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<description><![CDATA[Blackbird posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/403861" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=403861');">Mele20</a>:</said><p>I think this guy wished he had gotten a fake one then! &raquo;<A HREF="http://hawaiitribune-herald.com/sections/news/local-news/new-id-law-has-few-fans.html" >hawaiitribune-herald.com/section&middot;&middot;&middot;ans.html</A><br>... </p></div>Welcome to the wonderland of bureacratic reality:  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>Three years ago, Cubie Lee Maddox, now 70, had his ID stolen. To establish his identity he brought to the driver licensing office in Hilo on Monday a notarized statement from his bank and another from the Superior Court of Santa Clara attesting to his name change. To change his name in California, Maddox said, he had to have his birth certificate.<br><br>Maddox said he can&#146;t get his birth certificate unless he goes to California. He can&#146;t get on a plane to California unless he has a valid ID. He can&#146;t get a valid ID unless he gets his birth certificate.<br>...<br>Maddox tried to explain these things to the driver license examiner. &#147;We need your birth certificate,&#148; the examiner was overheard saying. <br>...<br>The examiner suggested other papers, but nothing that he had was allowed by state law. &#147;I&#146;m only doing my job,&#148; she said.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The really sad thing is that this happens not only in Hawaii... it happens whenever the Federal bureaucracy and its regulations collide with state bureaucracies and their regulations. Maddox's parting comment sums it up nicely:  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>&#147;Stupid, man,&#148; he said. &#147;We have stupid people running this country.&#148;<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><small>--<br>“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.” A. de Tocqueville</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[StuartMW posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/403861" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=403861');">Mele20</a>:</said><p>I didn't grow up in Hawaii but in the Deep South of the Mainland. <br> </p></div>Wow. Scarlett O'Hara to Magnum PI. Bit of culture shock there :D<br><small>--<br>Don't feed trolls--it only makes them grow!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Mele20 posted : I think this guy wished he had gotten a fake one then!<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://hawaiitribune-herald.com/sections/news/local-news/new-id-law-has-few-fans.html" >hawaiitribune-herald.com/section&middot;&middot;&middot;ans.html</A><br><br>I hope that doesn't happen to me...but then I will not be renewing close to the expiration date on mine since it expires 7 years from now and I have to switch it to the Real ID before Jan 15.<br><small>--<br>When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.  Thomas Jefferson</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Mele20 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/181601" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=181601');">StuartMW</a>:</said><p>BTW I assume that you can't, or don't want to, move from Hawaii. I've moved countries several times including to one where I didn't speak the language. Amazing how many people never move from their neighborhood of birth. Each to his/her own I suppose.<br><br>I spent a large part of my youth living on an island (not my choice) and frankly I don't want to do it again.<br><br>FYI I've also lived next to the sea. My siblings can't bear to be far from it. I'm a landlubber :D<br> </p></div>I didn't grow up in Hawaii but in the Deep South of the Mainland. There are folks here who have not only stayed in the neighborhood/town where they were born but who ALSO have NEVER left this island in their lifetimes. It amazes me that they have never been even to Honolulu).  I was stunned, a few years ago, to make a new friend who had just turned 39 and was planning to leave this island for the <b> first</b> time to visit a friend who grew up here but was living outside San Francisco and was very ill. She spent no time seeing the sights while in California. I know many here who have been outside Hawaii ONLY to visit Las Vegas.  They have no interest in seeing any parts of the Mainland...they just want to gamble and gambling is illegal in Hawaii (no State sponsored sweepstakes even) which is one reason I remain here. <br><br>Everyone said I would get "cabin fever" even on the Big Island...but I haven't...maybe I still will some day.  Yes, negative ions in the air I breathe everyday healed me years ago and have kept me in good health.  I didn't growup in a coastal area, but I did live in Daytona Beach for a year between Master's degree and PhD and I loved living on the beach!<br><small>--<br>When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.  Thomas Jefferson</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[StuartMW posted : And all of what you said is known to the gummint. They know that ID's can be faked and obtained fraudulently. Even a RFID placed under the skin at birth could be faked/substituted.<br><br>There are also gummint agencies (CIA etc) that fake ID's themselves. That's the reason I never recorded the license plate of Bob's vehicle when he visited. No point. It'd either come up as invalid or in the name of some fake person(s)/organization.