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Chinabound
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join:2002-12-21
Antioch, IL
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reply to norbert26

Re: Boiler heating pipes and extended power outage.

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Not knowing what kind of environment (neighborhood) you live in, is a wood burner a possibility?
I installed one down in the basement which will be used in the event of an extended outage during the winter season. About seven winters ago in our last house, we lost power for more than 40 hours during a strong snowstorm. In these parts, a strong storm is typically followed by a very windy cold snap that cuts through you like a razor blade. Shortly after that storm, I installed my grandparent's decades old Ashley wood burner in the basement. My wife and daughter (a toddler at the time) were miserable, and I wasn't going to let something like that happen again. I won't live without one ready to go anymore.
They make many convenient styles these days (very suitable for a cottage), and for not a lot of money.

As for your pipes down in the crawlspace - you can come up with something to keep them above freezing.
To solve a problem with an outdoor spigot that froze outside our walk-out basement, I merely opened the finished wall behind the spigot, sealed and insulated the area around the pipe, and placed a grill there. This allows warmer air of the basement to reach the pipe, and no cold air is getting in. It won't freeze again.

Yes, I cleaned the cob webs.


Lurch77
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join:2001-11-22
Oconto, WI
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Also check with your insurance company. Wood burning stoves are something they really dislike. You need to report you have one or want to get one and see what they have to say. A home just west of here had one in an attached garage. It caused a fire that burnt part of the garage, and insurance was denied. That was with State Farm.



Chinabound
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Antioch, IL
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I see you're turning into one of these nannies around here, too.

A properly installed wood burner isn't any more dangerous than any other form of heating. In an emergency (such as an extended power outage during an arctic cold snap), I've got an endless supply of wood around here to keep my house safe, and my family warm.

I haven't had to fire it up yet, and I may never have to, but it's there if we need it.



LazMan
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join:2003-03-26
canada

You're absolutely right - properly installed and maintained, wood burning appliances can be very safe... But if yours wasn't inspected and approved regularly by a WETT certified tech, and if your insurance isn't notified; you will be up shit creek if anything ever happened.

That ain't 'nanny' stuff; that's just a fact.



Chinabound
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Antioch, IL
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Thank you, but I've been around long enough to know how things work. I abide by all of my insurance regulations, right down to having our trampoline enclosed within our fence.

I gave the OP an idea to consider. Nothing more.



Lurch77
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Oconto, WI
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reply to Chinabound

Why would you assume I am a nanny because I point out an insurance issue? I love wood stoves. But many insurance companies do not. It is financially irresponsible to not check with your insurance company concerning it. I pointed out something I have witnessed and something that is well known in my field of work. Nothing more. I wasn't saying you or your stove isn't safe.



Jack_in_VA
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North, VA
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reply to LazMan

said by LazMan:

You're absolutely right - properly installed and maintained, wood burning appliances can be very safe... But if yours wasn't inspected and approved regularly by a WETT certified tech, and if your insurance isn't notified; you will be up shit creek if anything ever happened.

That ain't 'nanny' stuff; that's just a fact.

You have to be kidding? Inspected by a "Certified WETT Tech"? Canada must be regulated way more than we are here.

If that were the case all these fires caused by improper burning of candles would give the insurance companies an out. Not so. A wood burning appliance is much safer than say a fireplace.


Jack_in_VA
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North, VA
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reply to Lurch77

said by Lurch77:

Why would you assume I am a nanny because I point out an insurance issue? I love wood stoves. But many insurance companies do not. It is financially irresponsible to not check with your insurance company concerning it. I pointed out something I have witnessed and something that is well known in my field of work. Nothing more. I wasn't saying you or your stove isn't safe.

You state that many insurance companies do not like wood burning appliances. Which ones? How many have refused to pay a claim regarding a wood burning appliance? How many were challenged? What was the outcomes?

If you have witnessed this in your field of work you should have data you can post for the rest of us to consider as many of us here use wood either in a fireplace or wood burning appliance.


Lurch77
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Oconto, WI
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Listen, don't get stupid. I offered advice about checking with insurance. I wasn't telling people what to do. Ultimately I don't give a shit what you do. It's common knowledge in the HVAC industry. I'm not going to sit here and find specific details for you. If you want them, go get them. Do a web search for wood stoves and insurance to start you out. If I'd known you people were going to get so stupid over a bit of advice I'd have kept it to myself.



Chinabound
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Antioch, IL
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reply to Lurch77

Well, thank you for acknowledging that... but why do you and many other people feel the need to point out the obvious?
Inspections, permits, insurance regulations, etc.? They sour every conversation here. Of course... they are important, but do not need to be a part of any conversation in this forum unless specifically asked about.
I gave the man a couple of ideas to consider. That's all. He can take care of the requirements himself, as I did, and I assume you do too when it comes to your family and your home.

Just so people here know, Lurch and I are personal friends. We have plenty of respect for each other - at least I do of him. I wouldn't be telling him that he needs to do something I'm sure he already has done.



Jack_in_VA
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reply to Lurch77

said by Lurch77:

Listen, don't get stupid. I offered advice about checking with insurance. I wasn't telling people what to do. Ultimately I don't give a shit what you do. It's common knowledge in the HVAC industry. I'm not going to sit here and find specific details for you. If you want them, go get them. Do a web search for wood stoves and insurance to start you out. If I'd known you people were going to get so stupid over a bit of advice I'd have kept it to myself.

Asking for details to statements you made is "NOT BEING STUPID". People posting should be able to offer details or state that it is just their "opinion" and nothing else.

Being in the HVAC industry IMO does not qualify one to determine what insurance companies require or don't require. So if my questions are stupid (Your words) then so be it.

Perhaps if you were not willing to provide documentation you should have kept it to yourself. Unsubstantiated postings are just that.


norbert26
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join:2010-08-10
Warwick, RI
reply to Chinabound

In the case of a wood burning solution since there is no basement that would require it on the main floor. This would heat a few rooms due to the house layout. A better option on a wood burning theme is they used to have wood burning boilers. I imagine this could be tied into the existing heating pipes and distribute heat to each room as the existing gas boiler does now. However it too will require a genny to pump the water through the finned baseboards like the gas boiler. This leads us back to start with a basic genny for now and later go from there. As far as insurance they are heck but it shouldn't be an issue if whatever was installed was up to proper codes.



Lurch77
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Oconto, WI
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reply to Chinabound

edit: Not worth it. Sorry this needlessly detracted from your thread, norbert26.