Topic 'Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet' in forum 'Rogers' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27702921 en Sat, 18 May 2013 20:31:24 EDT Sat, 18 May 2013 20:31:24 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-28118453 said by Makaveli998:

true QoS for 150/10

Can you provide me of an example of what TRUE QOS test is suppose to look like so that I can run that test on this router?

True QoS is anything that you can configure to your network demands, such as prioritize certain packets over others, or certain port, IPs, DNS or anything like that. The QoS that was mentioned in this thread was WMM QoS, which is only for multimedia over wifi and thus cannot apply to http, gaming, P2P, or VoIP traffic.

Running true QoS takes too much of the CPU's resources that's why only a the most power routers have this feather to various degrees. RT-AC66U has an excellent QoS setup but like I said it may not be able to run at 150mbps with QoS on.

Also there are no tests, you have to set up QoS policies and if your router has the guts then it should be able to prioritize packets according to said policies. Only way to test it is to have two computers with different kinds of traffic and check if they are getting correct speeds and priority with respect to your policy. If your router's CPU is too slow at this process then your overall speed will be less as well such that the router's CPU can keep up otherwise there is no point in running QoS.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-28118453 Tue, 19 Mar 2013 19:46:48 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-28118107
Can you provide me of an example of what TRUE QOS test is suppose to look like so that I can run that test on this router?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-28118107 Tue, 19 Mar 2013 17:54:31 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-28114369 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-28114369 Mon, 18 Mar 2013 16:46:16 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-28113191 said by caca:

for now am getting the gt650 1gig video card so now what do i need to do for the qos

For QoS if you have the 150/10 I can't recommend a consumer grade router, what I will recommend is pfsense on a desktop machine with at least 1.5GHz CPU; 2.0GHz would be best (P4 and older Core 2 machines are really cheap these day).

But if you don't want to deal with setting up a pfsense machine then I'd say go for the most powerful consumer grade router, for example Asus RT-AC66U has a great easy to use QoS set-up process, that's something you should look at but again I can't comment on whether or not it can sustain 150mbps with QoS on a 0.6GHz CPU, my hunch tells me it cannot with a 0.6GHz CPU. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-28113191 Mon, 18 Mar 2013 11:07:54 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-28110511 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-28110511 Sun, 17 Mar 2013 10:08:24 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-28107472 said by caca:

no i need a new pc my old one is very slow now and mobo is screwed up its 6years old

In that case all you would need to add is a killer video card and you will have a serious gaming PC, 10 folds better than current consoles at that...if you are into gaming of course. I recommend GTX 670 or you could even get away with a 660Ti :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-28107472 Fri, 15 Mar 2013 22:51:57 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-28107215
Someone elsewhere mentioned Ultimate Fibre is GPON based and unlike Bell FTTH it doesn't use PPPoE. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-28107215 Fri, 15 Mar 2013 21:14:42 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-28107131 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-28107131 Fri, 15 Mar 2013 20:33:27 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-28106730 said by caca:

i will be looking at a new pc quad core i5 3570k w 8 gig ram and 1tb hd

I hope that's not for your router because there are a lot of better options and cheaper too.

I have the core 2 extreme because I simply upgraded to core i7 and so I just ended up using the my core 2 extreme system for pfsense, I had no other use for it. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-28106730 Fri, 15 Mar 2013 17:47:52 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-28106722 said by Makaveli998:

i'm on extreme plus on a DGL 4500 with QOS enable and its fine.

I was also at the 150/10 package for about 2 weeks until I decided I didn't need it and dropped to a lower package. And my DGL 4500 handle that speed fine aswell.

It has WMM QoS, its not really the kind of QoS you would want for 150/10. There is no way it can handle true QoS for 150/10, you have to realize the amount processing the CPU has to do really quickly to keep up with 150/10, if it can't then the speed will go down to whatever the CPU can keep up with, usually around 40-60mbps for those routers. No doubt its a good $200 router but that's not the point; it simply wasn't design to have true QoS for 150/10 therefore its hardware cannot support that, it can support 150/10 without QoS no problem. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-28106722 Fri, 15 Mar 2013 17:45:24 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-28106606 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-28106606 Fri, 15 Mar 2013 17:06:17 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-28105035
I was also at the 150/10 package for about 2 weeks until I decided I didn't need it and dropped to a lower package. And my DGL 4500 handle that speed fine aswell.

