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catbrat90

join:2007-08-10
Cincinnati, OH

Windows 8 Mail Issue Road Runner

I bought Windows 8 and installed it this morning to find out that microsoft took out all support for POP email. It supports these mail protocol's IMAP and EAS only. Called Time Warner Cable support they confirmed that as well and said that Time Warner Cable had no official response and I would either would have to use their web page or third party email program.

etaadmin

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said by catbrat90:

I bought Windows 8 and installed it this morning to find out that microsoft took out all support for POP email. It supports these mail protocol's IMAP and EAS only. Called Time Warner Cable support they confirmed that as well and said that Time Warner Cable had no official response and I would either would have to use their web page or third party email program.

More reasons for not buying W8.

I use Thunderbird as my email client perhaps if you use a third party email client you can get the compatibility that you need? I know the current TB is not compatible with W8

»forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic···=2552303

I have a bunch of programs that will not work in W8 like my Icom PCR2500 computer interface. For me it will be very hard/absurd to migrate to W8.


dcurrey
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reply to catbrat90
Another work around is create Gmail account setup imap on it. Setup W8 to work with this. Then forward all mail to gmail account.

You can setup gmail to have you RR account as return address also so you won't have to give out the gmail address itself.

What was MS thinking removing pop email functions?


banditws6
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reply to catbrat90
Mozilla Thunderbird works with POP accounts in Windows 8, no problem. Of course, official development on it has ceased, but it's still my email client of choice. Thunderbird 16 is perfectly compatible with Windows 8; of course it runs in the Classic Desktop environment but that's where you'll probably be spending most of your time on a desktop PC anyway, unless you're new to this whole computer thing.

The built-in "Metro Mail" in Windows 8 works in a pinch but is really half-baked. You can't even right-click on a link in an email to copy the shortcut and paste it into your brower of choice (it always opens in Metro IE) nor can you see where a link is going to go before you click it. The interface is also maddening to use with a mouse and keyboard -- though on a Surface it feels fine. (Are you noticing a trend here?)
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catbrat90

join:2007-08-10
Cincinnati, OH
It sounds like Mozilla Thunderbird is the best choice for now. Until either Time Warner Cable gets an IMAP server or Microsoft releases an update to put POP back in the email program. Thanks for the response's.


OSUGoose

join:2007-12-27
Columbus, OH
reply to catbrat90
WRONG! Windows 8's default "Windows Live Mail" esque program doesn't support POP, you made it sound like the OS it self doesn't support POP. You have to bear in mind, W8 is Microsoft Account focused. So sign up for a free Outlook.com account, and configure that to check RR, you can even create a folder for the RR email and send from the RR email address (from outlook.com or outlook program for the From RR feature).


OSUGoose

join:2007-12-27
Columbus, OH
reply to dcurrey
MS didn't remove POP functions in the OS, only the freebee mail client. Install/use outlook if POP was that big of a deal. The freebee Windows Live Mail never reliability worked for POP anyways.


OSUGoose

join:2007-12-27
Columbus, OH
reply to banditws6
Yea but a nice feature Metro Mail adds is EAS, since its tablet-centric OS. I can finally now sync my school's email/contacts/calendar on my personal laptop. Tho they are going to be migrating to Live @ EDU/ Office 365 soon, but their "soon" is as bad as AT&T's or VZ's "soon".


banditws6
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said by OSUGoose:

Yea but a nice feature Metro Mail adds is EAS, since its tablet-centric OS. I can finally now sync my school's email/contacts/calendar on my personal laptop. Tho they are going to be migrating to Live @ EDU/ Office 365 soon, but their "soon" is as bad as AT&T's or VZ's "soon".

Yeah, EAS was a critical feature-add to Metro Mail since on the Surface RT there is no ARM-compatible version of Outlook available. Once I get a Surface I'll surely be using Metro Mail for that reason alone if nothing else.

I will say that Metro Mail got me to see the writing on the wall for POP and switch my email server to IMAP; can't believe I didn't do it sooner. I still use T-Bird but I like having Metro Mail hooked into my account so I can utilize the Windows 8 notification system.


OSUGoose

join:2007-12-27
Columbus, OH
Yea I was surprised when I could add a EAS, as its been one of my biggest gripes as I could never get any hack to get Outlook to talk to the EAS. I don't think RR will ever move to IMAP, tho it would be a lot more secure and useful for their subs, thus bad for them ,lol.

catbrat90

join:2007-08-10
Cincinnati, OH
reply to OSUGoose
OSUGoose The mail program that comes installed in the comuter does not support POP. I do not and ever liked third party internet and email applications I have always have had issues with them. Microsoft did remove pop functality in their program. You can get it back by installing a third party app like discoused in the forum. By the way OSUGoose Road Runner would be forced to upgrade to IMAP becuase majority of the people use microsoft computers and most use the default applications like Internet Explorer and Windows Live mail. But their are some that will install other browsers and mail applications. It is just how slow they choose to upgrade their servers.