<br><small>--<br>Don't feed trolls--it only makes them grow!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[jaykaykay posted : My friend, you would not need a fake ID.  You have a real one and are not desperate to be a citizen.  Those that are, or due to being terrorists, can buy a fake ID in California, Texas, Arizona, and probably many other states in the nation.  If a fake ID is something you need and/or want, believe me, you'd know how to get one.  There are people all over the US, probably there too, that will make something for the buck, and some of these fake IDs are pretty darned good in that they are really real...many using the info from dead people.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.google.com/search?q=how+many+states+print+false+IDs&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7ADSA_en" >www.google.com/search?q=how+many&middot;&middot;&middot;7ADSA_en</A><br><small>--<br>JKK:-)<br><br>Age is a very high price to pay for my maturity. If I can't stay young, I can at least stay immature! <br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.pbase.com/jaykaykay" >www.pbase.com/jaykaykay</A><br><br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[StuartMW posted : BTW I assume that you can't, or don't want to, move from Hawaii. I've moved countries several times including to one where I didn't speak the language. Amazing how many people never move from their neighborhood of birth. Each to his/her own I suppose.<br><br>I spent a large part of my youth living on an island (not my choice) and frankly I don't want to do it again.<br><br>FYI I've also lived next to the sea. My siblings can't bear to be far from it. I'm a landlubber :D<br><small>--<br>Don't feed trolls--it only makes them grow!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Mele20 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/181601" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=181601');">StuartMW</a>:</said><p>Well the Feds want Real Id drivers licenses as a national id card. Just one more thing so they know everything about everyone everywhere.<br><br>Of course the public reason is to prevent terrorists from getting on airplanes. The actual reason is to institute a national id system.<br><br>Bummer for you that you live in a state that doesn't object to it.<br> </p></div>I know all that. Hawaii was among the handful of states still protesting Real ID until this past summer. <br><small>--<br>When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.  Thomas Jefferson</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[rcdailey posted : We used ballots and black pen here in SoCal, too.  It took two ballots for all the individual offices and ballot initiatives.<br><small>--<br>It is easier for a camel to put on a bikini than an old man to thread a needle.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[rcdailey posted : Funny.  Ohio used to be called the "Mother of Presidents."]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[sivran posted : As Bruce Schneier pointed out, forge the documents needed to get one.<br><br>Okay, so it's not technically a fake Real ID, it's a real Real ID obtained fraudulently. Not really much difference there.<br><small>--<br>Think <A HREF="http://opera.com/">Outside</a> the <A HREF="http://www.seamonkey-project.org/">Fox.</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[StuartMW posted : Well the Feds want Real Id drivers licenses as a national id card. Just one more thing so they know everything about everyone everywhere.<br><br>Of course the public reason is to prevent terrorists from getting on airplanes. The actual reason is to institute a national id system.<br><br>Bummer for you that you live in a state that doesn't object to it.<br><small>--<br>Don't feed trolls--it only makes them grow!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Mele20 posted : I don't have one yet. My driver's license was renewed in 2011 for 8 years and the price for renewal was double that in the past (but in the past it was good for only 4 years.  I was glad it went to eight years as if it had stayed at 4 next renewal I would have hit the barrier and would have been required to have it renewed with various tests and doctors reports for only two years from thereon) but I got a reprieve since the renewal was for 8 years.  Anyhow, I have to go pay money again before Jan 15 to get a Real ID driver's license so I can fly interisland. I had to request an original birth certificate from the state where I was born to show Driver's License Department when I go to get the Real ID one.  It's a privacy invasive license and I think it goes from the current three fingerprints to all ten besides a bunch of other stuff.  Because of the facial recognition on it, I think you cannot smile for the photo.<br><br><small>--<br>When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.  Thomas Jefferson</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[goalieskates posted : I'll go with jaykaykay on this. Document mills are thriving here on the mainland. Not just California but here in beautiful Tennessee, and a lot of points in between. You don't have to be "wealthy" to obtain same, you just have to be willing to pay the price. People are willing.<br><br>And since passports are also forged, I'm not sure the requirement to have one to fly really achieves much. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[StuartMW posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/403861" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=403861');">Mele20</a>:</said><p>How do you buy FAKE Real ID drivers license and/or State ID? <br> </p></div> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>Yes.  I do!  It happens every day.<br> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br>I'm sure yours is genuine :D<br><br>No Real ID in this state--yet :)<br><small>--<br>Don't feed trolls--it only makes them grow!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Mele20 posted : That search is all about California. California has defied the laws of this nation and refused to implement Real ID for driver's license. Of course, you can buy faked ones in California easily. <br><br>Show me where people are able to easily get faked driver's license now in Hawaii. Not a year ago, but since Real ID became law and went into effect this summer. I'm not saying it can't be done. I have seen no reports of this though in the about 5 months that Real ID drivers license has been in effect here. It probably can be done....since most anything can be done if you are wealthy enough but easily and every day? I need some proof on that.  And here State ID is now also required to be Real ID and everyone wishing to fly after Jan 15 2013 must get either a Real State ID, Real Driver's License or US Passport.  The deadline for flying on old drivers license/state ID could change as Jan 15 approaches but so far that is the deadline.<br><small>--<br>When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.  Thomas Jefferson</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[jaykaykay posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/403861" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=403861');">Mele20</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/151802" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=151802');">jaykaykay</a>:</said><p>Do you really think that those #s mean anything when a fake one can be bought for pennies on the dollar!   <br> </p></div>Really? How do you buy FAKE Real ID drivers license and/or State ID? <br> </p></div>Yes.  I do!  It happens every day.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.google.com/search?q=can+people+buy+illegal+driver%27s+liscenses&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7ADSA_en#hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&gs_nf=3&pq=can%20people%20buy%20illegal%20driver's%20liscenses&cp=34&gs_id=3&xhr=t&q=can+people+buy+illegal+driver's+licenses&pf=p&tbo=d&rls=com.microsoft:en-us%3AIE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7ADSA_en&sclient=psy-ab&oq=can+people+buy+illegal+driver's+licenses&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=7c64ae5108e4478&bpcl=38093640&biw=1440&bih=676" >www.google.com/search?q=can+peop&middot;&middot;&middot;&bih=676</A><br><small>--<br>JKK:-)<br><br>Age is a very high price to pay for my maturity. If I can't stay young, I can at least stay immature! <br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.pbase.com/jaykaykay" >www.pbase.com/jaykaykay</A><br><br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[EGeezer posted : More SoS fun... <div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/27701974?c=2048664&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyNzY5OTM3NS54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="17479 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=97 SRC="/r0/download/2048664.thumb600~668fc376df346ee137d3a2edae158a5f/ 2012.11.07 00.04_Scncap04.jpg/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A><br>Double whoops...</TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[harald posted : Well, I just got home from a polling place in Ohio where I am a roster judge.<br><br>A roster judge greets the voter and evaluates his/her ID and either issues an authority to vote or sends them off to the paper judge to resolve problems.<br><br>I issued authorities to 183 voters.  Around 170 had picture ID with their current address.  The remainder had some other acceptable ID, including utility bills, child support docs (!), etc.<br><br>I sent about ten to the paper judge.  Most needed to vote provisionally because they had changed their name (marriage), had bad ID, etc.<br><br>A very long day, but no real issues.<br><br>Pretty typical.  This precinct is definitely not in a fancy neighborhood.  Around 20% black, 95% blue collar.  A good quantity of ethnics, mostly africans, especially Somali.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ironweasel posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/181601" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=181601');">StuartMW</a>:</said><p>Well I'm sure no illegals vote there  ;)<br> </p></div>No, I'm pretty sure they do.<br><br>NM gives a drivers license to illegal immigrants...so even if they are asked to produce ID, they'll whip out a completely valid NM license and register to vote with that.<br><br>There's a reason that NM has the largest population of Hispanic voters in the country.......<br><small>--<br>I'll be stretching out the rhyme like gravity stretches time.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[StuartMW posted : Well I'm sure no illegals vote there  ;)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ironweasel posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/181601" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=181601');">StuartMW</a>:</said><p>When I go to vote I take<br><br>&#8226; My passport (proves US citizenship).