winter tire compounds reduce stopping distances. I believe we had a thread last year where our resident Hyundia/Kia proponent rear ended someone in his brand new car even with winters but the amount of damage and injury was reduced.

there was zero injury, and while the damage looked minimal, it was still rather costly...at least it was still drivable.

The injury was completely negated then other than your bruised ego. Hypothetical results with all seasons?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27696937 Mon, 05 Nov 2012 18:38:50 EDT Re: where do I get my winter tired put on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27696929 said by peterboro:

The best driver in the world cannot overcome the law of physics. Winter tire compounds reduce stopping distances. I believe we had a thread last year where our resident Hyundia/Kia proponent rear ended someone in his brand new car even with winters but the amount of damage and injury was reduced.

there was zero injury, and while the damage looked minimal, it was still rather costly...at least it was still drivable.
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Posting like asked ,

I wanted to install my brand new winter tire but i saw that weather in the upper teens are for the next week , would it be better to wait ?

Like I posted to another member who obviously didn't comprehend me it is not just snow but temps that are a concern. If you are not out at night when temps could get below 0 (it was -8 here last night) then hold off.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27696641 Mon, 05 Nov 2012 17:16:51 EDT Re: where do I get my winter tired put on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27696390 said by dsa :

I wanted to install my brand new winter tire but i saw that weather in the upper teens are for the next week , would it be better to wait ?

Depends on your location and its weather history...

Last year I didn't even bother installing them because where I am in southern Ontario, we hardly had any questionable weather.

This year I'm simply going to wait until we're about to get some questionable weather and I'll have them installed at the last minute, probably near the end of December.

At the end of the day it's up to you and how safe you'll feel and how much cash you have. I try to maximize as many years as I can out of my tires because I'm a cheapskate. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27696390 Mon, 05 Nov 2012 16:20:00 EDT Re: where do I get my winter tired put on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27696293
I wanted to install my brand new winter tire but i saw that weather in the upper teens are for the next week , would it be better to wait ?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27696293 Mon, 05 Nov 2012 16:05:58 EDT Re: where do I get my winter tired put on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27696249 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27696249 Mon, 05 Nov 2012 15:51:45 EDT Re: where do I get my winter tired put on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27696233 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27696233 Mon, 05 Nov 2012 15:48:10 EDT Re: where do I get my winter tired put on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27696148 said by Kardinal:

said by urbanriot:

... except you seem to trying to provide a 'helpful tip' when there isn't one to provide. Costco's Michelin - Energy 132 MXV4 S8 will be the same as everyone else's Michelin - Energy 32 MXV4 S8. It obviously won't be the same as Michelin - Pilot MXM4.

No, I'm actually comparing a MXV4-S8 sold on a new car to one that is sold by a tire company as a replacement tire and saying they likely *won't* be the same. They'll have the same pattern, but will be made with a different rubber compound with a different wear rating (as noted upthread by fast4ward See Profile). If the one from a dealer is rated for 40k km, while the aftermarket one is 75k km, is that the same tire? The ones on new cars are often optimized for fuel economy to help the car reach the EPA ratings in real world conditions, but that can be at the expense of handling characteristics or tread life because it's what the manufacturer's want (ie/ "the new car gets great gas mileage!" not "my car's tires are three years old have 70k km on them, and they're still good").

I was trying to provide information I've acquired through conversations with people who work in the industry that the tires with the same name can be and are often different depending on if they are for use on new car delivery or aftermarket retail, and a social forum of non-industry people have chosen not to believe me based on their own opinions on the subject. I'm fine with that. :D

OK coincidentally I have a set of MXV4 S8 on our Jetta
These were what came on the car when new, but I told them it had to be these tires when I bought it. other wise they could keep the car

sidewall says:
treadwear rating is 440
temperature A
traction A

What do yours say ?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27696148 Mon, 05 Nov 2012 15:26:57 EDT Re: where do I get my winter tired put on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27696069 said by Kardinal:

I was trying to provide information I've acquired through conversations with people who work in the industry that the tires with the same name can be and are often different depending on if they are for use on new car delivery or aftermarket retail, and a social forum of non-industry people have chosen not to believe me based on their own opinions on the subject. I'm fine with that.

I've asked people that work in the industry about what you've brought up here and the answer, coupled with a chuckle, was "that's a load of horse shit". I reiterated my question and the response was "where the fuck do you think we all get our tires from?"

You bring up a good point about non-industry people on social forums, so I'll defer to those I know that work in the industry and all around common sense. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27696069 Mon, 05 Nov 2012 15:06:40 EDT Re: where do I get my winter tired put on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27695956 --
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- George Orwell]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27695956 Mon, 05 Nov 2012 14:40:03 EDT Re: where do I get my winter tired put on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27695938 said by urbanriot:

... except you seem to trying to provide a 'helpful tip' when there isn't one to provide. Costco's Michelin - Energy 132 MXV4 S8 will be the same as everyone else's Michelin - Energy 32 MXV4 S8. It obviously won't be the same as Michelin - Pilot MXM4.