OSUGoose

join:2007-12-27
Columbus, OH
No RR would NOT be forced to upgrade. They will say they still offer access via webmail.

You do know that the installed default program is designed for you to use THEIR service, not a 3rd party's. You can use another MICROSOFT program called Outlook if POP is that drastically needed. Or Microsoft will suggest you create a FREE Outlook.com account, if you don't already have a Windows LIVE ID or Microsoft Account, and use the "Connect to 3rd Party POP" feature to have that check RR and even sort it into its own folder.

You said yourself that Microsoft dominates this market, thus they don't need to do anything about adding POP to Metro Mail. You will either do what I've suggested twice or blow twice the money on Apple either way Microsoft wins. As you'll end up buying Office for Mac to use their stuff your familiar with.

catbrat90

join:2007-08-10
Cincinnati, OH
If Road Runner does not upgrade their servers than I might actually have to consider switching to mac. I hope they do because macs cost a lot of money.

Fleeced

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Or you could download the free program already mentioned (Thunderbird) and quit blaming RR who has nothing to do with Microsoft's POP support or lack thereof.

Mele20
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reply to OSUGoose
My new computer with Win 8 Pro (UGH- couldn't order a Win 7 Pro computer with the hardware I wanted) will be here next week. It is a desktop and Microsoft was crazy to put Metro on desktops (athough I think it is fine for tablets and even laptops). Anyways, it comes with a mandatory OEM trial of Office for Home and Students. That has Outlook that supports POP but Outlook, unlike Outlook Express that I have used since 1999, does NOT support Multiple Identities. I think one reason Microsoft didn't include POP support in Metro email client is because the the OEMs are putting Office for Home and Student as a trial on almost all new Win 8 computers and Microsoft and the OEMs probably figure more will buy the software ($115) if it has POP 3 support. I don't think Microsoft just forgot POP 3 on Metro...this was deliberate to sell more Office software...especially to those of us coming from XP Pro because our versions of Word will not work on Win 8).

Thunderbird supports Multiple Identities (I have 6 RR email accounts and 3 others). SeaMonkey builtin mail client does also. I just asked in Sea Monkey News Group if SM supports Windows 8 because it doesn't mention Windows 8 on its hardware requirements page. I was met with some hostility (only an ass would get Windows 8 and why should us developers support that awful OS) but then others said it works fine on Win 8 which means it's builtin mail client, which is very nice, should also work on Win 8 (Desktop...not Metro).

There is also Claws and Postbox3 that work on Windows 8 and are popular mail clients. I may try both of them. I know a lot of folks like Claws. Postbox3 is probably too socially oriented for my taste but some might really like it.

The one thing I will NOT do is use RR webmail which is HORRIBLE for many reasons. A major one is who wants to have to type their user name and password for 6 accounts MANY TIMES A DAY? That is crazy. Web mail is for when you travel. Otherwise, you need a real mail client. Plus, why should I look at crappy ads? I have always, since I got RR in 2001, hated RR webmail. It is not even needed as one can check all mail accounts (including non RR ones) from mail2web.com for free when traveling.
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catbrat90

join:2007-08-10
Cincinnati, OH
reply to Fleeced
jmruss Most providers have an IMAP Server including Cincinnati Bell which does not nearly make as much money as Time Warner Cable. Microsoft also releases information about their product to vendors so they can make adjustments or new software before it comes out to the consumer market so in a way I do blame Time Warner Cable but most of my frustration is aimed at Microsoft.


OSUGoose

join:2007-12-27
Columbus, OH
reply to Mele20
Clarify what you mean by Multiple Identities. As I've configured Outlook to check several POPs before.


OSUGoose

join:2007-12-27
Columbus, OH
reply to catbrat90
Microsoft doesn't give a shit how other email providers work. They have their own email (Hotmail/Live/Outlook.com) and email services (EAS). No one bitches that Google makes you create a gMail account on their Androids, and the POP support of Android blows too.

Fleeced

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My grapevine is giving rumors of TWC finally dropping the road runner brand and switching to a nationwide email of some sort with one domain, which would be why they haven't bent to one operating system's lack of pop support in their free client.

Seriously, there are many other ways to get around this, and you chose to blame the one company that really doesn't have anything to do with it.


Racerbob
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reply to Mele20
Mele20. Haven't you heard of adblocking extensions ? I see no ads. Anywhere.

