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Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Sun, 11 Nov 2012 19:30:52 EDT

anon posted : Actually the $50 is covering mainly data for the several phones. It is the per phone charge that is a majority of the unlimited talk and text part. Hence when you add a second phone you don'g get more data, you have to get an upgraded tier to do that.

Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Fri, 09 Nov 2012 11:02:41 EDT

Crookshanks posted :

said by ssavoy:

Then again, if I bring my own phone it still costs the same. I wish they would start calling it "Phone Financing" rather than just roll it in with the service plan.

Charging you the same if you bring your own phone does suck. I really can't think of any reason they do it, other than industry inertia. The wireless industry has used the subsidy w/contract model for decades, mostly to shield people from sticker shock.

T-Mobile does offer different plans for BYOD, but they have a different corporate culture than most American carriers. I suspect you'll see the BYOD concept spread over the coming decade, particularly once VoLTE happens and we have a truly nationwide cellular standard.

Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Fri, 09 Nov 2012 10:51:48 EDT

ssavoy posted : Finally a logical answer. Then again, if I bring my own phone it still costs the same. I wish they would start calling it "Phone Financing" rather than just roll it in with the service plan.

Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Thu, 08 Nov 2012 10:10:34 EDT

Woody79_00 posted : many studies have shown Unlimited users actually use less data then those on metered plans because those on metered plans tend to max out their allotment to "get what they paid for"

of course all the major carriers contract plans are way over-priced. I was an Alltell customer for 14 years, and the minute Verizon took over they raised rates through the roof. I was paying $75 dollars for a smartphone plan on Alltell...the same plan on Verizon was 120 bucks..

I have officially left the major carriers. I can get Unlimited Voice and Text and 2 GB of data for 50 bucks a month...it would be foolish to pay the contract rate. of course you have to buy phone upfront but thats what saving a penny here and a penny there is for.

anyone who signs a cell contract this day in age is a sucker.

Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Thu, 08 Nov 2012 08:49:26 EDT

PaulHikeS2 posted : If the minutes and texting are $40/month and I have to pay $90/month for my smartphone, then my math shows the 1 Gig of data to be $50/month. Or is the $40/month access fee optional?
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Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Thu, 08 Nov 2012 00:20:28 EDT

Simba7 posted :

said by BF69:

Please show me proof how Verizon can offer unlimited 4G data to 92 million customers with a mere 10 MHz of spectrum on download and 10 MHz on upload.

Maybe if you shoved that many users on one cell tower, it'd be unsustainable. They have hundreds of thousands.

Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 23:43:09 EDT

buddahbless posted :

said by BF69:

said by buddahbless:

Please Show your proof that unlimited is not sustainable

Please show me proof how Verizon can offer unlimited 4G data to 92 million customers with a mere 10 MHz of spectrum on download and 10 MHz on upload.

There you go again please have more to say than taking a quote out of content. Also as I said before "best to be though of as a fool than..." well you know. Nowhere and I mean nowhere did I mention or speak of Verizon or sustainable unlimited 4G data, you should really learn to read full content and stop while your ahead.

Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 21:15:27 EDT

ke4pym posted :

said by BF69:

said by osravens:

If $30 for 2GB is a ripoff, then what is $60? Because that's what you'll pay Verizon now.

Verizon doubled their prices, and we as consumers are just supposed to take it.

Actually $60 also includes unlimited minutes and texting which is a $40 value. So the 2 GB is actually $20. People should actually read what the plan includes before talking.

The way I read it is you have to pay $40 for the smart phone. Which gets you unlimited minutes/text. And then another $60 for 2GB for a total of a $100 phone bill.

Am I reading that wrong?

And YIKES! 2GB used to be $30!

Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 17:10:43 EDT

ReVeLaTeD posted :

said by BF69:

Anyone that think cell phone companies can offer unlimited 4G data for $30 is both obtuse and naive. That being said at&t should have juts let these unlimited customers finish out their contracts before getting them off unlimited.

Regardless unlimited is not coming back so all the "It's my right to have unlimited data" whiners need to get over it.

I would state for the record that:

- the same thing was said about cellular voice.
- same thing was said about long distance (both cellular and landline).
- same thing was said about email (yes, at one point, people tried to charge for email).
- same thing was said about dialup internet (remember, they charged for dialup minutes at first).