No, I'm actually comparing a MXV4-S8 sold on a new car to one that is sold by a tire company as a replacement tire and saying they likely *won't* be the same. They'll have the same pattern, but will be made with a different rubber compound with a different wear rating (as noted upthread by fast4ward See Profile). If the one from a dealer is rated for 40k km, while the aftermarket one is 75k km, is that the same tire? The ones on new cars are often optimized for fuel economy to help the car reach the EPA ratings in real world conditions, but that can be at the expense of handling characteristics or tread life because it's what the manufacturer's want (ie/ "the new car gets great gas mileage!" not "my car's tires are three years old have 70k km on them, and they're still good").

I was trying to provide information I've acquired through conversations with people who work in the industry that the tires with the same name can be and are often different depending on if they are for use on new car delivery or aftermarket retail, and a social forum of non-industry people have chosen not to believe me based on their own opinions on the subject. I'm fine with that. :D
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Izzat clearer now?

Yes, it seemed too obvious that you'd be pointing out what's too obvious. "Tire Model 1234 from Company ABC is not the same as Tire Model 564 from Company ABC or Model 239845 from Company XYZ"

... except you seem to trying to provide a 'helpful tip' when there isn't one to provide. Costco's Michelin - Energy 132 MXV4 S8 will be the same as everyone else's Michelin - Energy 32 MXV4 S8. It obviously won't be the same as Michelin - Pilot MXM4. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27695786 Mon, 05 Nov 2012 14:09:56 EDT Re: where do I get my winter tired put on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27695781 said by Kardinal:

Tire manufacturers make more than one version of a given model, with different compounds which result in different wear / mileage / handling characteristics. Goodyear / Michelin / Firestone / whatever, and build a version specifically for new cars that the manufacturers use.

Considering they make thousands of tires and deal with numerous auto manufacturers that doesn't sound like a realistic scenario from an economic standpoint for manufactures to have different tires to save a few bucks per tire. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27695781 Mon, 05 Nov 2012 14:08:52 EDT Re: where do I get my winter tired put on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27695661 said by Kardinal:

Izzat clearer now?

i interpreted exactly what you mentioned, and i don't think that is correct.

i will confirm when i get a reply about the Goodyear ones, but a Michelin tire with whatever name is on it (Primacy, Alpin, Defender, etc) is exactly the same regardless of where it comes from...it is possible there could be a "manufacturer exclusive", but they don't make different versions of their tires with the same name...so, if your car came with Michelin Defenders, the Defenders purchased from the dealership, Costco, Wal-Mart or OK Tire are all identical...as i said before, it is possible your Honda car may come with (example) a set of Michelin TourForce tires, which are only available through the dealer as they are the models the manufacturer put on (the tires made specifically for that car based on Honda's requirements)...but if Michelin TourForce tires were purchased anywhere else, they too would be identical...there is no "low quality Defender" tires or "premium quality Defender" tires...i am pretty sure companies like Bridgestone and Goodyear are the same.
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- George Orwell]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27695636 Mon, 05 Nov 2012 13:32:57 EDT Re: where do I get my winter tired put on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27695620 said by urbanriot:

I think it's his use of the label "OEM" which might be throwing us off since it's not a term used in that industry.

Whether he intended it or not, the way he conveyed it made it seems like he's alleging these tire installers are selling 'forged' tires, selling non-Michelin tires as Michelin and basically ripping people off.

FFS.....again, no I'm saying no such thing.

(note: I do understand OEM = original equipment from manufacturer ie/ the tires the car came with)

Tire manufacturers make more than one version of a given model, with different compounds which result in different wear / mileage / handling characteristics. Goodyear / Michelin / Firestone / whatever, and build a version specifically for new cars that the manufacturers use. The version that is sold "after market" is a different one with, generally speaking, a higher quality compound which results in higher wear rankings and a longer lasting tire with as good or better driving characteristics. It also means the ones made for the car manufacturers can be made less expensively, which saves the car company money in the build process.

I used Goodyear RS-As as an example because that's what my car came with, not because it's only Goodyear that does this and "Michelin is Michelin is Michelin no matter where it comes from". This isn't about trying to claim tires are 'forged', or fakes, or anything of the sort. I thought the explanation was pretty straight-forward, but it seems that all sorts of things are being read into it so I'll try and summarize it simply:

1) Tire manufacturers build tires for car companies to use on new cars
2) These tires are often made using different compounds from those used for the exact same tire (brand/name/size) that is sold on the regular market
3) These differences in compounds can affect performance and wear
4) The differences in compounds can also affect price
5) Through conversations with people in the automotive industry, I've found Costco sells tires that can be the car company 'level' of tire rather than the common market one, which may account for the difference in price (as well as their lower markup, as DJ asserted upthread).

Izzat clearer now?
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said by Kardinal:

said by dirtyjeffer:

i did some further googling and from what i can see, this line is bullshit (as i suspected)..

Easy there fella. You're reading a bias in that isn't there,... You can call it bullshit if you like....that's your affair.

I'll have to concur with DJ. I've never heard of this as well.

I think it's his use of the label "OEM" which might be throwing us off since it's not a term used in that industry.