I only use my RR e mail account for one thing. That is for official Time Warner business (bill paying confirmation) and communication. So I use their webmail for that. Otherwise, I am using a combination of Hotmail and Outlook.com addresses. I configured Windows Mail from Vista to run on my Windows 7 for a couple accounts. Hey...I like it ! For the other accounts I use the webmail for Outlook and Hotmail. I see no ads there also. I also have Yahoo mail account that I have had for years. Need that for all of the junk I register for on the net.


hobgoblin
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reply to Fleeced
"My grapevine is giving rumors of TWC finally dropping the road runner brand and switching to a nationwide email of some sort with one domain,"

Interesting grapevine. With multiple domains it's entirely possible that there are 20 John@rr.xx.com. Which one will get John@new.domain.com.

Hob
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Matt7

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reply to OSUGoose
said by OSUGoose:

Clarify what you mean by Multiple Identities. As I've configured Outlook to check several POPs before.

Outlook Express from many years ago allowed you to set up what was called "Identities" in the client that kept each mail account inbox separate.. You would go under file > switch identity and could switch to say your "wife's mailbox" she would have her own inbox/sent/etc.. separate from the other identity setup so the mail does not come into one screen.


OSUGoose

join:2007-12-27
Columbus, OH
Um, a lot simpler. Separate User Account to log into the PC. Your complaining about things that the OS isn't designed to do.

Mele20
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said by OSUGoose:

Um, a lot simpler. Separate User Account to log into the PC. Your complaining about things that the OS isn't designed to do.

Excuse me but it is my impression that XP is a Microsoft OS and it is set up BY MICROSOFT to do Multiple Identities in Oulook Express which is a PART OF THE OS. A Microsoft MVP specializing in OE set up a free OETool years ago to switch identities (and do many other things in OE) much faster than File/Identities/Switch Identities.

I'm pissed because I couldn't buy a Win 7 Pro machine so I would have OE in XP that is part of Win 7 Pro. Thunderbird has always had Multiple Identities like OE. I had Thunderbird years ago but it insisted then on using a garish blue font when you went to reply instead of black for text of the email you were replying to. It also insisted on italicizing that text so it was irritating and difficult to read. Opera Mail is the same way since Opera 12...Horrible garish blue font that can't be changed. Maybe Thunderbird now allows all black font with normal font for the text of the email you are replying to...I don't know. I hated those colors even if I could changed the garish blue to a nice green. I want all black, no italicizing.

Why would you suggest that I set up SIX USER ACCOUNTS for the OS so I could keep my email Identities separate? How could you possibly fathom for even one second that would be easier? Geeez....
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Mele20
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said by OSUGoose:

Microsoft doesn't give a shit how other email providers work. They have their own email (Hotmail/Live/Outlook.com) and email services (EAS). No one bitches that Google makes you create a gMail account on their Androids, and the POP support of Android blows too.

What about REAL Outlook in Microsoft Office? That is not some crap, junk, garbage in the cloud email designed solely for the purpose of spying on you and anyone you correspond with (like GMail and Yahoo do). Real Outlook is an email client that resides on your computer. That is what I want. I know young people spit on privacy but I value it and, luckily, I won't be around when that spitting on privacy that is in vogue now comes back BIG TIME to turn everyone in the USA into slaves.

As for RR webmail, besides having to log into 6 accounts repeatedly every day, there is no way to do list servs or News Groups. I need an email client that isn't some crappy webmail thing with no abilities! I have a COMPUTER. Most of you guys hate computers and don't want to utilize them! You want a toaster that accesses the internet.
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OSUGoose

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reply to Mele20
Gee that's how every business does it, they don't have one master login to the work computer that all the employees share and then "switch" identities in Outlook. No each user logs in separately, and boom has their own email access. Reality is your resistant to change and thus are tossing a hissy fit despite myself and others telling you there are workarounds that work better.
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reply to catbrat90

Re: Windows 8 Mail Issue Road Runner

I would not be surprised if the next version of Windows only does Hotmail/Windows Live Email in the "free client" [excluding even IMAP].. Microsoft is tryin HARD to get everyone to "cloud" with them and use 'their' services.. heck when setting up windows 8 it tries to associate your "Computer Login" with a "live.com" account.

videonex

join:2001-07-22
reply to catbrat90
My TWC mail server does support IMAP. I can't find it listed in their documentation, but it's there. For roadrunner.com addys the server was usually pop-server.roadrunner.com. For IMAP simply change first part to imap-server. Works fine for me. Collecting 3 different roadrunner addys on 4 different devices including 2 W8 machines and an Android phone.


dcurrey
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reply to catbrat90
I was looking at Outlook.com and it only has pop3. No Imap, guess they think EAS is what everybody needs.