When GTE was charging $1.00/minute, that dwindled real fast. That's one example. But the point is that tiered pricing can't and won't last for something that is as close to a utility as data access is.

If cell companies were smart they'd do what the cable/DSL providers do with the land service - charge based on given speed limiting. People don't balk at that as much as long as the prices make sense.

I pay $30/month for "unlimited" right now with VZW. I would pay $50, no questions asked, for 10 up / 10 down, because that's plenty for a mobile data access tier. My home connection is $100/month and it's 50 down /20 up, so I think my price is more than fair considering how much lower it is.

Create tiers such as

MAX $100
10 / 10 $50
5 / 5 $30
3 / 1 $20
1 / 1 $15

And throttle it at the source. Give people fairly priced choices, and they wouldn't care as much.

Offer a "no data" option that effectively disables all but Wi-Fi and/or Bluetooth, for those who simply don't anticipate needing it. Should be completely free since it costs them nothing to block data.

Offer a "pay-per-minute" plan that costs like $5/month and then the 45 cents/minute or whatever above that. I'd be all over that plan.

I guarantee you that a day will come when the idea of "tiered" will be one of those long forgotten things you tell your kids about. Like dialing 10-10-811 before calling long distance, for example. Or pay phones.

And throttle the speed based on the tier selected. That way,

Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 15:43:40 EDT

tc1uscg posted :

said by ssavoy:

T-Mobile has great potential just very limited coverage. I just switched yesterday and am getting 40ms pings and downloads around 15mbps on HSPA+. If they expanded their footprint they could easily be a competitor. WiFi calling/SMS is a great feature as well.

T-mo isn't for everyone but their faux-G is definitely on-par with Verizon LTE where it exists.

Potential, having been around since 94 (Voice Stream), if they haven't figured it out by now, I wouldn't hold your breath. :D

Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 15:39:04 EDT

horseathalt7 posted : said by Twaddle :
ATT illegally canceled their contracts and forced them to a metered situation. If I buy goods and services that offer a set of specification, capacities etc. at a set price then by god I want those specifications at that price. That is not whining that is standing up for your rights. If ATT couldn't sustain an unlimited offering they should not have offered it in the first place.

By golly what AT&T did constitutes FRAUD!

Nothing more nothing less.

The fine should be 10x higher and like others have said the refund should be clearly explained so that customers know they have been defrauded by the company.

Also like others have said AT&T should be forced to reinstate unlimited data to those who were coerced to change to metered.

Further more Randall Stephenson should be personally be penalized 50% of his entire compensation for the past several years. Which will go into a general fund for refunds for the affected customers.

Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 14:45:34 EDT

zippoboy7 posted : Way to only read the first line of my post, if you were not a telco shill you would clearly see where I said Unlimited IS NOT DEAD, you just have to know how to work the system to get it. And why should I leave my unlimited plans? They work fine and I can still get the new every 2 with my Verizon account.

Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 14:41:13 EDT

Skippy25 posted : Well lets think about this......

$30 a month for X number of users for unlimited bandwidth.

What is X in this equation: 1,000,000's, 10's of 1,000,000's? Really why is it we cant expected a company that takes in hundreds of millions of dollars a month with that price point to sustain unlimited bandwidth? Sprint does it, T-Moble does it. How are those little guys able to do it when the big guys arent?

Keep in mind that their limit is not bandwidth utilization by the GB, it is bandwidth usage by the GB. Thus you can certainly continue to utilize that network well into the unlimited usage range if you are willing to continue to pay the premium. Then suddenly all is OK. So if you want to pay more use unlimited all you want, even saturate their network utilization it is OK with them.

All of unlimited problems can be solved in 1 of 4 ways.
1.) Upgrade your network with all that cash you are hording.
2.) Increase your prices to lessen demand for your services.
3.) Do nothing and let the network deteriorate to a point that people are unhappy and leave thus freeing up additional space for those that stay.
4.) Combination of the 3.

Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 14:16:10 EDT

Crookshanks posted : Because they subsidize next to nothing on a tablet, compared to hundreds on a smart phone?

Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 13:32:29 EDT

Simba7 posted :

said by aaronwt:

yes profits are 2x to 3x higher on cellular than what they have over their wired netork.

..which is why they won't upgrade their wired network to fiber. The profit is in wireless, even though you can't go near the speeds.

