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dlewis23

join:2005-04-18
Boca Raton, FL

Speed Upgrades Coming

Its about time. Hope it doesn't take too long.

»www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=2···id=35661

The Project VIP plan includes an upgrade for U-verse to speeds of up to 75Mbps and for U-verse IPDSLAM to speeds of up to 45Mbps, with a path to deliver even higher speeds in the future.
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iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Austin, TX
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Hate to rain on anyone's parade, but those kinds of speeds will only be available to folks very close to the DSLAM/VRAD, even when using Pair Bonding.

Don't get me wrong. 75 Mbps service is better than TWC offers currently. However you'll probably need to be within 1500 feet of the VRAD to get that kind of speed...and you'll probably need to pick up TV from AT&T in order to get that package.

As for 24 Mbps over ADSL2+ (IP-DSLAM), you're looking at pretty much ideal conditions to get that kind of speed. As in, well under a mile from the DSLAM. And upload speeds will probably be limited to 2 Mbps; you aren't going to see Annex M and 22.5 Mbps per pair on the same ADSL2+ service.

Am I bitter that I can only get 3M IP-DSLAM DSL despite having a VRAD right outside my apartment complex? Yep. BUt more bitter that, even with AT&T's announced enhancements, they still will be a tad behind what TWC can do in most cases.


ghost901

join:2012-05-18
reply to dlewis23

Anyone know if existing IPDSLAM users will see pair bonding upgrades or vdsl upgrades?



Nuckfuts
Premium
join:2003-10-18
Joliet, IL

I'll believe it when I see it.



Darknessfall
Premium
join:2012-08-17
kudos:5

Now if only they'll run FTTP on our street :/. We have AT&T fiber lines on our road and fiber going through our property .


nephipower

join:2012-02-20
San Antonio, TX
reply to dlewis23

What use if a 75 mbit connection going to be if their data cap is 250 GBs. Hopefully they don't start enforcing that pretty soon.



Michail
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join:2000-08-02
Boynton Beach, FL
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said by nephipower:

What use if a 75 mbit connection going to be if their data cap is 250 GBs. Hopefully they don't start enforcing that pretty soon.

There were a few data services mentioned in the pres-release. Hopefully they will focus on added services to generate revenue instead of caps. Caps, after all, should apply to any services they offer.

decifal

join:2007-03-10
Bon Aqua, TN
kudos:1
reply to dlewis23

Wonder what kinda lte plans they will offer for those of us labeled as rural.. Hopefully not the same as verizons home fusion... Laughable at best


dlewis23

join:2005-04-18
Boca Raton, FL
reply to nephipower

said by nephipower:

What use if a 75 mbit connection going to be if their data cap is 250 GBs. Hopefully they don't start enforcing that pretty soon.

Just because you have a faster connection doesn't mean you will use more data you just get things done faster.

I finally got my self upgraded from 12 Mbps to 18 Mbps and I don't use anymore data per month I just get downloads done faster or if someone is streaming netflix it doesn't slow down what I'm doing as much anymore.


Michail
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join:2000-08-02
Boynton Beach, FL
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But is does drive the ability and desire for more data as services grow around the greater bandwidth. With more bandwidth we have the potential to need more data.



djrobx
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Valencia, CA
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reply to dlewis23

I'm glad to hear they're going to take another stab at upgrading speeds. Even if only 10% of their customers can get the speeds, it still causes TWC to react and upgrade.
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Rangersfan

@sbcglobal.net

said by djrobx:

I'm glad to hear they're going to take another stab at upgrading speeds. Even if only 10% of their customers can get the speeds, it still causes TWC to react and upgrade.

Where did you see that only 10% of AT&T customers would get a speed upgrade?

iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Austin, TX
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The laws of physics say so.

AT&T will be using pair-bonded ADSL2+ (or maybe some vectored variant thereof) to deliver IP-DSLAM DSL. Getting 45 Mbps over two pairs might be possible a mile from the DSLAM, but that's pushing it.

75 Mbps? You're probably looking at pair-bonded VDSL2 in that case, unless you're within spitting distance (or 1000 wire feet) of the VRAD. You might be able to hit 75 Mbps pair-bonded at 2000 feet.

Maybe AT&T has enough VRAD density in some areas to deliver 75 Mbps service to most people who want it. I doubt it though. Even in NW Austin, where it feels like there's a VRAD every road mile, there are folks who can't get 24/3. Let alone something higher.


teicher

join:2010-06-30

Copper line quality is going to play a big role, too.I have a single pair that syncs at 45 at 1900', so I'd probably be one of those households that could get 75M with pair bonding. If AT&T let me use the full bandwidth from my profile, I could have 32/5 service right now. If they just sold what me modem sync'd at and could handle (something the GW could handle on its own), I could have even faster service.


davidhoffman
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Warner Robins, GA
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I agree with AT&T letting users get what the modem says they can. I think my modem, using AT&T's could support an 8Mbps down/ 1Mbps up instead of the 6Mbps down/0.5Mbps up I am at now. No, it would not be a massive increase, but it would cost AT&T very little to unleash the modems already in use.



djrobx
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reply to Rangersfan

said by Rangersfan :

said by djrobx:

I'm glad to hear they're going to take another stab at upgrading speeds. Even if only 10% of their customers can get the speeds, it still causes TWC to react and upgrade.

Where did you see that only 10% of AT&T customers would get a speed upgrade?