For the other poster just go to the Dlink site they have plenty of info on how to configure the router.

While a Machine using Pfsense will be more powerful the DGL 4500 isn't a $50 POS router. It was $200 on release and it should handle 150/10 without to much issue.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-28105035 Fri, 15 Mar 2013 10:12:10 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-28104801 said by caca:

i only have the hiltron with speeds of 150/10 i dont have it in bridge

said by Buddha2oo9:

I have a d-link router. (DGL-4500). How do you setup QoS properly? (That will at least solve the slowdown in the house).

Both don't have true QoS, they just have WMM QoS, which is hardly configurable. For the 150/10 you need a much more powerful router to run it properly, the best solution is pfsense on at least a 1.5GHz CPU.

I actually have my router on a core 2 extreme CPU with pfsense, its overkill I know, but I never have to worry about it being underpowered for anything. VPN, QoS, IPv6, 24/7 torrent server it will do anything without breaking a sweat.

But for the average Joe that has 150/10 you still need a powerful router if you want to run QoS otherwise you will not see 150/10. RT-AC66U or RT-N56U will work for anything less than 150/10 with DD-WRT or even the stock firmware since true QoS built in to the firmware but for the 150/10 you need a real powerful computer to do QoS for 150mbps because it requires too much resources and consumer grade hardware just doesn't have that horsepower. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-28104801 Fri, 15 Mar 2013 09:07:05 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-28102304 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-28102304 Thu, 14 Mar 2013 14:46:02 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-28101368 said by technocar2:

20gb is nothing... I'm uploading ~100gb everyday on my 10mbps, I did that even when they didn't have unlimited.

Wow! What do you upload for 22 hours everyday? I only ask because for my company, things get time sensitive so having the quick upload helps so much in my case.

I have a d-link router. (DGL-4500). How do you setup QoS properly? (That will at least solve the slowdown in the house).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-28101368 Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:10:43 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-28098942 said by caca:

and how do you set that qos properly? i have no idea and a noob

What kind of router/firmware are you using? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-28098942 Wed, 13 Mar 2013 16:24:03 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-28098924 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-28098924 Wed, 13 Mar 2013 16:20:01 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-28097511 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-28097511 Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:03:55 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-28097115 said by elwoodblues:

I'm not like some of the prissy commentators here who probably pay Rogers through the nose and only use it for web surfing and email.

I hear ya. I edit video and work with ProRes for my day-job. My Dropbox is syncing about 20 gigs daily (on really slow days) not to mention getting my source files, uploading my projects, plus the rest of the household has to deal with the slowdown when I'm killing all 10 mbit of my upload lol.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-28097115 Wed, 13 Mar 2013 08:52:47 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-28096477
I'm not like some of the prissy commentators here who probably pay Rogers through the nose and only use it for web surfing and email.

Linux Distros are getting bigger and i like to evaluate lots of them.
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Does anybody have any kind of insight about when they're going to roll this out towards Mississauga? lol .. This would be amazing for work purposes.

This is still considered a trial within the Forest Hill area of Toronto, so you can bet it's not coming to your neighbourhood anytime soon.

If you need fibre, I'm sure Rogers Business Services and a variety of other companies would be happy to lay fibre to your premises if you're willing to cough up the money. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-28095489 Tue, 12 Mar 2013 18:09:56 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-28095399 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-28095399 Tue, 12 Mar 2013 17:37:03 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27828583
With 250mbps, you will set your sights on bigger targets now that you have the technology to acquire them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27828583 Sun, 16 Dec 2012 15:05:30 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27826253 said by simon726:

I wonder what particular "equipment" Rogers utilizes for its Ultimate Fibre internet? I'm guessing the similar equipment that Bell uses for it's Fibe FTTH services.

It could also be similar to the one down in Ottawa's newest neighbourhood (aka "Sohowest", but it is now known as "Trailwest"). I found this here and here.

It's likely a similar system to Bell Fibe FTTH or FiOS. The deployments you've linked are all RFoG deployments and the speed of RFoG deployments is limited to the speed a DOCSIS modem can provide, therefore it is unlikely that the ultimate fibre uses RFoG as 4 bonded channels can't provide 250mbps on the upstream.