But people are willing to pay for it. *sigh*

Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 13:30:26 EDT

aaronwt posted :

said by BF69:

said by aaronwt:

I'm still on unlimited data with Verizon Wireless on my 4G phone. The last couple of months I used 18GB and 12GB.

And I'm still on unlimited data from FIOS at home. But I use several terabytes a month. If Verizon FiOS can do unlimited data for only $60 a month, with more than 100X the data I use from cellular, then Verizon Wireless should have no issue with unlimited data for the $30 a month they are charging me.

Data is extremely cheap. And the prices keep getting lower and lower. So even if they kept charging the same amount thier profit margins would still continue to rise.

You should realize there is a HUGE difference between FIBER and cellular.

yes profits are 2x to 3x higher on cellular than what they have over their wired netork.

Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 13:28:13 EDT

Simba7 posted :

said by BF69:

I also agree that it's a tad unreasonable to expect unlimited data consumption for 30 dollars a month

Hell my CABLE internet connection doesn't even offer unlimited data anymore and that cost $50 a month. How anyone things that cellular is going to offer unlimited for $30 a month is beyond me.

If they kept the caps about 1/8 of what a typical cable company allows (~25GB/mo), people would probably drop bitching.

I have unlimited data on Optimum West, so I'm not bitching at all. All I use my smartphone for is to stream Slacker or Pandora and sometimes as a hotspot (emergencies only). I do have ST, though.
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Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 13:26:50 EDT

Rambo76098 posted : Just because you have unlimited data doesn't mean you're going to use gobs of it. In fact, a study of the top 5% of tiered and unlimited users found they consume almost exactly the same.

»bgr.com/2012/02/23/throttling-un···y-finds/

Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 13:18:00 EDT

Simba7 posted :

said by BF69:

Come to MY area and use your t-mobile phone and see what kind of speeds you get.

Better yet, come to my area and see if you can even connect.

Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 13:02:51 EDT

NeoandGeo posted :

said by BF69:

They could easily do it. I believe they could offer unlimited 4G through light throttling of all users speeds so that everyone gets a fair share of the pipe. The only reason they went to metered is because it makes them more money, not because of bandwidth constraints since there are intelligent ways to deal with that.

Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 12:57:07 EDT

patt2k posted :

said by BF69:

said by osravens:

So that's why T-Mobile just switched to unlimited 4G data?

T-mobile has ZERO 4G.

T-mobile has a MUCH smaller marketshare than at&T Verizon.

T-mobile will find out quickly how unsustainable unlimited it.

T-mobile customers will find to how having everyone using unimited bogs down the network.

I think $50 for 1GB is less sustainable for data than unlimited. You can get away with that in a market with shiny show toys, not a maturing one with saturation.

There isn't a $50 charge for 1GB of data.

Until you can actually accept some FACTS there is no point trying to discuss anything with you.

This guy actually likes metered data... I am with Verizon have 5 phones with 12 gb plan most we used was about 8 but that doesn't change the fact that having unlimited means you can use your smartphone for what it's made to use the freaking internet much more.

Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 12:41:54 EDT

BF69 posted :

said by ssavoy:

All I need explained is, if the minutes and texting are truly included with the data, why are smartphones $30 *more* per month than tablets?

Ask Verizon but that's the device fee. The "data" part CLEARLY includes minutes and texting. It's in the pic I posted. Also if you go to the website and choose just a tablet or hotspot or usb dongle and choose a data plan that does NOT include minutes or texting the data is $30 cheaper. For example 4 GB data on Share Everything with a phone is $70 and included unlimited minutes and texting with just a tablet with no minutes or texting it's $30. So if the price difference is $40 and the only change is the lack of minutes and texting then MATH and COMMON SENSE tells you that minutes and texting are priced at $40.

Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 12:35:07 EDT

ssavoy posted : All I need explained is, if the minutes and texting are truly included with the data, why are smartphones $30 *more* per month than tablets?

Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 12:33:06 EDT

BF69 posted :

said by ssavoy:

I already explained this to him the other day and he couldn't comprehend it. He's sticking to the pro-Verizon pricing scheme.

I don't need explaining. actually READING what the plan offers tells you. I can't help it if simple reading and math is beyond your comprehension. 2+2 does NOT equal 5 no matter how badly you want it to be true.

Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 12:29:45 EDT

BF69 posted :

said by zippoboy7:

Its funny that you say that (and the fact that you always jump to the defense of these company's)

Show me proof at&T and Verizon have plans to bring back unlimited data within the text few years when ALL indicators are that they intened on getting rid of it. WTF do you think this case is about. Geesh!

And I'm not defending anyone. I speaking common sense. You don't like Verizon's or at&t pricing and plans LEAVE and go with someone else. And that is bad advice..... why?

Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 12:25:31 EDT

BF69 posted :

said by buddahbless:

Please Show your proof that unlimited is not sustainable

Please show me proof how Verizon can offer unlimited 4G data to 92 million customers with a mere 10 MHz of spectrum on download and 10 MHz on upload.

Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 12:25:22 EDT

ssavoy posted : I already explained this to him the other day and he couldn't comprehend it. He's sticking to the pro-Verizon pricing scheme.

Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 12:24:33 EDT

zippoboy7 posted :

said by BF69:

Regardless unlimited is not coming back so all the "It's my right to have unlimited data" whiners need to get over it.

Its funny that you say that (and the fact that you always jump to the defense of these company's), considering the fact that I can use my business account (I don't have a business) to get Unlimited data on either a phone or a hotspot from any of the major providers (Verizon, ATT, Sprint) for around the same price people pay for the caped junk with overages and with no throttle. Just because you think unlimited data has gone away and not coming back does not make it true, the fact is it is alive and well if you know how to get it.

Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 12:23:01 EDT

BF69 posted :

said by osravens:

If $30 for 2GB is a ripoff, then what is $60? Because that's what you'll pay Verizon now.

Verizon doubled their prices, and we as consumers are just supposed to take it.

Actually $60 also includes unlimited minutes and texting which is a $40 value. So the 2 GB is actually $20. People should actually read what the plan includes before talking.

Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 12:22:52 EDT

ssavoy posted : T-Mobile has great potential just very limited coverage. I just switched yesterday and am getting 40ms pings and downloads around 15mbps on HSPA+. If they expanded their footprint they could easily be a competitor. WiFi calling/SMS is a great feature as well.

T-mo isn't for everyone but their faux-G is definitely on-par with Verizon LTE where it exists.

Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 12:21:15 EDT

BF69 posted :

said by aaronwt:

You should realize there is a HUGE difference between FIBER and cellular.

Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 12:18:51 EDT

BF69 posted :

said by osravens:

Apparently you've never seen the FACTS of a Verizon Share Everything plan. It is indeed $50 for 1GB.

»www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/plan···erything

Actually I HAVE seen it. The $50 includes unlimited minutes and texting. which are in fact a $40 value. Funny you post a link and you FAIL at reading the info. Take a look at the pic I posted. See where the minutes and texting are INCLUDED with the data? Also if you go to your link you will see the data pricing for just a tablet to just a Mi-fi and no calling or texting is $40 cheaper for the same amount of data. Thus minutes/texting is worth $40. So if Unlimited minutes/texting and 1 GB is $50 and minutes/texting is $40 the 1 GB data is actually $10.

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Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 12:12:34 EDT

BF69 posted :

said by WernerSchutz:

said by BF69:

said by osravens:

So that's why T-Mobile just switched to unlimited 4G data?

I think $50 for 1GB is less sustainable for data than unlimited. You can get away with that in a market with shiny show toys, not a maturing one with saturation.

There isn't a $50 charge for 1GB of data.

Until you can actually accept some FACTS there is no point trying to discuss anything with you.

I am on the unlimited TMo 4G. Kicks ass, downloaded about 15 GB with ZERO issues and no complaints from TMo. Who should I believe, my lying eyes or someone off the Internet ?

Come to MY area and use your t-mobile phone and see what kind of speeds you get.

Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 11:53:12 EDT

Selenia posted :

said by aaronwt:

Sorry but you are naive. You were comparing a direct fiber line to your home to cellular, provided over a finite and public resource called spectrum. There is only so many who can share 5-10 MHz channels and only a certain frequency range that is practical for covering areas. Now take out what's needed for other communications and split the rest between carriers at expensive auctions. Sure, there is room for carriers to increase cell density, but that is a huge financial and political investment that will see diminishing returns as traffic explodes. Other than speed, technology such as LTE can cram more users on a channel, using advanced modulation techniques, MIMO, and better signalling protocols. Still, there is an upper limit to this. With fiber, you're only limited by the backbone interconnects and headend equipment. To add insane capacity, just add more fiber to the bundle.
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Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 11:48:51 EDT

ke4pym posted :

said by osravens:

If $30 for 2GB is a ripoff, then what is $60? Because that's what you'll pay Verizon now.

