| [WIN8] Windows 8 - best to pass it up: review Read more: http:/ I've made a lot of computer blunders over the years. The biggest was taking a perfectly well-functioning Sony Vaio and upgrading it from Windows XP to Windows Vista, which left it so crash-prone as to be all but useless.
So please believe me when I offer this word of advice on installing Microsoft's shiny new Windows 8 operating system:
Don't.
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| Re: [WIN8] Windows 8 - best to pass it up: review Read more: ht One person's opinion. I have Win 8 Pro., do I love it, not yet.
I have not had a single issue with it crashing though. XP and Vista, how many years ago were they? A lot has changed in OS's since then.
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| Not only that, but I run Vista x86 as my primary HTPC (PVR, downloads, remote streaming, etc) on a mere 3GB and the box just rocks. I only reboot as needed for updates, otherwise, that monster is up 7x24, zero issues. I think Vista got a bad rap early on but for me at least, it has proven to be a worthy OS.
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So the dude is bitching about his faulty upgrade? Sorry - all OS will have problems with upgrading. Crappy useless article. |
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| I don't think it is crappy and useless and I especially agree with the sentiment expressed that most people don't need to upgrade from Windows 7. That said, I think the author leaves out a lot of positives about Windows 8 including the new features, so basically the article is useless for anyone whose skills go beyond the casual user level. For a casual user, I would agree though that upgrading a perfectly healthy Windows 7 system may not be in their best interest. |
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| Yep I agree that upgrading from Windows XP/Vista/7 to Windows 8 aren't in their best interest. I do not (never did in my entire 15 years of repairing computers) recommend upgrading any OS to newer version. Only a clean install works best. It's the best way of enjoying the new OS.
But most of his article is focused on his upgrade problems and it shouldn't be portray "Windows 8 is bad".
Using Windows 8 is exactly the same method as using Windows 7. You move mouse to lower left corner in Windows 8, just like Windows 7. You click, start screen shows up, just like Windows 7's start menu. You click a desktop application on start screen, to run the application, just like Windows 7. Only different is the start screen vs start menu. And I understand the "shock" of it.
It's the perception of "throwing to metro-land" and "throwing back to desktop land". Yes it's shocking at first but now I'm used to it, it's nothing. It's the perception that you MUST use Windows 8 Apps on Windows 8 when you can use your old Windows software that you used on Windows 7 on Windows 8 perfectly fine. |
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But most of his article is focused on his upgrade problems and it shouldn't be portray "Windows 8 is bad".
Only in part. The bottom of the article dislikes Windows 8 in general. |
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Plain and simple. If anyone has 7. No rush for 8 atm. Give it 6 months to a year and see what happens. No surprise with install problem with that particular HP machine. If you had read HP stance on older machines. Any pc purchased between Oct. 1 2011 and after. They will offer driver support. You was sol from the start. I have a newer Phoenix from them bought in Feb. 2012. It came with 7. I upgraded to 8 in 10-15 minutes with HP drivers installed. My system came with a ssd. I have had zero trouble with 8 crashing or running. It runs smooth, and faster then 7. Same with boot times. And that is with disabling the cheat system they use for booting in 8. I use high performance power plan. And deleted the hibernation file. |
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One should always be careful about electing to upgrade to a major, new (in terms of functionality or UI) OS on a system that is several years old or more. Over the years, I've found the most consistently surest, safest path is to migrate to a new OS when moving to a completely brand-new system. Certainly those who are skilled in wringing out bugs or are expert with the ins and outs of a new OS and its installation/tweaking can upgrade an OS successfully - but it's all too often not to be entered into lightly by folks with lesser skills. The older your system hardware, protocols, and drivers, the more likely you'll come to regret a major OS upgrade decision...
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But most of his article is focused on his upgrade problems and it shouldn't be portray "Windows 8 is bad".
Only in part. The bottom of the article dislikes Windows 8 in general. Vaguely...... |
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said by Blackbird:One should always be careful about electing to upgrade to a major, new (in terms of functionality or UI) OS on a system that is several years old or more. Over the years, I've found the most consistently surest, safest path is to migrate to a new OS when moving to a completely brand-new system. Certainly those who are skilled in wringing out bugs or are expert with the ins and outs of a new OS and its installation/tweaking can upgrade an OS successfully - but it's all too often not to be entered into lightly by folks with lesser skills. The older your system hardware, protocols, and drivers, the more likely you'll come to regret a major OS upgrade decision...
One nice thing about the release preview is that it allowed people to test and play with things and see how it works out before actually having to commit to buying it. I used both pre-releases myself and so had a pretty good idea that everything would work out fine if indeed I decided to buy 8 when it was released. The preview is a very nice thing to have.... |
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Vaguely? How about almost half the article starting with the title "Touch Screens"?
1) it's clear the interface is really for users with touch-screens.
2) the millions of individuals and businesses with older, mouse-driven systems - and even many with laptops that have a touch pad but no touch-screen - may find themselves needing to memorize keyboard shortcuts for many common tasks, a throwback to earlier days of computing.
3) While there's still a Windows 7-like desktop, it's been demoted
4) it's clumsy for users of more traditional PCs, who will have to learn just where to move the cursor on the screen to bring up the charms.
5) there's no option to boot directly into the desktop environment, or restore the Start menu. And, adding to the sense of confusion, Windows 8 has two separate versions of the Internet Explorer web browser
6) if you don't already have something close to the latest and greatest PC and you're reasonably happy with Windows 7, my guidance is simple:
Skip it.
