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Gainsborough

@johnstonesupply.com
reply to Jobbie

Re: [Raiding] Real ID and the LFR system

Yesterday, I did this... tank ques are usually longer ~30 mins (if you que tank/dps they force you to be a tank and you still wait 30mins.) just dps ques 1 min. So qued as a dps... stayed in prot... did this for all 6 bosses in LFR... got 3 peices of tank gear and two legendary quest items. Smiled to myself that ironicly this is was was happening in LFG with the dps queing as a tank to get fast que times... pay back is a b*tch dps.

cigtyme
Coonass and Proud of it

join:2010-08-17
Houma, LA
kudos:1
Well i stand corrected. Everyone just has a 4% chance. I was wrong. I thought 5 pieces dropped and everyone could use a coin for an extra chance. Now there is a roll char by char, so there is no gear benefit to LFR for 2 guilds. Just the No Asshats and it will go smoother hypothetically. LOL

clawfury

join:2012-02-14
Rochester, MI
Yep I think for the chance of having no asshats, sig, it would be totally worth it Good luck!


Venom1

join:2011-10-21
Augusta, GA
reply to clawfury
said by clawfury:

That's true, Eumaeus. However anyone wants to run a combined group is their business. I'm just sitting here trying to wrap my engineer's brain around the idea of how in the hell you get more gear in the guild by running together vs. separately. *mind melts*

you are looking at it from an individual chance pov. we are looking at keeping the gear in the guild/guilds. its ok it it goes to a "sister guild." in the end we are helping friends, not carrying strangers. if we fill up all 25 spots we guarantee that the loot stays within the combined guilds.

sorry i cant show my work, i only understood the theory behind the calculus, and that was some 12 years ago.
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Nick D
Premium
join:2010-02-04
Orange, CA
If the 25 members did the runs individually, you'd have the same (statistical) amount of loot in the raid team as if you did one run of 25 players, because the presence of other people neither helps nor hurts your loot chances.

The drops can't be traded, y'know.

cigtyme
Coonass and Proud of it

join:2010-08-17
Houma, LA
kudos:1
said by Nick D:

If the 25 members did the runs individually, you'd have the same (statistical) amount of loot in the raid team as if you did one run of 25 players, because the presence of other people neither helps nor hurts your loot chances.

The drops can't be traded, y'know.

Yes i started this thread with the mindset of 5 pieces per 25 people. Now each person rolls. It is really not even a 4% chance. All 25 people could win or lose. I don't know Blizzards numbers. All we would be doing is insuring no asshats, and a smothe run.
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Immer
Gentleman
Premium
join:2010-01-07
Evans, GA
kudos:8
I still think its a great idea... something different to do. I'm all for bolstering a community feel.


Nick D
Premium
join:2010-02-04
Orange, CA
reply to cigtyme
It's a 15% chance, for the record. Per kill, and per coin.

I was clarifying for Venom/Scaith.


Venom1

join:2011-10-21
Augusta, GA
reply to Nick D
said by Nick D:

If the 25 members did the runs individually, you'd have the same (statistical) amount of loot in the raid team as if you did one run of 25 players, because the presence of other people neither helps nor hurts your loot chances.

The drops can't be traded, y'know.

dark... break out the calculator on this
you are right, drops cannot be traded. but I'm more concerned with loot going to our group than to any one individual.

while this does very little to increase the output of the individual within a normal raid, it strengthens the group's output as a whole. it's a holistic approach to gearing. think of it as loot council without the council.

edit: i totally understand what you are saying and statistically you are correct. /math respect

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cigtyme
Coonass and Proud of it

join:2010-08-17
Houma, LA
kudos:1
One of my pet peaves as RL and GM is getting people, like my self, that groan when it is plate or mail, that i cant use, to understand the guild concept. If it increases threat, dmg, or heals, it benefits the other 9 or 24 raiders.


stonhinge
Premium
join:2003-07-28
Topeka, KS
reply to Venom1
My raid has been queuing for LFR as a group while we wait for the last couple of people to finish gearing up. Personally, i don't queue as a tank solo for LFR because the other tank is a totally unknown quality. Thankfully, i'm a monk, so I can manage things like that and still get appropriate gear.

the bonus to queuing as a group is that you still feel like raiding, and you've got a group of people that is willing to get it cleared. It strengthens the group's output as a whole because you've already got people who are actively working together, and most likely have voice communications set up.
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tuladrin

@idv.net
reply to cigtyme
Cig, I would go but did do the 1st three new ones and the first three olds already, just have middle 3 left. On a side note, on a current hot streak of being 0 for 21 on drops in lfr


Jobbie
Keep It Simple
Premium
join:2010-08-24
Mexico
kudos:5
reply to stonhinge
We queue with 2 tanks a healer and a dps, having the tanks able to communicate is just awesome and makes the group go a lot faster.
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cigtyme
Coonass and Proud of it

join:2010-08-17
Houma, LA
kudos:1
reply to cigtyme
Yep speed of the lfr makes the 90 Valor come easy. You know if you feel like doing it again, you get 45 valor every other time you do it.


Jobbie
Keep It Simple
Premium
join:2010-08-24
Mexico
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I don't think LFR is a good source for valor heroics give you 80 the first and 30 the next ones for 15 minutes.
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mettachain
Goblineer

join:2011-09-27
Azeroth
kudos:1
said by Jobbie:

I don't think LFR is a good source for valor heroics give you 80 the first and 30 the next ones for 15 minutes.

40
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Jobbie
Keep It Simple
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join:2010-08-24
Mexico
kudos:5
said by mettachain:

said by Jobbie:

I don't think LFR is a good source for valor heroics give you 80 the first and 30 the next ones for 15 minutes.

40

Thanks for the clarification, even better.
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Judge a man by the trials of his shield, not the empty reaping of his sword.