Verizon doubled their prices, and we as consumers are just supposed to take it.

I pay $60/mo for 3G unlimited on my mobile data card.

Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 11:48:49 EDT

buddahbless posted :

said by BF69:

Anyone that think cell phone companies can offer unlimited 4G data for $30 is both obtuse and naive. That being said at&t should have juts let these unlimited customers finish out their contracts before getting them off unlimited.
Regardless unlimited is not coming back so all the "It's my right to have unlimited data" whiners need to get over it.

Naive and obtuse is when someone speaks without being fully informed which bf69 you may have just demonstrated. Just remember " Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt" A. Lincoln

Please Show your proof that unlimited is not sustainable especially with all the restrictions that are now carried on top of "unlimited". Also there you go running off your mouth without reading, As I said unlimited data No where did I or anyone say 4G ( in reference to speeds or tech). If you knew the details most original unlimited users were 3G. Theres no reason ATT or any competitor can not retain there unlimited customers on the plans they were offered with all the restrictions that are in place and some they have yet to enforce. Not to mention ATT still offers Unlimited 3G plans for feature phones on there prepaid accounts. That alone shows its sustainable.

Sure there is a loophole for everything Easily done by ATT to offer those unlimited customers new 4G equipped phones (LTE or HSPA) but throttle there accounts to 3G speeds leaving them still unlimited, and there would almost be no complaints from the FCC. that I believe most customers would see as a fair compromise, ATT to customers: "No you can not have 30mbps LTE unlimited but well give you 3mbps, ether take it or upgrade." thats the compromise.

PS I rack up on average 7.5 GB a month on TMO using my dualcore phone w free tethering and they have never cut me off or said peep.
Also a Friend of mine uses his ATT Iphone 4 on ATT $50 prepaid plan, guess what they don't charge him per GB they just throttle the hell out of his connection, but its still unlimited!

Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 11:43:44 EDT

osravens posted : If $30 for 2GB is a ripoff, then what is $60? Because that's what you'll pay Verizon now.

Verizon doubled their prices, and we as consumers are just supposed to take it.

Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 11:35:48 EDT

djrobx posted :

Hell my CABLE internet connection doesn't even offer unlimited data anymore and that cost $50 a month. How anyone things that cellular is going to offer unlimited for $30 a month is beyond me.

No if one wants to argue about the caps being too low that's legit argument to have. But anyone that's still on the "we deserve unlimited" camp they aren't paying with a full deck.

I'm OK with limits. They need to be fairly priced though. Do you remember how cellular data cost before the unlimited plans came to exist? We'd still be stuck with per MB charges if it weren't for the proliferation of unlimited options.

We've had unlimited hardwired internet for over a decade now. The only reason that's not "sustainable" is that all major ISPs are now TV providers, and streaming video is threatening the pay TV cash cow.

Unlimited data has fueled innovation over the last decade in both wired and wireless. As data consumption goes up, providers have figured out ways to meet the demand.

AT&T grandfathers unlimited because they know people will run to Verizon without it. Clearly they feel they're making money off those customers. They'd just like to make more.
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Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 11:31:08 EDT

osravens posted :

Apparently you've never seen the FACTS of a Verizon Share Everything plan. It is indeed $50 for 1GB.

»www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/plan···erything

Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 11:29:44 EDT

aaronwt posted : I'm still on unlimited data with Verizon Wireless on my 4G phone. The last couple of months I used 18GB and 12GB.

And I'm still on unlimited data from FIOS at home. But I use several terabytes a month. If Verizon FiOS can do unlimited data for only $60 a month, with more than 100X the data I use from cellular, then Verizon Wireless should have no issue with unlimited data for the $30 a month they are charging me.

Data is extremely cheap. And the prices keep getting lower and lower. So even if they kept charging the same amount thier profit margins would still continue to rise.

Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 11:27:28 EDT

ke4pym posted : I'm going to vote with my wallet.

Should the time come that I can no longer keep the unlimited data plan on my phone, I'll just go back to a flip phone.

Sure, the smartphone has a lot of neat gizmos. But I lived without them before. I can do it again. $30 for 2GB is a rip off in my opinion.