Also the Ultimate fibre service is supported through a different team which likely uses a different billing and provisioning system. One of the main selling features for MSOs to use RFoG is that they can utilize the same customer premise and back end equipment and systems. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27826253 Sat, 15 Dec 2012 15:04:35 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27826113
It could also be similar to the one down in Ottawa's newest neighbourhood (aka "Sohowest", but it is now known as "Trailwest"). I found this here and here.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27826113 Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:03:37 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27816519 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27816519 Thu, 13 Dec 2012 00:13:03 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27816435 said by tj_blues:

Are talking about "real" FTTH or RFoG (Rf over Glass)?

cheers

In my neighbourhood it's RFoG right now which I was disappointed with but doing 250 synchronous would most likely mean FTTH.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27816435 Wed, 12 Dec 2012 23:39:01 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27816412
cheers]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27816412 Wed, 12 Dec 2012 23:30:07 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27813745
»www.rogers.com/web/Rogers.portal···ts=hide#

226 per month with 500 GB cap.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27813745 Wed, 12 Dec 2012 11:47:48 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27787297 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27787297 Tue, 04 Dec 2012 13:35:32 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27773793 said by eeeaddict:

except that its free so in this case that may not be true

Regular consumers who aren't tech savvy will shop for their internet service by calling Rogers or visiting a retail outlet. You cannot sign up for 250/250 through any of those channels. You need to qualify yourself online and then someone from a special team contacts you to set everything up. The people who will sign up for this probably have heard of it through this website or another tech oriented website and are aware of what a GB is.

Also in the Toronto area, it is only deployed in a highly affluent area. Those with higher incomes usually won't just jump on something because it's free for the first year. They're often more interested in the long term costs. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27773793 Thu, 29 Nov 2012 22:08:07 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27773466 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27773466 Thu, 29 Nov 2012 21:31:33 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27773325 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27773325 Thu, 29 Nov 2012 19:39:17 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27773165 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27773165 Thu, 29 Nov 2012 18:43:56 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27773095 said by Haris567 :

said by Orthak:

said by elwoodblues :
Not to mention a cap that you can burn through in about 5 minutes.


I've never understood this logic.

So tell me this do you still use the same bandwidth you used in dial up days? This should be pretty obvious that the higher the speed the more the usage. Eg someone who watches YouTube videos in 360 might switch to 1080 when there is no buffer wait. That's just one out of countless ways your behavior changes when you have better speed. Others might get TV through Internet with better speeds. Like I said, our usage has come a long way from dial up days.

Exactly. Faster speeds mean you can do more data-intensive things in a shorter amount of time. This means you could be on the internet the same amount of time as you've always been but have used way more data than you would have before. It's not hard to understand but sadly many people aren't getting the correlation.

The incumbents get it, that is the very reason they are all too happy to increase speeds. It makes them look like they want to make your internet experience more pleasant and at the same time charge you for overages when you inevitably exceed their silly ever-shrinking caps.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27773095 Thu, 29 Nov 2012 18:21:37 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27770581 said by Orthak:

said by elwoodblues :
Not to mention a cap that you can burn through in about 5 minutes.


I've never understood this logic.

So tell me this do you still use the same bandwidth you used in dial up days? This should be pretty obvious that the higher the speed the more the usage. Eg someone who watches YouTube videos in 360 might switch to 1080 when there is no buffer wait. That's just one out of countless ways your behavior changes when you have better speed. Others might get TV through Internet with better speeds. Like I said, our usage has come a long way from dial up days.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27770581 Thu, 29 Nov 2012 01:30:50 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27748574 250GB).

On the old plan we would always be in the same range as we are now. Getting very close if not going over.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27748574 Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:17:35 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27737380 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27737380 Sat, 17 Nov 2012 16:06:01 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27728748 said by Orthak:

said by elwoodblues :
Not to mention a cap that you can burn through in about 5 minutes.


I've never understood this logic.
The only way more bandwidth would be consumed, is if you spent more time downloading and surfing the internet. In which case, why do you believe your habits would change because of faster internet?

I posted the comment on the front page article as well.

