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DarkLogix
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Baytown, TX
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reply to clawfury

Re: [Raiding] Real ID and the LFR system

in LFR if your aren't in tank spec you have 0% chance

though tank gear and Mdps gear does overlap some.

the LFR loot system is you will only ever get gear for your spec and class Mdps and tank might share some gear but dodge gear isn't Mdps gear so if your speced into a mdps spec you will not get dodge gear.

As with the coins you only have a shot at the part of the loot table that wow says is for your spec.



Jobbie
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Mexico
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said by DarkLogix:

in LFR if your aren't in tank spec you have 0% chance

though tank gear and Mdps gear does overlap some.

Yeah but it requires you doing the fight in tank spec, if you have a dps slot, I really hope you have enough total dps to burn down a boss. I even see it on LFR when I queue as a tank alone, I see 3 dps running in bear/blood/withshield trying to blend in.

If we down the boss is fine but if we wipe because of lack of damage is vote kick time.
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DarkLogix
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I agree is the DPS is good its fine, if not time for dps to be dps.



Eumaeus

join:2009-12-10
Yorktown, VA
reply to Jobbie

Let's be honest, a good player taking a DPS slot but playing in tanking spec will often out-DPS the bottom 5-6 players anyway.

Still seeing people in the 22-25k range every time I do LFR.


clawfury

join:2012-02-14
Rochester, MI

That's true, Eumaeus. However anyone wants to run a combined group is their business. I'm just sitting here trying to wrap my engineer's brain around the idea of how in the hell you get more gear in the guild by running together vs. separately. *mind melts*



DarkLogix
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a Pug of HoF LFR will likely be painful, a premade will likely kill stuff faster.



Jobbie
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said by DarkLogix:

a Pug of HoF LFR will likely be painful, a premade will likely kill stuff faster.

I will experience that tonight, when I try to tank HoF on LFR.

/scared
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Judge a man by the trials of his shield, not the empty reaping of his sword.


Venom1

join:2011-10-21
Augusta, GA
reply to clawfury

said by clawfury:

That's true, Eumaeus. However anyone wants to run a combined group is their business. I'm just sitting here trying to wrap my engineer's brain around the idea of how in the hell you get more gear in the guild by running together vs. separately. *mind melts*

you are looking at it from an individual chance pov. we are looking at keeping the gear in the guild/guilds. its ok it it goes to a "sister guild." in the end we are helping friends, not carrying strangers. if we fill up all 25 spots we guarantee that the loot stays within the combined guilds.

sorry i cant show my work, i only understood the theory behind the calculus, and that was some 12 years ago.
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Nick D
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join:2010-02-04
Orange, CA

If the 25 members did the runs individually, you'd have the same (statistical) amount of loot in the raid team as if you did one run of 25 players, because the presence of other people neither helps nor hurts your loot chances.

The drops can't be traded, y'know.


cigtyme
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join:2010-08-17
Houma, LA
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said by Nick D:

If the 25 members did the runs individually, you'd have the same (statistical) amount of loot in the raid team as if you did one run of 25 players, because the presence of other people neither helps nor hurts your loot chances.

The drops can't be traded, y'know.

Yes i started this thread with the mindset of 5 pieces per 25 people. Now each person rolls. It is really not even a 4% chance. All 25 people could win or lose. I don't know Blizzards numbers. All we would be doing is insuring no asshats, and a smothe run.
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Immer
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I still think its a great idea... something different to do. I'm all for bolstering a community feel.



Nick D
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join:2010-02-04
Orange, CA
reply to cigtyme

It's a 15% chance, for the record. Per kill, and per coin.

I was clarifying for Venom/Scaith.



Venom1

join:2011-10-21
Augusta, GA
reply to Nick D

said by Nick D:

If the 25 members did the runs individually, you'd have the same (statistical) amount of loot in the raid team as if you did one run of 25 players, because the presence of other people neither helps nor hurts your loot chances.

The drops can't be traded, y'know.

dark... break out the calculator on this
you are right, drops cannot be traded. but I'm more concerned with loot going to our group than to any one individual.

while this does very little to increase the output of the individual within a normal raid, it strengthens the group's output as a whole. it's a holistic approach to gearing. think of it as loot council without the council.

edit: i totally understand what you are saying and statistically you are correct. /math respect

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cigtyme
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join:2010-08-17
Houma, LA
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One of my pet peaves as RL and GM is getting people, like my self, that groan when it is plate or mail, that i cant use, to understand the guild concept. If it increases threat, dmg, or heals, it benefits the other 9 or 24 raiders.



stonhinge
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Topeka, KS
reply to Venom1

My raid has been queuing for LFR as a group while we wait for the last couple of people to finish gearing up. Personally, i don't queue as a tank solo for LFR because the other tank is a totally unknown quality. Thankfully, i'm a monk, so I can manage things like that and still get appropriate gear.

the bonus to queuing as a group is that you still feel like raiding, and you've got a group of people that is willing to get it cleared. It strengthens the group's output as a whole because you've already got people who are actively working together, and most likely have voice communications set up.
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Jobbie
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We queue with 2 tanks a healer and a dps, having the tanks able to communicate is just awesome and makes the group go a lot faster.
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Judge a man by the trials of his shield, not the empty reaping of his sword.