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Speaking of that lower left corner... any way to change that in the release version? I've moved the taskbar up to the top ever since Win95...
Also, yeah, upgrading to 8 to take advantage of the $40 upgrade offer. For sure. XP's age really hit home today--can't use all of my 3TB drive.
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Refusing to consider an upgrade to Win8 from Win7 because of an experience with Vista is illogical, the exception is not the rule.
Most casual users get a new OS when they buy a new PC, and wouldn't be comfortable executing an upgrade from Win7 anyway, so they'll all get Win8 or its successor at some point. The tiled interface isn't going away, any more than tablets are. Integrated and uniform OSs are the future, MS is simply ahead of the curve.
Also, most casual users don't use the Start menu, almost all app access is from desktop icons or browser links. All desktop icons and a few system links are viewable in a Win7 Start Menu style interface by adding the desktop toolbar to the taskbar in Win8, and/or right clicking the mini Start screen in the bottom left corner of the desktop (or the Start screen if Desktop is not running).
BTW I've just gone back to IE as the default browser after a few years with Chrome. Both the desktop and Start screen versions of IE10 load faster than Chrome and render pages faster too. Plus those IE10 optimized sites like msn.com are far easier on the eyes than what you get with IE9 or other browsers. |
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1 edit | said by digitalfutur:BTW I've just gone back to IE as the default browser after a few years with Chrome. Both the desktop and Start screen versions of IE10 load faster than Chrome and render pages faster too. But it cannot render pages created with current modern standards and practices like any other browser can. »html5test.com/compare/browser/ie···e22.html
In addition, while the other browsers get upgraded every 6-8 weeks, IE10 will receive no technical upgrades for at least a year.
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Plus those IE10 optimized sites like msn.com are far easier on the eyes than what you get with IE9 or other browsers.
If MSN.com is being built to work better with IE10 than any other browser, that flies in the face of what they are saying and is detrimental to half the world that doesn't use IE and even fewer who use IE10. |
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kudos:2 | said by howardfine:If MSN.com is being built to work better with IE10 than any other browser, that flies in the face of what they are saying and is detrimental to half the world that doesn't use IE and even fewer who use IE10.
I agree. If you are designing a web page, would it not be a good idea to make the page viewable by as many people as possible, and not code it to only run on a specific browser?
However, in the case of MSN, I think there is actually 2 versions.
I'm on Windows 7 now, and when I go to www.msn.com, its just like it used to be (no tile interface). However, when I had Windows 8 running, the URL that was being used by IE10 (both in desktop mode, and in Metro) was something different. I don't remember exactly, but I thought I saw a T in the URL somewhere (T indicating tablet, or tabs).
If you happen to have that URL, what happens if you go there in a non IE10 browser? Like in IE9 running on Windows 7, or Firefox/Waterfox/Palemoon on Windows 7?
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Rich Jaroslovsky - guy loves Apple. Loved the mini.
Anyway, yeah, for an old, non-touch PC, the upgrade to 8 from 7 has, um, about $40 of value. Like going from Lion to Mtn Lion on a Mac.
No reason to NOT do it, but limited value over anything with touch.
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said by howardfine:Vaguely? How about almost half the article starting with the title "Touch Screens"?
1) it's clear the interface is really for users with touch-screens.
2) the millions of individuals and businesses with older, mouse-driven systems - and even many with laptops that have a touch pad but no touch-screen - may find themselves needing to memorize keyboard shortcuts for many common tasks, a throwback to earlier days of computing.
3) While there's still a Windows 7-like desktop, it's been demoted
4) it's clumsy for users of more traditional PCs, who will have to learn just where to move the cursor on the screen to bring up the charms.
5) there's no option to boot directly into the desktop environment, or restore the Start menu. And, adding to the sense of confusion, Windows 8 has two separate versions of the Internet Explorer web browser
6) if you don't already have something close to the latest and greatest PC and you're reasonably happy with Windows 7, my guidance is simple:
Skip it.
How is this "vague"?
1) Interface works fine with keyboard/mouse.
2) No they won't. All of them wants to click an icon on the desktop or taskbar. They can just hit WIN key to bring up the start screen. It's not hard. Seriously.
3) No it hasn't. Desktop works BETTER in Windows 8 than Windows 7.
4) Using the little start menu is clunky to me. Only time I use the charm is when I want to shutdown/restart the computer and it's really rare when I want to do that. Or the metro apps setting that I rarely use on my desktop.
5) Who cares? JUST CLICK THE DESKTOP TILE!
6) I upgraded an 80 year old grandpa's Windows 7 laptop to 8. He loves it. Of course I trained him how to use it, he was frustrated with Windows 7 and have no idea how to work the start menu.
7) You heard all these complaints elsewhere - these complaints are vague in that article. |
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I've played a little bit with Window 8 as a guest on my main Windows 7 desktop. It was ok, but just not my cup of tea.
So I thought, why not install it on an old desktop that I keep in my TV room? Well, downloaded the upgrade adviser and it told me it wouldn't install as my CPU isn't up to snuff on that PC.
So for now, in my house, no Windows 8. I'm sure if I was to build a new computer or buy a laptop I'd make sure it had Windows 8 and a touch screen. Though I just can't see myself stretching across my desk to reach the screen to make selections. Seems so inefficient. On a laptop probably a little better. Of course on a tablet it would be best of all.
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