Whether he intended it or not, the way he conveyed it made it seems like he's alleging these tire installers are selling 'forged' tires, selling non-Michelin tires as Michelin and basically ripping people off.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27695550 Mon, 05 Nov 2012 13:14:30 EDT Re: where do I get my winter tired put on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27695533 said by peterboro:

said by Kardinal:

said by dirtyjeffer:

i did some further googling and from what i can see, this line is bullshit (as i suspected)..

Easy there fella. You're reading a bias in that isn't there,... You can call it bullshit if you like....that's your affair.

I'll have to concur with DJ. I've never heard of this as well.

use of the term OEM may refer to same brand/model /size as comes from the factory. All tires should carry a UTQGS rating that shows wear and temperature range. As long as you refer to those ratings, you will know what you are fitting ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27695533 Mon, 05 Nov 2012 13:08:18 EDT Re: where do I get my winter tired put on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27695481 said by Kardinal:

said by dirtyjeffer:

i did some further googling and from what i can see, this line is bullshit (as i suspected)..

Easy there fella. You're reading a bias in that isn't there,... You can call it bullshit if you like....that's your affair.

I'll have to concur with DJ. I've never heard of this as well.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27695481 Mon, 05 Nov 2012 12:55:44 EDT Re: where do I get my winter tired put on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27695476
come to think of it, i know someone at the plant...i will send them an email and let you know what i find out.
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- George Orwell]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27695476 Mon, 05 Nov 2012 12:54:50 EDT Re: where do I get my winter tired put on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27695425 said by dirtyjeffer:

i did some further googling and from what i can see, this line is bullshit (as i suspected)..

Easy there fella. You're reading a bias in that isn't there, and taking a turn I didn't say (which I hope is just a misunderstanding, and not a tangent to try and deflect away from the point I'm making to satisfy your own stance). I'm not comparing Michelin Defender vs Brand X house tire. It's a difference between the Goodyear Eagle RS-As that my car came with and the Eagle RS-As that I would buy at a tire place to replace them. Same name, same tread pattern, but not the same tire. OEM and replacement tires are NOT the same thing most of the time, especially on cars that aren't uber expensive. In fact, they are quite different in terms of wear quality, length of life, and grip due to different rubber compounds etc.

I'm not slamming Costco, I'm pointing out a possible reason why their tires are less expensive than other places selling at tire with the same name. My research is based on talking with people who work at dealers, aftermarket mod shops, tire retailers and the aforementioned former Costco worker (all of whom are known to me personally, not people I'm talking to across a counter and I've never met before). This isn't a 10 minute Internet search, it's numerous conversations over time with people in the industry that neither you nor I work in.

You can call it bullshit if you like....that's your affair.
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The other thing about Costco tires is they are OEM, not replacement, tires (I've heard this from several different sources and have no reason to doubt any of them). There's a significant difference between the two, and my dealer admitted that the replacement tires they were going to sell me to replace the originals on my car were identical brand, model and size but a better product than the ones that are on cars when they are sold.

It's not a deal-breaker for most, but it is something to keep in mind when buying tires.

i did some further googling and from what i can see, this line is bullshit (as i suspected)...for example, if you buy a set of Michelin Defender tires, they are identical regardless of where you buy them from (Green and Ross, Wal-Mart, Costco, Canadian Tire, Pistol Pete's Performance Tires)...if it has the same name (Defender, Primacy, etc), it is the same tire...of course, some companies do make "house brand" tires, so in that case, yes, they can be different, but they will have a special name on them...for example, Wal-Mart may sell a tire called a UltraTour, which may look similar to a Defender, but perhaps is $30 less and may offer a slightly less wear rating, or perhaps it is $20 more and has a better wear rating...keep in mind, you are only likely to find "house brand" tires at LARGE retailers as the costs to develop and private label your own tire would require significantly large purchases (quantities).
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- George Orwell]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27695312 Mon, 05 Nov 2012 12:22:06 EDT Re: where do I get my winter tired put on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-where-do-I-get-my-winter-tired-put-on-27695238 said by donoreo:

Oh no, you have spoken foul of the great and might Costco.

BRING IT! ;) I've been a member since 1992, so I've spent lots of money there over the years and know there are bargains to be found there and somethings to be evaluated more carefully before a purchase is made. There's nothing wrong with OEM tires, but they aren't the same rubber compound as what you'll find elsewhere with the same name on it. The consumer has the final say as to where their money is spent, and whether or not saving $20/tire as opposed to buying them elsewhere is worth buying a lower quality version of the same tire or not.
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of course, what might be available is a Hankook (example) Excel 4Ti, which may be a little more money, but a much better tire (or a Michelin, Bridgestone, whatever). OEM tires are tires chosen for specific requirements spec'd by the manufacturer, including price.

often, an "OE" replacement may only be related to the "size" of the tire...as an example, my Rio5 has 205/45/17 tires on it...Michelin does not make a standard (non-winter) tire in that size...so, if i want to put a Michelin tire on my car, and maintain my 17" rims, i will need to change the profile of the tire (example, 215/45/17)...or, i could buy new rims if i wanted something like a 205/55/16, which is what i purchased for snow tires, as i didn't like the choices available in the OEM size (limited selection).
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