<br>&#8226; My drivers license (shows residency in state & address).<br>&#8226; The last voter registration I have (proves I'm in their system).<br><br>I've never had anyone look at anything other than the DL.<br> </p></div>Come to New Mexico......we'll let anyone register to vote - no proof needed!<br><br>No, seriously. My wife registered to vote and you know what kind of ID they wanted for verification? Nothing.<br><br>She filled out the paper and within a week had a brand new voter ID card.<br><small>--<br>I'll be stretching out the rhyme like gravity stretches time.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[StuartMW posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/403861" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=403861');">Mele20</a>:</said><p>How do you buy FAKE Real ID drivers license and/or State ID? <br> </p></div>You just have to go to the right places/people. Illegal immigrants do it all the time. It maybe difficult in HI but there are 49 (56 by some counts) other states.<br><br>BTW  jaykaykay <A HREF="/useremail/u/151802"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> living in AZ, a border state, prolly knows exactly where to go and who to ask :D<br><small>--<br>Don't feed trolls--it only makes them grow!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[StuartMW posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/403861" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=403861');">Mele20</a>:</said><p>With Real ID drivers license there is no need for a Passport with you as you must provide an original copy of your birth certificate to get a drivers license/renew one now in Hawaii or be able to fly domestically.</p></div>Interesting. Wouldn't have thought Hawaii had an illegal immigrant problem.<br><small>--<br>Don't feed trolls--it only makes them grow!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Mele20 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/181601" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=181601');">StuartMW</a>:</said><p>When I go to vote I take<br><br>&#8226; My passport (proves US citizenship).<br>&#8226; My drivers license (shows residency in state & address).<br>&#8226; The last voter registration I have (proves I'm in their system).<br><br>I've never had anyone look at anything other than the DL.<br> </p></div>With Real ID drivers license there is no need for a Passport with you as you must provide an original copy of your birth certificate to get a drivers license/renew one now in Hawaii or be able to fly domestically.<br><br>Plus, if you don't own a car or drive one at all, you get a State Real ID instead.<br><small>--<br>When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.  Thomas Jefferson</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Mele20 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/151802" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=151802');">jaykaykay</a>:</said><p>Do you really think that those #s mean anything when a fake one can be bought for pennies on the dollar!   <br> </p></div>Really? How do you buy FAKE Real ID drivers license and/or State ID? <br><small>--<br>When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.  Thomas Jefferson</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[StuartMW posted : When I go to vote I take<br><br>&#8226; My passport (proves US citizenship).<br>&#8226; My drivers license (shows residency in state & address).<br>&#8226; The last voter registration I have (proves I'm in their system).<br><br>I've never had anyone look at anything other than the DL.<br><small>--<br>Don't feed trolls--it only makes them grow!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[jaykaykay posted : Do you really think that those #s mean anything when a fake one can be bought for pennies on the dollar!   ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1620434" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1620434');">Krisnatharok</a>:</said><p>How should you prove you are a resident if you can't give them the last four of your SSN, DL <i>number</i> (not the license, but the number), or utility bill?<br> </p></div>Ya, it's weird because in my state, you have to bring your actual ID (birth cert, DL, SS, etc) when you *register* to vote. Since that deadline is long past, why the hullaboo to show it again to vote?<br><br>We always just signed the book and it must match your signature on file taken from your registration.  Your signature is in the sign-in book above where you sign again at time of voting and the poll worker looks at it to determine if it matches... Just like any financial transaction you make now where your signature is checked against the on-file copy.<br><br>I've never had to re-provide my ID or reprint numbers etc at the time of voting.<br><br>I get many people don't have IDs on their persons at all times (thank Jeebus we don't have to), and still many others don't own cars therefore don't have a license - take mass transit/dont have a utility in their name/Not a student or in military/Not eligible to use a bank - use payday check cashing/etc etc; So where's the issue? If they registered they provided the legally required proof of ID then. It's voting time - signature check is and has always been enough.*<br><br>*except for those still convinced there's the boogyman forging signatures exactly.