"Even if" being the key words. I would certainly hope that upgrades are available to more customers. I'm not sure how many they will actually qualify for 75mbps though.

I'm physically in the middle of the development that my VRAD services. My line pretty much maxed out on the 32mbps profile. Even if pair bonding were ideal, that's only 64mbps before TV overhead.

Still, I'm very excited to hear that the rumors that AT&T was giving up on U-verse were wrong, and that AT&T is still going to try and push their U-verse infrastructure. It's good for U-verse customers, and good for the customers of their competitors. I like having options.

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Darknessfall
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Maybe pair bonding and some tweaking may allow us to qualify for that 100 Mbps speed lol.

The VRAD is much closer than what it says .


Michail
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Boynton Beach, FL
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reply to dlewis23

I'd be happy if they fixed their peering with Netflix so we can use the available local bandwidth but that probably won't happen.


davidhoffman
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I am familiar with peering with other ISPs, essentially a net zero in traffic exchange, but how would peering apply to AT&T and Netflix? I see it as a very unbalanced relationship, in favor of Netflix, as far as the amount of GBs AT&T and Netflix would exchange. Does Netflix have resources, that I am obviously not familiar with, that AT&T would want to use for data transport?


UverseTech

join:2012-08-04
reply to Darknessfall

Just get Charter and problem solved



Darknessfall
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said by UverseTech:

Just get Charter and problem solved

We currently only have U-verse TV/Phone. Just dropped internet about two or so months ago for Comcast.


Jon
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join:2001-01-20
Lisle, IL
reply to dlewis23

Guess it's cool for people that want it. Though I can't imagine what I'd possibly need 75Mbps for. I play games online, netflix, hulu etc. All that stuff works fine on my 12Mbps. In fact, it all worked just fine when I only had 3Mbps.

And then there will be the hundreds of threads from people bitching about the fact that the upload still isn't enough.


doubleohwhat

join:2008-10-25
Birmingham, AL

said by Jon:

Guess it's cool for people that want it. Though I can't imagine what I'd possibly need 75Mbps for.

It's the upload I'm interested in. If they offered a 12/12 plan I'd be on it in a heartbeat.

iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Austin, TX
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Heck, I'd settle for 12/5 for a price significantly lower than TWC charges for 30/5 here.

Too bad AT&T doesn't seem to want to give folks more than 1 Mbps up on IP-DSLAM and 3 Mbps on VDSL.


Matt7

join:2001-01-02
Columbus, OH
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said by iansltx:

Too bad AT&T doesn't seem to want to give folks more than 1 Mbps up on IP-DSLAM and 3 Mbps on VDSL.

I am not sure it's that they don't want too but there is a limit on what VDSL2 can provide. Plus with offering VOIP/TV services over that line they can't devote all of the 2 or 5 MB upstream to internet bandwidth.


scotsclic

@comcast.net
reply to dlewis23

Looks like at&t is using a combination of technologies to bring higher speeds to U-Verse. The first technology at&t will be using is pair bonding. Currently pair-bonding is being used to extend the range of the current network, but now it will also be used to increase the speeds of customers closer to the VRAD. With pair bonding comes the phenomenon called cross talk which can drastically reduced data throughput of the bonded lines and other neighboring pairs. To mitigate this, at&t will be vectoring the lines reduce the amount of interference. This will be done by simply changing out a few line cards at the VRAD and some software updates to the RG/iNID to make them vectoring ready. Thus, when at&t completes the upgrade, youll notice more reliability of your connection increase as well as you max sync rate increase 100-150% of what you have now. If you ever looked at your bit loading graphs on Uverse realtime, youll notice your signal is carried out on a range of frequencies up to 8.832Mhz. at&t will be increasing the frequencies the modems can use for uploads/ downloads up to 17.664Mhz which will allow additional data throughput in conjunction with vectoring of the lines. In addition, if you've ever seen the bit loading graph, you notice the downstream frequencies are colored yellow while the upstream frequencies are colored green. Using rate-adaptive technology, your modem will dynamically reduce/increase the amount of line spectrum your downstream and upstream spectrum you can use and also selecting which frequencies are best for your upstream and downstream. What this means is that when you need additional uploading power, your modem can allocate additional spectrum to increase the upload throughput by "borrowing" the downstream frequencies. So this might hurt if you are downloading and uploading at the same time, but if you're doing one at a time, this means upload speeds could potentially be much higher than what they are currently.

For FTTN customers, this means speeds at 75mbps and 100mbps while for IPDSLAM customers this means 45mbps for most customers and 75mbps for customers close to the CO/RT



skunkape1

@bellsouth.net
reply to dlewis23

att bloze, worse thruput of all ,constant dropouts speed not as advertised



Nuckfuts
Premium
join:2003-10-18
Joliet, IL
reply to UverseTech

Well, for me I am glad they are doing this since the only other competition here is Comcast. It is good for the consumer to have competition even if you hate either.



VegasMan
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said by Nuckfuts:

Well, for me I am glad they are doing this since the only other competition here is Comcast. It is good for the consumer to have competition even if you hate either.

At least you have competition. I have no other viable alternative. I'm stuck with AT&T or some POS internet from a POS company called RAMAPO with 1Mb/512kb for $59/mo.
I hate Commiecast but I would welcome their internet.
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teicher

join:2010-06-30
reply to scotsclic

Thanks for sharing this info, it was pretty neat to read about some of the upcoming technology that hasn't already been discussed here.