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Re: Cat5/Cat6...... Phone/DSL install You will not see a drastic improvement, but the cost is not much of a difference. Go for CAT6 at least you will reduce a tiny bit of latency. If you want to not upgrade for decades go for CAT7 I think it can handle 10Gbps. |
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 nunyaWho is John Galt?Premium,MVM
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Go for CAT6 at least you will reduce a tiny bit of latency.
How's that?
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I think I see the "issue". It looks like somebody broke the ring wire off of the terminal and just wrapped it around the screw rather than replacing the module.
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Category 6 cable, commonly referred to as Cat 6, is a cable standard for Gigabit Ethernet and other network physical layers that is backward compatible with the Category 5/5e and Category 3 cable standards. Compared with Cat 5 and Cat 5e, Cat 6 features more stringent specifications for crosstalk and system noise. The cable standard provides performance of up to 250 MHz and is suitable for 10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX (Fast Ethernet), 1000BASE-T/1000BASE-TX (Gigabit Ethernet) and 10GBASE-T (10-Gigabit Ethernet).
Whereas Category 6 cable has a reduced maximum length when used for 10GBASE-T; Category 6a cable, or Augmented Category 6, is characterized to 500 MHz and has improved alien crosstalk characteristics, allowing 10GBASE-T to be run for the same distance as previous protocols. |
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I would go the other way around...
I'd call you telco and request that your NID be swapped with a newer version with a dsl splitter inside just like what I posted.
From there, do a home run for your dsl line and voice pair. Connect modem to dsl junction box [without splitters since it's been split already at the NID] and phone to voice junction box.
Observe if you still have an issue...if yes, then a whole house re-wire is your next step. If not, then the new NID coupled with the homeruns solved your issue. Up to you if you still want to do a whole house re-wire.. |
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Mathews, VA
kudos:1 | reply to brianiscool
said by brianiscool:You will not see a drastic improvement, but the cost is not much of a difference. Go for CAT6 at least you will reduce a tiny bit of latency. If you want to not upgrade for decades go for CAT7 I think it can handle 10Gbps.
How is that going to be accomplished? Remember the limiting factor is the POTS for DSL service to the house. |
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nunyaWho is John Galt?Premium,MVM
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I'm quite aware of what Cat6 is, thank you very much. I've even installed a few feet in my time. Please explain how it will decrease latency.
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| CAT6e can handle more bandwidth and travels at a higher MHZ band. |
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1 edit | said by brianiscool:CAT6e can handle more bandwidth and travels at a higher MHZ band.
Bandwidth has nothing to do with latency.
Frequency, while affecting latency, isn't going to change just because you use Cat6 (And even then you wouldn't even get 0.0000001ms reduction in latency for 100 feet run).
I can have a 1000000 BAZILLION gigabyte connection and have 5 hours latency. |
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Jack_in_VAPremium
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Mathews, VA
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said by brianiscool:CAT6e can handle more bandwidth and travels at a higher MHZ band.
And what is the source of this 10 Gbbs? What does bandwidth have to do with Latency? |
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OK,I never asked as to should I or shouldn't I use cat5/6 cable for the phones. I have it already so it's not like I am going to run our and buy it. So it makes more sense to go get cat3 cable to use,just because the cat5/6 is overkill? I don't think so.So we can stop debating it.Lets move on.
Now back to the subject at hand. DSL stats at the NID are a little better. I was averaging 2.2dn/.30 up to 2.6dn/.33 up.At the NID I was getting constant 2.8 down and .37 up with a ping of 45.
Now If I take all that junk out of the NID that is there now and then run a wire from it to a POTS,then do my runs from there,is that going to be better?
I appreciate all the help by the way. |
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| said by Gigabyte2004:Now If I take all that junk out of the NID that is there now and then run a wire from it to a POTS,then do my runs from there,is that going to be better?
I suggest you read from post above...
Don't try to "properly" re-wire that NID yourself...you're better off having a telco tech do it.
Bottom line is, a new NID is a must and do homeruns after you get one with a dsl splitter inside. |
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said by Gigabyte2004:Now back to the subject at hand. DSL stats at the NID are a little better. I was averaging 2.2dn/.30 up to 2.6dn/.33 up.At the NID I was getting constant 2.8 down and .37 up with a ping of 45. That is largely a meaningless test as many things can affect end-to-end file transfer speed. What you want to compare are the modem stats, attenuation, sync speed, TX/Rx power and margin. That isolates DSL physical parameters.
said by Gigabyte2004: Now If I take all that junk out of the NID that is there now and then run a wire from it to a POTS,then do my runs from there,is that going to be better?
Impossible to tell until you run some additional tests.
/tom |
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Here's some stat after I hooked everything back up. I just dont have time to go back and hook the modem directly to the NID,but I will tomorrow.
Downstream and Upstream Statistics
Downstream Upstream
SN Margin (dB) 13.9 16.1
Line Attenuation (dB) 55.5 33.4
Output Power(dBm) 14.0 4.3
Errored Seconds 24402 17
Loss of Signal 3 0
Loss of Frame 0 0
FEC Errors 0 0
CRC Errors 123017 39
Downstream Sync Rate (kbps) 1971
Upstream Sync Rate (kbps) 509
Modulation ADSL2+ |
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I'll give the Telco a call tomorrow and see what they say about the new NID with the splitter.
Update. Spent the last 30 mins with ATT and was told that they don't have a NID that has a DSL splitter in it. |
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kruserPremium
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Eastern MO | reply to Gigabyte2004
said by Gigabyte2004:Here's some stat after I hooked everything back up. I just dont have time to go back and hook the modem directly to the NID,but I will tomorrow.
Downstream and Upstream Statistics
Downstream Upstream
SN Margin (dB) 13.9 16.1
Line Attenuation (dB) 55.5 33.4
Output Power(dBm) 14.0 4.3
Errored Seconds 24402 17
Loss of Signal 3 0
Loss of Frame 0 0
FEC Errors 0 0
CRC Errors 123017 39
Downstream Sync Rate (kbps) 1971
Upstream Sync Rate (kbps) 509
Modulation ADSL2+
I'll be anxious to see the stats again after you plug the modem directly into the NID. |
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I'll try to get to it as soon as I can. |
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said by Gigabyte2004:I'll give the Telco a call tomorrow and see what they say about the new NID with the splitter.
Update. Spent the last 30 mins with ATT and was told that they don't have a NID that has a DSL splitter in it.
regular csr's won't know anything about a splitter inside the NID. just call them and ask them to install a new NID for you...
when the install date comes, you either wait in person for the tech to come and ask for that splitter or when you can't be around, hang / put a note on the to be replaced NID that a new splitter inside the NID be installed as well.. |
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I actually talked to one of the tech repair guys. Im going to call again tomorrow. |
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Well, I decided to do a chat session with a repair tech and he actually set up an appointment for tomorrow to install a new NID with a splitter. Now we will see,what actually gets done since I will be at work.Think I will go ahead and leave a not like you suggested. |
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