If you sprang a leak, left to seed popular torrent, hacked/opened router, video game patcher left to seed to others, ect ect.

250 MBps can do some serious damage in a capped environment.
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rogers - why
me - ur scum since your internet is unaffordable to the canadian consumer
rogers - ok
me - bye rogers. never have been your customer]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27728731 Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:18:41 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27727481 said by eeeaddict:

how much will the new package cost?

This is a beta product right now, so only beta testers will know. It's free for the first year if you live in the beta testing area. They should see the monthly service fee charged and credited on their bill for the first year. CSRs will have no clue on pricing either as the product codes are not visible to them and the product is supported by an entirely separate department at this time. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27727481 Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:00:53 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27726750 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27726750 Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:09:27 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27726066 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27726066 Wed, 14 Nov 2012 09:37:51 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27726046 I do say though with the faster speeds get pretty closes at my max 250Gb limits.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27726046 Wed, 14 Nov 2012 09:34:53 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27719196 said by TheFerret:

Lets say you want to see something that is 500MB and takes 12 hours to download, you would download it over those 12 hrs and not do much with your connection. Now, lets say it takes 2 hrs to download the same thing, which means after those 2 hours, you would watch that thing and then want to watch something else. This means that you would use a lot more bandwidth with a faster connection than a slower one. Overall, it's the same bandwidth but you can do so much more over the same period of time comparing fast bandwidth to slow. This is how much more bandwidth gets used when you have faster internet.

Except that has drastically diminishing returns over a certain speed, where consuming the content starts to take longer than downloading it does.

Under ideal conditions, the slowest connection Rogers offers will download a TV show (in HD) in under half the time it takes to watch it. Under ideal conditions, the 2nd slowest connection they've got will download a full Blu-ray rip in less time than it takes to watch.

We're well past that point for small households, as far as downstream goes.

Multi-user households (that don't share the same taste in media content) might not be there yet, but there's still a point where the connection becomes fast enough that the time it takes to consume what they download is longer than the time it takes to download it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27719196 Mon, 12 Nov 2012 10:39:03 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27713801 --
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500GB data cap.

Pathetic for what it'll cost.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27713642 Fri, 09 Nov 2012 23:29:28 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27713465 said by elwoodblues :
Not to mention a cap that you can burn through in about 5 minutes.


I've never understood this logic.

Let us assume a test file, a video clip 500MB in size. You will consume the exact same amount of bandwidth downloading that 500MB video file at 31.25 MBps (250 Mbps) as you would downloading it at say 5.6 MBps (45 Mbp) only you will do so, much faster.

The same goes with web-surfing. One can assume your YouTube viewing habits will remain the same. The only difference being, you will load those YouTube video's a lot faster, but it certainly does not mean you somehow consume more bandwidth.

Let me put it in these terms. Take a cereal bowl and a drinking straw. Then take exactly 1 cup of water. Using a funnel, poor the water down the straw into the bowl and time how long it takes to get all the water into the bowl. Repeat the same experiment but instead of using a drinking straw, use say a toilet paper roll. Time how long it takes to get the water into the bowl. The exact same 1 cup of water is getting from point A to point B, only using the toilet paper roll will allow more water to flow through thus reducing the time it takes.

Now, unless I have been mislead in my understanding of how bandwidth works, I don't see where the extra bandwidth consumption would come from. The only way more bandwidth would be consumed, is if you spent more time downloading and surfing the internet. In which case, why do you believe your habits would change because of faster internet?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27713465 Fri, 09 Nov 2012 21:58:53 EDT Re: Rogers "Ultimate Fibre" internet http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27710026 said by MichelR:

Tell me exactly 500Gb of what you would download in 5 minutes? If you download 500Gb of movies, you still have to watch them...

Many families today have multiple devices connecting from their homes to the Internet via wifi. Devices like iPhones, iPads, Tablets, etc.

Bandwidth utilization can add up pretty fast with many active devices all doing their thing.

5 minutes is a straw-man :)
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Not to mention a cap that you can burn through in about 5 minutes.

Tell me exactly 500Gb of what you would download in 5 minutes? If you download 500Gb of movies, you still have to watch them...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Rogers-quotUltimate-Fibrequot-internet-27710020 Fri, 09 Nov 2012 05:40:45 EDT