Should the time come that I can no longer keep my unlimited plan on my mobile data card, then I'll just turn that off.

$90 + taxes and fees BAM back into my bank account!

And, for the record, anyone who thinks these giant companies who are sitting on hoards of cash AND spectrum can't offer unlimited need to do a little more research, and sell off some of your stocks.

Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 11:19:07 EDT

WernerSchutz posted :

said by BF69:

said by osravens:

So that's why T-Mobile just switched to unlimited 4G data?

I think $50 for 1GB is less sustainable for data than unlimited. You can get away with that in a market with shiny show toys, not a maturing one with saturation.

There isn't a $50 charge for 1GB of data.

Until you can actually accept some FACTS there is no point trying to discuss anything with you.

I am on the unlimited TMo 4G. Kicks ass, downloaded about 15 GB with ZERO issues and no complaints from TMo. Who should I believe, my lying eyes or someone off the Internet ?

Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 11:09:33 EDT

BF69 posted :

said by wingrider01:

said by Network Guy:

said by BF69:

Regardless unlimited is not coming back so all the "It's my right to have unlimited data" whiners need to get over it.

Thank God for a competitive market and urban areas serviced by several carriers. No need to whine, only vote with the wallet.

hope you like sprint or t-mobile

Well they offer "unlimited" right?

Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 11:08:23 EDT

BF69 posted :

said by Twaddle :

ATT illegally canceled their contracts and forced them to a metered situation. If I buy goods and services that offer a set of specification, capacities etc. at a set price then by god I want those specifications at that price. That is not whining that is standing up for your rights.

You don't read very well do you? Did you READ what I wrote? Obviously not. I already stated that at&t was wrong in getting rid of unlimited with people still under contract.

If ATT couldn't sustain an unlimited offering they should not have offered it in the first place.

At&t and Verizon offered unlimited back when 4G didn't exist and in fact 3G wasn't even everywhere. Also very few people had smartphones and even those with smartphones, those phones had less capabilities to use data. Which part of that is hard for you to understand?

I also agree that it's a tad unreasonable to expect unlimited data consumption for 30 dollars a month

Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 11:02:13 EDT

wingrider01 posted :

said by Network Guy:

said by BF69:

Regardless unlimited is not coming back so all the "It's my right to have unlimited data" whiners need to get over it.

Thank God for a competitive market and urban areas serviced by several carriers. No need to whine, only vote with the wallet.

hope you like sprint or t-mobile

Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 11:01:25 EDT

wingrider01 posted : forsee the Verizon method of getting people of the discontinued data plan - want a full subsidized upgrade cost then dro off your unlimited plan, other then that pay full cost. Besides they did not disallow throttling, suspect it maybe slower from now on, no where in the original fcc disertation did it say they cannot throttle

Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 11:01:09 EDT

BF69 posted :

said by Network Guy:

said by BF69:

Regardless unlimited is not coming back so all the "It's my right to have unlimited data" whiners need to get over it.

Thank God for a competitive market and urban areas serviced by several carriers. No need to whine, only vote with the wallet.

That's right, just move on to another carrier and don't come to messageboards adn complain and threaten lawsuits in hopes of getting at&t and Verizon to switch back to unlimited.

Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 10:59:31 EDT

BF69 posted :

said by osravens:

So that's why T-Mobile just switched to unlimited 4G data?

I think $50 for 1GB is less sustainable for data than unlimited. You can get away with that in a market with shiny show toys, not a maturing one with saturation.

There isn't a $50 charge for 1GB of data.

Until you can actually accept some FACTS there is no point trying to discuss anything with you.

Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 10:59:19 EDT

Network Guy posted :

said by BF69:

Regardless unlimited is not coming back so all the "It's my right to have unlimited data" whiners need to get over it.

Thank God for a competitive market and urban areas serviced by several carriers. No need to whine, only vote with the wallet.

Re: Unlimited is not sustainable

Wed, 07 Nov 2012 10:47:01 EDT

anon posted : ATT illegally canceled their contracts and forced them to a metered situation. If I buy goods and services that offer a set of specification, capacities etc. at a set price then by god I want those specifications at that price. That is not whining that is standing up for your rights. If ATT couldn't sustain an unlimited offering they should not have offered it in the first place.
I also agree that it's a tad unreasonable to expect unlimited data consumption for 30 dollars a month but that's the reality of ATT's "grand-fathered" customers.