<br><br>*shrugs*]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Tobester posted : If hackers can get into the Department of Defense, Heartland Payment Systems, South Carolina tax returns, etc. we can expect the same with electronic voting,  especially with the amount of unregulated money flowing into the political process.<br><br>Hard copy ballots are much more resistant to interference.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[CompUser posted : Let me apologize in advance for any issues that may arise because Ohio has idiots at the helm. <br><br>We're not all bad.  :)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[StuartMW posted : Well attempts were made to edukate Floridians...<br><br><img src="http://www.manbottle.com/pictures/votedummy.gif" /><br><br>Not sure if that worked ;)<br><small>--<br>Don't feed trolls--it only makes them grow!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Blackbird posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/874811" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=874811');">sivran</a>:</said><p>Ohio and Florida have been vying for that spot for months now. <br>I think with this though, Ohio just gained an unassailable lead.<br> </p></div>The real contest will come tonight and tomorrow, once the polls close and we see how many contested ballots there are in both states. Ohio may have the lead currently, but one should never count Florida out in this sort of thing... they have a well-established record of finding creative ways to truly hang up an election.<br><small>--<br>"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God!" -- P.Henry, 1775</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Krisnatharok posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1140294" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1140294');">Blackbird</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1620434" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1620434');">Krisnatharok</a>:</said><p>How should you prove you are a resident if you can't give them the last four of your SSN, DL <i>number</i> (not the license, but the number), or utility bill?<br> </p></div>Well, you just use one of your grocery store loyalty cards!  :D<br> </p></div>  Sweet, I didn't know I could use that as proof of identity.  Guess I can travel to other countries on one too.<br><small>--<br>If we lose this freedom of ours, history will record with the greatest astonishment, those who had the most to lose, did the least to prevent its happening.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Blackbird posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1620434" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1620434');">Krisnatharok</a>:</said><p>How should you prove you are a resident if you can't give them the last four of your SSN, DL <i>number</i> (not the license, but the number), or utility bill?<br> </p></div>Well, you just use one of your grocery store loyalty cards!  :D<br><small>--<br>"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God!" -- P.Henry, 1775</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[sivran posted : Ohio and Florida have been vying for that spot for months now. <br><br>I think with this though, Ohio just gained an unassailable lead.<br><small>--<br>Think <A HREF="http://opera.com/">Outside</a> the <A HREF="http://www.seamonkey-project.org/">Fox.</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Krisnatharok posted : How should you prove you are a resident if you can't give them the last four of your SSN, DL <i>number</i> (not the license, but the number), or utility bill?<br><small>--<br>If we lose this freedom of ours, history will record with the greatest astonishment, those who had the most to lose, did the least to prevent its happening.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[EGeezer posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/408621" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=408621');">redwolfe_98</a>:</said><p>"Ohio Republican Secretary of State Jon Husted, meanwhile, has issued a new last-minute directive that would disqualify ballots not accompanied by a form accurately documenting the type of identification used"<br> </p></div>This apparently applies to provisional ballots. <br><div class="bquote"><said>said by Dayton Daily News :</said><p>Advocates are saying on Saturday that the order by Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted late Friday wrongly puts the burden of recording the form of ID used on a provisional ballot on voters, not pollworkers. ... <br></p></div> &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/ohio-could-delay-outcome-of-presidential-election/nSwYq/" >www.daytondailynews.com/news/new&middot;&middot;&middot;n/nSwYq/</A> <br><br>Also see &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Lawsuit-Ohio-voting-machines-could-alter-votes-4009994.php" >www.sfgate.com/news/article/Laws&middot;&middot;&middot;9994.php</A> <br><div class="bquote"><said>said by SFGate article :</said><p>... The order requires voters to check a box explaining what ID they can offer if they weren't able to provide the last four digits of their Social Security numbers or their Ohio driver's license numbers. Alternative ID could include a military ID or a utility bill. ...<br></p></div> <br><br>Personally, I'd like to see a standard ballot format across the entire nation along with open source voting software. <br><small>--<br>Buckle Up. It makes it harder for the aliens to suck you out of your car.