 Venom1
join:2011-10-21
Augusta, GA | reply to cigtyme
Re: [Raiding] Real ID and the LFR system as far as "rotating tanks" goes, we dont have to bother, just have them q as dps. if one of the "not actually tanking" tanks wins loot, it will see them in tank spec and give them an item for that spec.
I did that 2 lfr's ago. queued as heals, jumped around in tank spec and gear. I did pick up adds that were running around in the caster group, so i wasn't totally dead weight. Got tanking shoulders out of it...
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cigtymeCoonass and Proud of it
join:2010-08-17
Houma, LA
kudos:1 | That is good to know. I am not being to bold by asking this, i just think that us 2 together, would keep more gear in our ranks, instead of joe Pug. |
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| There's no point to this with the new loot system. Who is in the group has absolutely no effect on the drops. It's individual. Doing it just for social fun though, that's cool. But don't think it will affect your loot distribution. |
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 ImmerGentlemanPremium
join:2010-01-07
Evans, GA
kudos:6
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| said by clawfury:There's no point to this with the new loot system. Who is in the group has absolutely no effect on the drops. It's individual. Doing it just for social fun though, that's cool. But don't think it will affecty our loot distribution.
sure there is (»[Raiding] Mean People Suck
Also, it allows us to do what Venom1 suggested, running with 4 people in tank spec so they all have a shot at loot while running with friends.
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cigtymeCoonass and Proud of it
join:2010-08-17
Houma, LA
kudos:1 | reply to clawfury
So if i run by my self 1/25 shot at gear. Has a 4% chance gear stays in the guild. As Opposed to 20/25 people(10/25 per guild) 80% it stays in the 2 guilds, or 40% it stays in my guild. Yea there are clearly no advantages.
Immer, i think i have to invite you, or vice versa, then give permission to invite, then we both just invite our peoples. |
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ImmerGentlemanPremium
join:2010-01-07
Evans, GA
kudos:6 | yeah, just set up a raid and click that check mark that gives everyone "Assist". |
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said by cigtyme:So if i run by my self 1/25 shot at gear. Has a 4% chance gear stays in the guild. As Opposed to 20/25 people(10/25 per guild) 80% it stays in the 2 guilds, or 40% it stays in my guild. Yea there are clearly no advantages.
I think what those above mean is that there is not a set number of people receiving loot in LFR when a boss dies. It isn't that 5 of 25 people will get loot, it's that each person in the raid has X% chance to receive loot independant of one another.
So in reality it is a social / player skill reliability issue to queue up with friends moreso than to ensure your raid gets gear.
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 JobbieKeep It SimplePremium
join:2010-08-24
Mexico
kudos:1 | The loot rolls are personal now, if you roll with a tank spec on lfr you will be gimping your dps for no reason, even when lfr bosses are a joke you can break some encounters if you don't plan this properly. See Elegon.
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 DarkLogixTexan and ProudPremium
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
kudos:3 | In LFR if you want tank gear you have to be iin tank spec, LFR will only give you loot proper to your spec.
just need to be aware of it, I know we once did part 2 bosses 1 and 2 with sanc in tank spec but marked as a healer.
it went so smooth that no one noticed. (this was when he was first building a tank set.) |
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| If someone really wants tank gear that bad, go Queue alone. You have a 4% chance of getting tank gear regardless of who you are grouped with.
EDIT: No point in gimping your group with 4 tanks in tank spec, when you aren't changing the end result. |
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DarkLogixTexan and ProudPremium
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
kudos:3 | in LFR if your aren't in tank spec you have 0% chance
though tank gear and Mdps gear does overlap some.
the LFR loot system is you will only ever get gear for your spec and class Mdps and tank might share some gear but dodge gear isn't Mdps gear so if your speced into a mdps spec you will not get dodge gear.
As with the coins you only have a shot at the part of the loot table that wow says is for your spec. |
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JobbieKeep It SimplePremium
join:2010-08-24
Mexico
kudos:1 | said by DarkLogix:in LFR if your aren't in tank spec you have 0% chance
though tank gear and Mdps gear does overlap some.
Yeah but it requires you doing the fight in tank spec, if you have a dps slot, I really hope you have enough total dps to burn down a boss. I even see it on LFR when I queue as a tank alone, I see 3 dps running in bear/blood/withshield trying to blend in.
If we down the boss is fine but if we wipe because of lack of damage is vote kick time.
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DarkLogixTexan and ProudPremium
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
kudos:3 | I agree is the DPS is good its fine, if not time for dps to be dps. |
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Let's be honest, a good player taking a DPS slot but playing in tanking spec will often out-DPS the bottom 5-6 players anyway.
Still seeing people in the 22-25k range every time I do LFR. |
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| That's true, Eumaeus. However anyone wants to run a combined group is their business. I'm just sitting here trying to wrap my engineer's brain around the idea of how in the hell you get more gear in the guild by running together vs. separately. *mind melts* |
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DarkLogixTexan and ProudPremium
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
kudos:3 | a Pug of HoF LFR will likely be painful, a premade will likely kill stuff faster. |
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JobbieKeep It SimplePremium
join:2010-08-24
Mexico
kudos:1 | said by DarkLogix:a Pug of HoF LFR will likely be painful, a premade will likely kill stuff faster.
I will experience that tonight, when I try to tank HoF on LFR.
/scared
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said by clawfury:If someone really wants tank gear that bad, go Queue alone. You have a 4% chance of getting tank gear regardless of who you are grouped with.
Yes and no.
Yes, if you finish the whole encounter you have that 4% chance to get tank gear. Unfortunately, the chances of you actually finishing the run are lower in LFR due to self appointed LFR police.
If you que as dps and go tank spec in LFR with non guildies you risk removal regardless of your performance. Certain players will feel a sense of obligation to try to remove you from the group. Sadly, you can have better dps numbers, better understanding, positioning, awareness. etc, etc.
I have no idea how long dps wait for LFR, but why risk the wait when you can insta que for the same instance with friends, get a more coordinated effort at gear for two guilds and avoid all the asshats with a God complex.
Seems like win / win, even for the LFR asshats. |
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JobbieKeep It SimplePremium
join:2010-08-24
Mexico
kudos:1 | Again, the mechanics and damage have been dumbed down that as long as you reach the required dps for that encounter you will win and get your chance at loot for your personal roll + your elder coin.
If you don't you are in trouble.
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| Yesterday, I did this... tank ques are usually longer ~30 mins (if you que tank/dps they force you to be a tank and you still wait 30mins.) just dps ques 1 min. So qued as a dps... stayed in prot... did this for all 6 bosses in LFR... got 3 peices of tank gear and two legendary quest items. Smiled to myself that ironicly this is was was happening in LFG with the dps queing as a tank to get fast que times... pay back is a b*tch dps. |
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