<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[redwolfe_98 posted : i saw this at the "democracy now" website:<br><br>"Ohio Republican Secretary of State Jon Husted, meanwhile, has issued a new last-minute directive that would disqualify ballots not accompanied by a form accurately documenting the type of identification used"]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[harald posted : Allegedly - and I don't trust that word nor do I trust the Ohio Secretary of State, the patches only affect the output of summary data.<br><br>I will be working at a voting location (in Ohio) tomorrow as of 0530.  Probably get home after 2030.  One hell of a hard way to earn $150.  Actually it is mostly very boring, although we may be busy this election.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[EGeezer posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/755055" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=755055');">OZO</a>:</said><p>That's fun. Are those folks going to offer flights on experimental planes too. <br> </p></div>Good point - Experimental Aircraft are subject to FAA inspection at various stages of construction before being issued an airworthiness certificate. ( see &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/air_cert/airworthiness_certification/sp_awcert/experiment/" >www.faa.gov/aircraft/air_cert/ai&middot;&middot;&middot;eriment/</A> )  <br><small>--<br>Buckle Up. It makes it harder for the aliens to suck you out of your car.<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[CylonRed posted : They are lawyers and don't need to listen to anyone in IT...  When I was working for the Montgomery County Clerk of Courts the downtown offices got a new, young IT admin.  Their #1 complaint about their software was that patches broke things and made the system unstable.  <br><br>The new young admin asked - who tests the patches.... the response was - "...test the patches?!?!?!?!?  We  just install them."<br><small>--<br>Brian<br><br>"It drops into your stomach like a Abrams's tank....  driven by Rosanne Barr..."  A. Bourdain</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[OZO posted : That's fun. Are those folks going to offer flights on experimental planes too. They may not need any certification as well... Or may be they're going to make experiments on general public only and themselves will use private and well certified jets?<br><small>--<br>Keep it simple, it'll become complex by itself...</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Mele20 posted : Oh, we are VERY MUCH in the picture! The results of our US Senate race may decide the future of the USA as this race could decide which party is in control of the US Senate.  It is a once in a generation race.  It has been extremely nasty with BIG Mainland interests invading our state with a lot of lies and VICIOUS campaigning. The US Chamber of Commerce is one of the greatest offenders.  (I am sick of the nasty ads that constantly on TV.  In all the years I have lived in Hawaii (40 years), I have never seen this level of viciousness in campaigning).<br><br>I don't know if the entire state is using paper.  The Hawaii County Clerk who handles elections on the Big Island has been involved in an ongoing elections scandal and the State of Hawaii took over the handling of the general election voting and absentee voting (bad name as anyone can vote early not just those absent on elections day) on this island because of the scandal.  <br><br>To add insult to injury, our ballots were messed up and it was too late to print more for early voting when the error was discovered and I think even elections day voting will not have correct ballots. By law, the candidates for each race are supposed to be listed ALPHABETICALLY.  Instead Romney is listed FIRST and Obama is at the very bottom of the list. <br><small>--<br>When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.  Thomas Jefferson</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2012 19:28:27 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[StuartMW posted : BTW does anyone know what kind of platform (PC/custom etc) these machines use?<br><small>--<br>Don't feed trolls--it only makes them grow!</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2012 19:01:17 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[StuartMW posted : Hmm, and HI isn't even in play. I wonder why they went back to paper.<br><small>--<br>Don't feed trolls--it only makes them grow!</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2012 18:54:13 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Mele20 posted : Ohio uses electronic voting machines? Gee, we went back to paper ballot and a black ink pen this year. :D  I voted a week ago in person (best thing Hawaii has done is heavily promote early voting). <br><small>--<br>When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.  Thomas Jefferson</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2012 18:49:20 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[StuartMW posted : Please no. I don't want to hear about Chad and whether he's hanging or has dimples.<br><small>--<br>Don't feed trolls--it only makes them grow!</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2012 18:16:31 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Blackbird posted : Perhaps Ohio's also readying a new state slogan: "Welcome to Ohio... it's the new Florida!"]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2012 18:08:42 EDT</pubDate>
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